WonderCon: The Ruckaning

[hippie_hunter]

Huh? There's several posters who dislike Hal without being a Kyle fanatic. You just seem to think that anyone who dislikes Hal and like Kyle is automatically a 'Kyle fanatic'.

No I'm serious, asides from Mystirious, I can't recall a single person going off calling Hal boring without bringing up how he replaced the "superior" Kyle (and how he gets constantly screwed over despite being excellently written by Tomasi).

 

[Tron Bonne]

Sure Batwoman is the big news involving Rucka at the moment but they announced that he's working on a project with Williams described as Blade Runner meets Blake 7.

I want this. Now

 

[Mystirious]

Yes that one. I don't like her.

Why not? She was cool

Oh lord, I can't stop making unintentional lame puns today

Yes. Yes she was.

I just find her so dull, boring, generic, and token with a crappy power set and she just completely wastes space in the Justice League that could be given to better characters like Aquaman.

Well she is pretty generic I suppose. But I find many, many characters are that way. I suppose I've built up a tolerance to it.

Nope

You know you're making the baby Jesus cry with those terrible untruths

I'm willing to wait, I want a Batwoman book done right. Not a Batwoman book put out just for the sake of being put out. That would kill an excellent character IMO.

I want a good book as well. But I don't see why I should have to wait. I've waited long enough. I've given DC plenty of my damn money. I even bought their godwful Countdown series. They OWE me. They owe the fans. And I am NOT going to stand for them screwng us over AGAIN.

A Hal hater that doesn't result to made up arguments of how Kyle is constantly getting screwed over? My mind has been blown

Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen a person complain about "boring" Hal Jordan without being a Kyle fanatic

See what happens when you make snap judgements?

No I've never been a fan of any of the Green Lantern's really. But Hal has earned extra hatred because I find him to be as interesting as watching paint dry and because he's written by a writer who's entire output I have found less interesting than watching paint dry.

 

[Mystirious]

LOL

You see? I am not just a Batwoman fangirl full of rage and hatred. I can occasionally be moderately amusing too.

Bendis' problem is that he strays into genres that he's not the best at. His works on Daredevil, Alias/the Pulse, and early issues of Ultimate Spider-Man are great. But when he goes into more traditional superheroic territory (Avengers, forcing Spider-Woman down our throats) the results vary.

His traditional superhero books are more like great ideas, flawed execution (at best).

I've not read Alias so I won't comment on that. But yes, this is more or less my view though my opinions of Bendis are somewhat more extreme.

 

[Tron Bonne]

No I'm serious, asides from Mystirious, I can't recall a single person going off calling Hal boring without bringing up how he replaced the "superior" Kyle (and how he gets constantly screwed over despite being excellently written by Tomasi).

You need to get better recall, because it's actually happened just today in the BN thread, and multiple times in the past. I never understood why just preferring Kyle to Hal seems to automatically flash 'fanaticism' to you, but whatever. I can agree with the getting screwed part, since I don't think it happens much now. Not denying there's not fanaticism for the character, there is, but thinking Hal is boring and liking Kyle more does not fanaticism equal. And it's not like you don't always have some reverse Hal fanatic whose like 'Oh, so you like the stupid artist, har har' whenever there's Kyle fanaticism, so it seems like it's all balanced out to me.

 

[Mystirious]

I like to imagine the Hal versus Kyle group having vicious street fights, in the style of the News Teams from Ron Burgundy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I like to imagine the Hal versus Kyle group having vicious street fights, in the style of the News Teams from Ron Burgundy.

I would pay money to see this

You need to get better recall, because it's actually happened just today in the BN thread, and multiple times in the past. I never understood why just preferring Kyle to Hal seems to automatically flash 'fanaticism' to you, but whatever.

Because the vast majority of arguments I've seen are fanatical.

I can agree with the getting screwed part, since I don't think it happens much now. Not denying there's not fanaticism for the character, there is, but thinking Hal is boring and liking Kyle more does not fanaticism equal. And it's not like you don't always have some reverse Hal fanatic whose like 'Oh, so you like the stupid artist, har har' whenever there's Kyle fanaticism, so it seems like it's all balanced out to me.

Hal fans are pretty bad too, H.E.A.T. is the prime example of this. But at least they had a reason to get mad. Their favorite hero got turned into a villain and it took Final Night to redeem him.....somewhat.

Kyle fans just make **** up and have the biggest overreactions I've ever seen (i.e. his death in Blackest Night) .

 

[Mystirious]

I would pay money to see this

Did I see you throwing a trident at somone?

Hal fans are pretty bad too, H.E.A.T. is the prime example of this. But at least they had a reason to get mad. Their favorite hero got turned into a villain and it took Final Night to redeem him.....somewhat.

My only knowledge of this dark chapter of internet history comes from second hand reports but is true that at one point there was some long running arguement about whether or not Hal Jordan was an outer space pedophile? And that one of the original writers of Green Lantern was dragged into it?

 

[hippie_hunter]

H.E.A.T. was around before the Internet. They took out full page ads in Wizard Magazine from what I've heard.

 

[Mystirious]

H.E.A.T. was around before the Internet. They took out full page ads in Wizard Magazine from what I've heard.

Lord have mercy

 

[Tron Bonne]

Because the vast majority of arguments I've seen are fanatical.


Hal fans are pretty bad too, H.E.A.T. is the prime example of this. But at least they had a reason to get mad. Their favorite hero got turned into a villain and it took Final Night to redeem him.....somewhat.

Kyle fans just make **** up and have the biggest overreactions I've ever seen (i.e. his death in Blackest Night) .

Yeah, I also bet it was fanatically on both sides, eh? As I said, there is fanaticism, but pretty much every time you bring it up it boils down to 'if you don't like Hal, and you like Kyle, you're a fanatic' or something like that. Sure, the BN thing was pretty crazy, but I disagree that Kyle fans never had anything to complain about. Lots of the stuff post-Rebirth were crappy for the character, and he was a big lead in Countdown from what I hear (which is a horrible fate for anyone). Even now that he's found a good place in GLC, he's still minimized in the overall DCU. He's probably never be the GL on the JLA, and probably won't go past his niche in the GL mythos (So, yeah, kind of sucks that the big Seven I knew will probably not see revival). But, whatever, I'm not going to bother getting into this with you again. Probably should've just left it alone to begin with, but I always find it an odd claim and assumption

 

[CConn]

I gotta say, Mystirious ruined this thread. The first post was probably raised probably the most interesting points about Wonder Woman I've heard in a long time, but instead of talking, debating, and learning more about that, this all devolved into a venomous, obscenity laced temper-tantrum against Geoff Johns.

Thanks a lot guys.

 

[BrianWilly]

Back from second day! All hells of tired, met Adam Baldwin again ('cause wouldn't you?), got a picture this time, best ten bux ever spent. Also got the Manimal DVD! It was the very first English show I ever watched. I am an old man.

So I'm just gonna try to add stuff that you wouldn't find on those newsarama transcripts.

The biggest thing that comes to mind is that they put a whole, very, huge, ****ing lot of emphasis on the fact that Star City is playing a big role in Brightest Day. I mean, over the course of two panels I'd say it was mentioned upwards of six or seven times. The message was pretty clear: Star City is going to be important, stay tuned to Green Arrow, everything about it changes, I think Johns even said at one point it was going to be the single most important city in the DCU during Brightest Day. It will appear in Brightest Day #0 (which will be 50 pages). Johns said the script for GA #1 is one of he best he's read. Robinson compared Star City to Gotham and Metropolis. Tone is compared to the Grell era. And yet no one will even hint at a single tiny hint as to what is going to actually happen with it.

It sounds -- to me personally from my bias -- like they were really trying to cover their tracks from Cry For Justice. It might just be my wishful thinking, of course. I definitely don't get the sense that they're, like, going to pull a total 180 from the events of CFJ, but there was this odd little feeling of them maybe trying a bit too hard to make people give a ****.

My guess is that the place where the White Lantern landed, that we saw at the end of Blackest Night, is actually Star City. And the hubbub speculation that I'm hearing from around forums is that Star City is going to turn into a sort of forest city, with Green Arrow as its Robin Hood-like protector. I suppose they're getting that mostly from the cover but, y'know what? After sitting through these panels, I'm starting to get that impression as well. The solicits describe it as "miraculous." The entire panel of DC writers couldn't stop hinting at something big happening to the place.

So let's suppose the White Lantern lands in Star City and, well, turns it into some crazy Life World or whatever. Massive trees, wildlife, the whole nine yards. Maybe...bring some folks back from the dead? Now I'm definitely in wishful thinking mode.

Fyi on that topic, I doubt being married to Dinah is going to last much longer. Ian Sattler more or less confirmed it, though I can't remember his exact words.

Johns also couldn't stop teasing at an upcoming fight between, um, Dex-Star and Lobo's dog. And also Dex-Star and Krypto.

No Cassandra Cain in the foreseeable future. Sattler's exact words were that there were "plans, but no action."

There was lots and lots and lots of love for Birds of Prey coming back. Like, every single time it was mentioned there were cheers. I think DC got the message.

Jade is going to play the "Green Lantern" role in Robinson's JLA. Um, isn't Hal already the Green Lantern in it? Just in case you guys thought JLA was going to become better or something. Arrg, damn, Kyle's gonna appear in those Jade issues, though, so I'm gonna have to at least peruse them.

Ted is definitively not coming back. Jaime is going to be in JLI. Written by Giffen and Winick...well, at least it ain't Teen Titans! Nah I actually think JLI sounds really cool at this point. Winick also said the cast was going to be expanding beyond that as well, which leads me to speculate...Martian Manhunter perhaps? It'd make the most sense considering what they're up against.

The Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors book starts in August. I think Johns referred to it fairly specifically as "[Guy's] own series," and that there will be a very specific reason it exists.

For anyone who cares what I myself asked:

Question for Miller: What's it like working with the character of Barbara Gordon? Miller said he was originally writing the character in a "very moody place," but enjoyed trying to "get her out of the funk." "It's great to write her, she'll still be in Batgirl to an extent," Miller added, but said that mostly she'll be in Birds of Prey.

Simone: "I'm very excited to write Barbara Gordon again. She's in a much more prominent position than she's ever been before. Now she's basically the 911 operator for the entire DCU."

Batgirl/Birds of Prey crossover? Miller: "We can talk about that later."

Yeah, these were all mine.

"When is Superman going to get a Blue Lantern ring?" Johns: "Maybe someday?"

This was me. Newsarama made him sound much more confirmatory than he actually did, though. His actual words were, and I **** you not, "He's not, Barry Allen got it." After a bunch of awwwws from people (including me), he said maybe someday.

I think that's about it. Jim Lee is so short.

 

[Mystirious]

Back from second day! All hells of tired, met Adam Baldwin again ('cause wouldn't you?), got a picture this time, best ten bux ever spent. Also got the Manimal DVD! It was the very first English show I ever watched. I am an old man.

So I'm just gonna try to add stuff that you wouldn't find on those newsarama transcripts.

The biggest thing that comes to mind is that they put a whole, very, huge, ****ing lot of emphasis on the fact that Star City is playing a big role in Brightest Day. I mean, over the course of two panels I'd say it was mentioned upwards of six or seven times. The message was pretty clear: Star City is going to be important, stay tuned to Green Arrow, everything about it changes, I think Johns even said at one point it was going to be the single most important city in the DCU during Brightest Day. It will appear in Brightest Day #0 (which will be 50 pages). Johns said the script for GA #1 is one of he best he's read. Robinson compared Star City to Gotham and Metropolis. Tone is compared to the Grell era. And yet no one will even hint at a single tiny hint as to what is going to actually happen with it.

It sounds -- to me personally from my bias -- like they were really trying to cover their tracks from Cry For Justice. It might just be my wishful thinking, of course. I definitely don't get the sense that they're, like, going to pull a total 180 from the events of CFJ, but there was this odd little feeling of them maybe trying a bit too hard to make people give a ****.

My guess is that the place where the White Lantern landed, that we saw at the end of Blackest Night, is actually Star City. And the hubbub speculation that I'm hearing from around forums is that Star City is going to turn into a sort of forest city, with Green Arrow as its Robin Hood-like protector. I suppose they're getting that mostly from the cover but, y'know what? After sitting through these panels, I'm starting to get that impression as well. The solicits describe it as "miraculous." The entire panel of DC writers couldn't stop hinting at something big happening to the place.

So let's suppose the White Lantern lands in Star City and, well, turns it into some crazy Life World or whatever. Massive trees, wildlife, the whole nine yards. Maybe...bring some folks back from the dead? Now I'm definitely in wishful thinking mode.

Fyi on that topic, I doubt being married to Dinah is going to last much longer. Ian Sattler more or less confirmed it, though I can't remember his exact words.

Johns also couldn't stop teasing at an upcoming fight between, um, Dex-Star and Lobo's dog. And also Dex-Star and Krypto.

No Cassandra Cain in the foreseeable future. Sattler's exact words were that there were "plans, but no action."

There was lots and lots and lots of love for Birds of Prey coming back. Like, every single time it was mentioned there were cheers. I think DC got the message.

Jade is going to play the "Green Lantern" role in Robinson's JLA. Um, isn't Hal already the Green Lantern in it? Just in case you guys thought JLA was going to become better or something. Arrg, damn, Kyle's gonna appear in those Jade issues, though, so I'm gonna have to at least peruse them.

Ted is definitively not coming back. Jaime is going to be in JLI. Written by Giffen and Winick...well, at least it ain't Teen Titans! Nah I actually think JLI sounds really cool at this point. Winick also said the cast was going to be expanding beyond that as well, which leads me to speculate...Martian Manhunter perhaps? It'd make the most sense considering what they're up against.

The Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors book starts in August. I think Johns referred to it fairly specifically as "[Guy's] own series," and that there will be a very specific reason it exists.

For anyone who cares what I myself asked:Yeah, these were all mine.

This was me. Newsarama made him sound much more confirmatory than he actually did, though. His actual words were, and I **** you not, "He's not, Barry Allen got it." After a bunch of awwwws from people (including me), he said maybe someday.

I think that's about it. Jim Lee is so short.

Funny that for an event called Brightest Day the news from DC has varied from bad to appalingly tedious.

So more Green Arrow nonsense. More Green Lantern playing a central role in the DCU. Wonderful

And Robinson is remaining on JLA. So that will still be dreck for the forseeable future.

I gotta say, Mystirious ruined this thread. The first post was probably raised probably the most interesting points about Wonder Woman I've heard in a long time, but instead of talking, debating, and learning more about that, this all devolved into a venomous, obscenity laced temper-tantrum against Geoff Johns.

Thanks a lot guys.

My pleasure

 

[Tron Bonne]

No Cassandra Cain in the foreseeable future. Sattler's exact words were that there were "plans, but no action."

I should be surprised or anything, but it's always disappointing to hear. Looks like we've more or less lost that character.

Jade is going to play the "Green Lantern" role in Robinson's JLA. Um, isn't Hal already the Green Lantern in it? Just in case you guys thought JLA was going to become better or something. Arrg, damn, Kyle's gonna appear in those Jade issues, though, so I'm gonna have to at least peruse them.

Wha..

Ted is definitively not coming back. Jaime is going to be in JLI. Written by Giffen and Winick...well, at least it ain't Teen Titans! Nah I actually think JLI sounds really cool at this point. Winick also said the cast was going to be expanding beyond that as well, which leads me to speculate...Martian Manhunter perhaps? It'd make the most sense considering what they're up against.

I hope so, that would be great. I doubt he'll get his own series or anything now that he's officially back, so that'd be a nice spot for him if JLI can hold on

 

[Drz]

Anything happening today? Or is Easter meaning no Wonder Con news? But if there are, can someone tell in how many hours? Please no direct time. I really suck at timezones. :/

 

[Mystirious]

I should be surprised or anything, but it's always disappointing to hear. Looks like we've more or less lost that character.

Every time I see Steph in that Batgirl costume a single tear marches down my cheek

 

[fifthfiend]

I gotta say, Mystirious ruined this thread. The first post was probably raised probably the most interesting points about Wonder Woman I've heard in a long time, but instead of talking, debating, and learning more about that, this all devolved into a venomous, obscenity laced temper-tantrum against Geoff Johns.

Thanks a lot guys.

If anyone knows about ruining threads, it's CConn.

 

[fifthfiend]

But no really guys you need to stop talking about whatever it was you wanted to talk about and start talking the real topic of this thread, which is Adam Baldwin's radiant masculinity and perfect, perfect skin.

 

[Mystirious]

If anyone knows about ruining threads, it's CConn.

Someone get CConn some ice for that BURN

 

[BrianWilly]

Anything happening today? Or is Easter meaning no Wonder Con news? But if there are, can someone tell in how many hours? Please no direct time. I really suck at timezones. :/

Stuff's happening, but I'm not going 'cause I'm all fanboy'd out. I don't think I'm missing much, the only DC-related things are spotlights on Judd Winick and James Robinson respectively.

Something else about the 'con is that there was a lot of focus on comics going digital in the future, and how the creators felt about that. There was no real resistance, though several felt like there's no replacing the feel of the "floppies." Jim Lee talked about the iPad and stuff.

DiDio himself only showed up on Friday, surprisingly. Perhaps it makes sense that he doesn't need to be at everything anymore considering that Lee and Johns are kind of his copilots at this point, or maybe he's just sick of all this ****.

Oooh, and for those of you who care enough to want to hear the entire Greg Rucka interview, comicsalliance has audio of it up, and will have a transcript later.

At one point Rucka mentions he's probably the only person who likes pulp and has watched Sky Captain, but then notices someone else raised their hand, and that someone else was me. And now you know.

 

[Mystirious]

Stuff's happening, but I'm not going 'cause I'm all fanboy'd out. I don't think I'm missing much, the only DC-related things are spotlights on Judd Winick and James Robinson respectively.

Yes, it seems unlikely anything important will be happening there.

DiDio himself only showed up on Friday, surprisingly. Perhaps it makes sense that he doesn't need to be at everything anymore considering that Lee and Johns are kind of his copilots at this point, or maybe he's just sick of all this ****.

It gets very tiring following Geoff Johns around crouched over and kissing his a**. Didio needs to rest his aching back

Oooh, and for those of you who care enough to want to hear the entire Greg Rucka interview, comicsalliance has audio of it up, and will have a transcript later.

At one point Rucka mentions he's probably the only person who likes pulp and has watched Sky Captain, but then notices someone else raised their hand, and that someone else was me. And now you know.

You're famous

 

[Kurosawa]

I've always had mixed feelings towards Johns. For all his "Silver Age fanboy" rep, he writes comics that are WAY to gory and brutal for my tastes. And every word that came out of Superboy-Prime's mouth was a (not even thinly) veiled slam on Pre-Crisis fans like me. At the same time he brought back a Multiverse, putting most classic material back in continuity at least in spirit. And I do like Hal fine, at least Pre-Crisis Hal, although I like Alan best. He's been good for the JSA mostly, and I love a lot of his Hawkman stuff.

He does stuff I love and stuff I hate, often on the same page. I'd love to have editorial control over his writing and fix his many flaws. And he's not the continuity expert people think he is. He had Jimenez draw the Daily Star building wrong, he had Perry White as Star editor, had Golden Age Luthor bald, and had Kal-L's headquarters as the Earth-One Fortress of Solitude in the arctic with the giant key instead of the Secret Citadel hidden in the mountains. I mean...just pathetic considering he's hyped as some sort of continuity expert. Laughable, really.

 

[CConn]

If anyone knows about ruining threads, it's CConn.

But I do it with some panache.

 

[Eros]

No I'm serious, asides from Mystirious, I can't recall a single person going off calling Hal boring without bringing up how he replaced the "superior" Kyle (and how he gets constantly screwed over despite being excellently written by Tomasi).

Kyle is not "superior" just his fans are his fans, just like Hals older fans are his fans. I prefer Kyle, simply because I find him more interesting overall and much more relatable. Hal is fine, but I just dont like him as much as I like Kyle, No big whoop.