Days of Future Past Worst moments in 'X-men: First Class'

I didn't like the way Mystique left Xavier. They have grown up together and she showed little emotion before his condition. I know she has been frustrated with him the whole movie, but her leaving in those circumstances seemed very, very cold. She has never been that warm of a person but I really missed something there. They had two amazing actor such as Jennifer Lawrence and James McAvoy. I think they could have done better. Let's hope they treat the subject in the sequel.
 
Brilliant. Since you felt the need to explain step by step the characters motivations I feel I may be wasting my time. Writting "really?" in mocking fashion yet again would have been a better argument.

seeing how you're the one making a ridiculous complaint you're not exactly in the position to be mocking anyone. Really.


You definitely want to cut short the screaming of a character that goes on for so long when it makes a dramatic scene a comedic scene. And thats what it did.
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there is not a single reason why that would needed to be cut short. He suffered one of the biggest trauma in his life and you want them to cut that short? If there's one scene in the movie that doesn't need to be trimmed down THAT IS IT. And the idea that such a scene makes the difference between laughable and dramatic by keeping the yelling at a realistic/more true to life length rather than cutting it down is simply ridiculous, unfounded and plain old stupid.


I didn't like the way Mystique left Xavier. They have grown up together and she showed little emotion before his condition. I know she has been frustrated with him the whole movie, but her leaving in those circumstances seemed very, very cold. She has never been that warm of a person but I really missed something there. They had two amazing actor such as Jennifer Lawrence and James McAvoy. I think they could have done better. Let's hope they treat the subject in the sequel.


He told her to leave since he knew that's what she wanted. Felt right to me.
 
He told her to leave since he knew that's what she wanted. Felt right to me.
The fact that Charles was generous enough to think about her when he should've been the person Raven was concerned with at that particular moment - and not with her own needs - made her look rather cold and immature indeed. And in the end she even shouts the stupid "Hey Beast...mutant and proud!" which was kind of a payback to Hank, making her look even more like a teenager with issues than a woman who had find her place in a new mutant society. :doh:
 
The fact that Charles was generous enough to think about her when he should've been the person Raven was concerned with at that particular moment - and not with her own needs - made her look rather cold and immature indeed. And in the end she even shouts the stupid "Hey Beast...mutant and proud!" which was kind of a payback to Hank, making her look even more like a teenager with issues than a woman who had find her place in a new mutant society. :doh:

And who's to say she was supposed to be a woman at that point? The movie didn't exactly cover her arc.

I think her evolution as a character is more of a topic for a potential sequel.
 
She's taking a stance and going all "I'm this proud mutant now, not your little sister" so I'd like to suppose she saw herself as woman capable of making her own choices. But her payback to Hank still made her look immature as hell.
I agree that Mystique was underdeveloped. A lot of characters were. But I still like the film, even with lots of wtf! moments like this.
 
I don't think Mystique's comment to Beast is immature payback at all. I think she genuinely cares about him, and wants him to like himself for who he is just as much as she does.
 
Given Hank's reaction to having deformed feet, I would have thought that transforming into a big blue furball would have brought on some kind of nervous breakdown. He took to it a bit too well IMO. That being said, he indeed looked bad ass. :word:
 
I don't think Mystique's comment to Beast is immature payback at all. I think she genuinely cares about him, and wants him to like himself for who he is just as much as she does.

This.

It wasn't payback at all. She was trying to make him feel good about himself. She had learned to love herself for who she was, and she wanted Beast to do the same.

I thought it was a great arc, and it ties in perfectly with the Beast we see in X-Men: The Last Stand, who is defending the idea of the cure, as well as his reaction to becoming normal again for even just a moment.
 
This was said previously, but one of the most gringeworthy moments for me were the scenes where Kevin Bacon tried to speak germany and russia. I'm not fluent with germany and I have no education in russian, but knowing what those languages normally sound like, I couldn't help but feel uncomftrable by just how bad his pronunciation was. There were other bad moments of course, but this struck me the most, I think.
 
This was said previously, but one of the most gringeworthy moments for me were the scenes where Kevin Bacon tried to speak germany and russia. I'm not fluent with germany and I have no education in russian, but knowing what those languages normally sound like, I couldn't help but feel uncomftrable by just how bad his pronunciation was. There were other bad moments of course, but this struck me the most, I think.

Wow, that's funny, a lot of Russian and German speakers have praised Bacon's use of their languages.
 
She's taking a stance and going all "I'm this proud mutant now, not your little sister" so I'd like to suppose she saw herself as woman capable of making her own choices. But her payback to Hank still made her look immature as hell.
I agree that Mystique was underdeveloped. A lot of characters were. But I still like the film, even with lots of wtf! moments like this.

Gain some life experience.
 
Given Hank's reaction to having deformed feet, I would have thought that transforming into a big blue furball would have brought on some kind of nervous breakdown. He took to it a bit too well IMO. That being said, he indeed looked bad ass. :word:

Did you forget that he completely obliterated the lab after he turned furry? And his bursts of anger meant that he was not at ease with himself? Not at all. Get it out of the system Raaah!

If he had to take it well, it's for several reasons. It was the next day - the Cuban missile crisis. Is he gonna call in sick? :oldrazz: And he was the only one who could pilot the Blackbird.

Set his own issues aside for the time being, I suppose. If he's gonna address this in the sequel, I think we'd be treading old ground anyway.

More importantly he had to suck it up because, to me, he'd realised that he had treated Raven badly the night before and was on that high horse about beauty and fitting in. And it backfired on him. He realised he was a bit of an insecure jerk. And seeing Mystique being accepting of herself, was probably caused him to have to suck it up in the first place.

Loganbabe, it's funny that you always have a different interpretation of things compared to the majority. Well, Mystique's call, 'Mutant and proud!' to Beast was not meant to be derogatory and spiteful. In the hangar she even said that this is who Hank is, trying to make him feel better about himself. She was tender with him too. So to say that line with your view makes no sense at all. Her tone certainly didn't indicate that she was immature and wanted to put him in his place.

It'd be hypocritical if she were saying that if she was the one tooting the horn about needing to fit in her own skin. Why would she make someone else feel worse about themselves if she had already for the most of the movie felt uncomfortable in her own? Heck, even Hank told her the night before that the shapeshifting form was not beautiful! He laid the gauntlet, if you will! It still doesn't make Raven the worse person, and neither was Beast. His self-acceptance was his way of saying 'sorry' to Raven, because he's now blue just like her, and therefore realising that 'this is who he is.'

If that makes sense. She is not undeveloped either. She had an important arc that played out over the film, more so than the kids, poignant and thematically relevant. So you're saying that one line just unhinged that entire development then? This makes no sense. And I don't think they were saying she was undeveloped. That's your seeing what you thought you were seeing.

Raven left Charles because he realised that Erik could give what she needed. Charles himself realised he was being selfish and holding her back from what she felt she could fulfill. Since Charles had different ideals from hers. He was doing her a service by letting her go, fly the coop so to speak. Raven didn't ask him if she could join Erik's. Remember, she went to him first. Charles in fact gave 'permission', so it was okay for her to go. If anything, it made Charles noble and sacrificial. Raven never asked for anything more than true acceptance from her brother. If you were the one with blue skin and scales and walking around in the public, would you really do it unreservedly? And Charles knew he 'held her back', sure for good reasons, but she can't hide the fact that she's different. And that makes her unhappy. That's why Erik saw differently and made her realise, for the first time ever, that she could shed her insecurities. It's a great irony: to be able to shapeshift to fit in, but not really being able to do so because one is being perceived on false pretences. And Charles understood that. By giving permission, he saw nothing wrong in that.

I apologise for being a little frustrated, but what movie were you seeing?
 
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This was said previously, but one of the most gringeworthy moments for me were the scenes where Kevin Bacon tried to speak germany and russia. I'm not fluent with germany and I have no education in russian, but knowing what those languages normally sound like, I couldn't help but feel uncomftrable by just how bad his pronunciation was. There were other bad moments of course, but this struck me the most, I think.

What? You don't sound fluent in anything...:doh:
 
Wow, that's funny, a lot of Russian and German speakers have praised Bacon's use of their languages.

Well, they can't deny that he's accent was really thick. It wasn't fluent, it sounded embarrasingly phonetic, not natural.
 
I know my german, that's for sure. So keep that :doh: to yourself. Okay?

You just said you weren't fluent in it.

And now, you're trying to proclaim yourself as more credible than people who are.
 
Given Hank's reaction to having deformed feet, I would have thought that transforming into a big blue furball would have brought on some kind of nervous breakdown. He took to it a bit too well IMO. That being said, he indeed looked bad ass. :word:

Yeah, I was kind of underwhelmed with Hank's reaction to his transformation. I mean...his initial physical deformation wasn't even that bad...especially in comparison to the latter.
 
I was focusing on Bacon's accent. I studied German and I can't say that I noticed any glaring mistakes.

Fassbender's accent on the other hand........they should have renamed his character Magneto O'Toole when he was making his speech on the beach. :p
 
You just said you weren't fluent in it.

And now, you're trying to proclaim yourself as more credible than people who are.

No, I just KNOW what fluent german sounds like. I could clearly hear the distracting accent in his line delivery. So there.
 
I was focusing on Bacon's accent. I studied German and I can't say that I noticed any glaring mistakes.

I couldn't say he made any mistakes either, just that he had a terrible accent, which made it instantly recodnizable, that he couldn't really speak the language.
 
Yeah, I was kind of underwhelmed with Hank's reaction to his transformation. I mean...his initial physical deformation wasn't even that bad...especially in comparison to the latter.

You have to put yourself in the mindset, and grow up in that kind of social climate. Everyone has 'normal' feet, eyes, skin, normal everything.

If you hadn't known that there were others like you, that there was a name 'mutant', of course you'd have felt very ashamed of yourself to discover that you were the only one with big feet.

Besides, who here has NOT felt good about their moles, birthmarks, small breasts, thin bodies, etc? And these are all normal by society's standards. People ALWAYS fuss over this and get insecure.

So Beast's fears should be understood in this context.

And as for his reaction to the transformation. See nervous breakdown in the lab AND his realisation that he'd hurt Mystique, but also seeing that she was happy with herself: he should be too. So there you go.
 
You have to put yourself in the mindset, and grow up in that kind of social climate. Everyone has 'normal' feet, eyes, skin, normal everything.

If you hadn't known that there were others like you, that there was a name 'mutant', of course you'd have felt very ashamed of yourself to discover that you were the only one with big feet.

Besides, who here has NOT felt good about their moles, birthmarks, small breasts, thin bodies, etc? And these are all normal by society's standards. People ALWAYS fuss over this and get insecure.

So Beast's fears should be understood in this context.

And as for his reaction to the transformation. See nervous breakdown in the lab AND his realisation that he'd hurt Mystique, but also seeing that she was happy with herself: he should be too. So there you go.

Fair enough...I can understand from that context. But honestly...you know what they say about big feet? *smile*

Hank as portrayed in the film...I would love to be an attractive genius with big feet and superhuman abilities. Even if I thought I was the only one. I can understand why Hank from the comics was unhappy...his deformity was more obvious. Hank from the film...just hard for me to relate. Regardless of his big feet...there were other perks that came with it.
 
I couldn't say he made any mistakes either, just that he had a terrible accent, which made it instantly recodnizable, that he couldn't really speak the language.

But not everyone who speaks a language does so in the same accent.

Who said his character was born and raised in Germany?
 
Fair enough...I can understand from that context. But honestly...you know what they say about big feet? *smile*

Haha. You should talk. My best mate now in the UK, he's basketball player tall (we used to play together) and has big feet, about size 14. I've seen him in the locker room once and he's just really hanging out, let me tell you! You know Spencer Tunick? He does nude photography. Anyway on one cold morning on the steps of the Sydney Opera House he was asked to pose in the foreground... for obvious reasons! I should've been there though.

Anyway. :)

Hank as portrayed in the film...I would love to be an attractive genius with big feet and superhuman abilities. Even if I thought I was the only one. I can understand why Hank from the comics was unhappy...his deformity was more obvious. Hank from the film...just hard for me to relate. Regardless of his big feet...there were other perks that came with it.

Yes, I'd be happy with the perks, but the downsides would be inconvenient: shoes that don't fit! Well it's funny because his shoes don't seem that big... They seem average size. It just looks like his feet are squeezed into the shoes. Did he ever express discomfit with that?

And of course, Hank is not you. And you aren't Hank. Which is the point. If Hank had your 'attitude', he'd be happier. Which of course he becomes so later on.
 
But not everyone who speaks a language does so in the same accent.

Who said his character was born and raised in Germany?

He makes a very good point, nouan.

Shaw himself said that he didn't share Hitler's ideal for an Aryan race nor was he a Nazi or wanted to be one. So that does imply he wasn't born in Germany. Just happened to align himself with the Nazis, for his own agenda.
 

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