World War 3...

[AnimeJune]

Can't we all just be satisfied with our Dwight Schrute bobbleheads and get along?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Guys who beat their wives don't use big words like "precedent" and "consequences".

jag

Oh ho ho yes they do.
An especially repugnant sub-breed...the "Post-Modern Hipster, intellectual grad-student who feels powerless in life and sexually inadequate" Wife Beater.

 

[C. Lee]

It's worth laughing at if it's done over a bobblehead.
That's for sure.

I don't quite think the orphaned and widowed will see it the same way.

That's a graphic representation of how digusted I am with this "It's the abused woman's fault, not the wife beater's" - Notion.

Considering that you made it after quoting me....I would like to know where exactly I made that ananlogy.

 

[Killgore]

Wilhelm is this site's greatest proponent of free-speech. That's why he'll never be mod.

 

[Killgore]

I don't quite think the orphaned and widowed will see it the same way.

Hopefully the orphaned and widowed have enough sense to realize that the person who pulled the trigger is to blame for their loved ones death, not the guy who made a friggin' toy.

 

[Killgore]

Funny, I pictured him taller.

 

[C. Lee]

Hopefully the orphaned and widowed have enough sense to realize that the person who pulled the trigger is to blame for their loved ones death, not the guy who made a friggin' toy.

That wasn't the point of our exchange...it was that Revolver said he would laugh about people dieing....which isn't a laughing matter.

 

[AnimeJune]

Hopefully the orphaned and widowed have enough sense to realize that the person who pulled the trigger is to blame for their loved ones death, not the guy who made a friggin' toy.

I dunno, these days, some people see free speech as just an excuse to act like an A-hole and bash the people who disagree with you.

I think free speech is integral to society, but I have the right to believe this ex-marine is a moron who is intentionally provoking people.

 

[Revolver_Ocelot]

I meant that I would laugh if these wacko's flip again.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Considering that you made it after quoting me....I would like to know where exactly I made that ananlogy.

You didn't.
I did.
To say, "Yeah, it may be insane how they fly off the handle and kill people over cartoons, but since we know they're apt to do that, if you still draw a cartoon, it's your fault when people die."....reminds me of, the wife-beating scenario I posted.

It also reminds me of, say there's another Columbine, and some picked-on nerds decide to take revenge.

Yes, tormenting them is wrong, and yes, in this day and age, we all know that there are some put upon nerds who are capable of causing mass, retaliatory bloodshed at their schools, but sorry, there's 1) "Turn the other cheek.", 2) "An Eye For An Eye...", and 3) "Psycho-Bastard Insane-head inhuman freak."

Just because you know a psycho will go into a murderous rage if he sees the color Blue, it's not a good reason to stop painting things Blue.

 

[C. Lee]

Just because you know a psycho will go into a murderous rage if he sees the color Blue, it's not a good reason to stop painting things Blue.

And what I was saying was....the artist shouldn't stop painting the color blue.....but he shouldn't throw his blue canvas in front of the psycho and say "You shouldn't be affected by this."

 

[Darthphere]

I dunno, these days, some people see free speech as just an excuse to act like an A-hole and bash the people who disagree with you.

I think free speech is integral to society, but I have the right to believe this ex-marine is a moron who is intentionally provoking people.

Free speech is tricky. Under the rule of obscenity, many things arent protected under the First Amendment, though this really would be Freedom of Expression. Pretty much, under law, nothing can be done about this except boycotting such a product or finding ways to pressure him to stop manufacturing this product. And as such, hes shown that hes an ******* that thinks his product is "clever" and sole purpose is too piss off some muslims, that probably wont happen.

 

[AnimeJune]

And what I was saying was....the artist shouldn't stop painting the color blue.....but he shouldn't throw his blue canvas in front of the psycho and say "You shouldn't be affected by this."

I agree. This guy isn't making these toys out of the goodness of his heart. He's making them to provoke. He has the right to do that, but we have the right to condemn him for being a jackwad.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

The guy is stupid and pathetic.

Sure, you can say that they should "get over it" and not get upset.....but if you know it will cause someone to kill someone else (and recent news events shows that it definately has that possibility)....then you are guilty of inciting violence.

well, he wants to make a point, a very stupid point, but a poitn nonetheless.
it does strike me as odd that he says something about knowing Muslims and this not being about Islam.
he is capitalizing on the current hate for Islam all around the world. that's sad.
because it's moslty fueled by ignorance.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

It's worth laughing at if it's done over a bobblehead.
That's for sure.

no death is ever "worth laughing" over.

except when clowns die.
because that's just funny.

 

[AnimeJune]

well, he wants to make a point, a very stupid point, but a poitn nonetheless.
it does strike me as odd that he says something about knowing Muslims and this not being about Islam.
he is capitalizing on the current hate for Islam all around the world. that's sad.
because it's moslty fueled by ignorance.

Yeah. I mean, I think there are societal limits to free speech. Look at the "fire" excuse. Free speech is in effect, but you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre - you will be blamed for it.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

no death is ever "worth laughing" over.

incorrect

 

[Mr Sparkle]

incorrect

HA! (though I did include clowns )

 

[The Lizard]

I found the concept of a football-playing Jesus offensive enough, since pro sports bores me too tears.

Some mod needs to change the title of this thread to "Bobble-head doll offends Muslims" or somehing a bit more clear.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yeah. I mean, I think there are societal limits to free speech. Look at the "fire" excuse. Free speech is in effect, but you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theatre - you will be blamed for it.

I don't even agree with the "Fire" rule.
I've been in a theater where some ignoramous yelled "Fire!".
Everyone knew there was no fire.

You could say the same thing about Orson Welle's production of War of the Worlds. By making it sound exactly like a real radio broadcast, knowing that society had a mindless trust in anything the radio "authority figure" told them, Orson was "yelling, 'FIRE!'" in the crowded theater of America's radio-listening public.

meh, people need to realize the cosmic truth, that WE are responsible for OUR actions.

One kid is molested and beaten his whole life. He grows up to be a rapist.
Well, "He came from an abusive home environment.".

Another kid is molested and beaten his whole life, and grows up vowing to never, ever be like his abusive parents. Grows up to be an educated, loving father and husband.

I've seen both scenarios play out in real life.
All four parents can not be responsible for both outcomes.

 

[AnimeJune]

I found the concept of a football-playing Jesus offensive enough, since pro sports bores me too tears.

Some mod needs to change the title of this thread to "Bobble-head doll offends Muslims" or somehing a bit more clear.

I'm Catholic, and I have nothing against comical representations of Jesus. I tend to think Jesus, as a liberal Jew, probably has a great sense of humour.

As the dudes at Penny Arcade say, "Jesus is f'n metal!"

 

[jaguarr]

If any of you a-holes paints a blue painting.....I'll kill ya!

jag

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Yep.
It's just like with musical self-expression.

If Judas Priest, Ozzy Osbourne or Marilyn Manson write an irreverent song where they encourage kids to commit suicide or to worship Satan...they should know that of course, as unfair as it is, there ARE depressed, disturbed teens out there who will actually be influenced by their violent, blasphemous words and images...so if they produce art, even as a joke, or to point out how ridiculous the world is, they're still culpable if someone they've never met is mentally imbalanced and does something wrong in response to their art.

Also, it's a WELL-known, documented fact that some people have read the Bible, taken it's commands to kill witches, homosexuals, disbelievers, etc. literally and committed violent acts, with Biblical teachings as their sole inspiration.

That's why the Bible should be banned. Sure, it's a person's "right" to publish it and read it, but to do so, knowing that it causes violence means that they're responsible when someone over reacts to it's words.

Well there is a distinct difference. When people kill because the Bible, a Dog, or an Ozzy song, they are using that song as an excuse. The song, book or movie is not the "actual reason" the crime was committed.

For example, Catcher in the Rye is notorious for being the catalyst for the John Lenon murder. However, no one holds J.D Salinger responsible.

But, if J.D. Salinger had ended his novel by saying "those who read this must kill a member of the Beatles", he would have been responsible. Because in the book he expressly noted an action which should be taken.

Another example is hate groups like RAW and Church of Humanity. Why is it so hard to arrest these groups for hate crimes, because they use code and secret to send out their lone gunmen. "Nice weather today" typed on a CoH message board (or what have you) could in fact mean "kill the gay family down the street".

Were we to find the intention of that speech was to incite violence he/she would be arrested.

Secondly, let's say you face a "fire" situation.

For example, Mississippi's Governor once at a Football game gave a speech about "loving it's heritedge". The whole speech was essentially to start a riot over James Meredith (a black man) who had enrolled at the school.

Should he have been brought up on charges? (Because he wasn't...other reasons for that).

Let's say you walk through Harlem with an "I hate ni**ers" shirt. Is that free speech? Or is it going out of your way to offend. Hate groups can have rallies, however they cannot have them in places where it would be offensive and disruptive to others.

You can say anything you want to anyone you want, however in this case when you make something public that you know will offend it can be subject to law. And in this case, I feel it should be.

 

[AnimeJune]

If any of you a-holes paints a blue painting.....I'll kill ya!

jag

*lol*
You are aware that the Hype forum format uses blue, like, everywhere, right? t: Blue's my favourite colour.

"I'm blue, da ba dee da ba dai, da ba dee da ba dai, da ba dee da ba dai...."

 

[ShadowBoxing]

meh, people need to realize the cosmic truth, that WE are responsible for OUR actions.

Are we? That seems to be an over simplification.

What about a poor person who has to choose between eating and continuing his education because his parents cannot provide for him. Is he responsible for his lack of education, or did some outside force "choose" for him. That's an example of the cycle of poverty, the notion that several poor families perpetuate poverty for lack of other options.

What about "Hitler youths". The young and impressionable minds of Germany. Did they willingly join Hitler, did they "hate jews" or did Hitler manipulate them into doing so.

I think you'd have an easier time proving "everyone else" in fact shapes your actions and thus bears responsibility, then proving humans shape and are responsible for their own actions.