Would you kill baby Hitler?

[The Boogy Man]

I don't think I would...who knows the evil this world would have received if Hitler had not been leader of Germany?

 

[Mightmitenot]

Well, it's safe to say America would eventually have a black president post-Civil Rights Era, and given America's limited political milieu, he would probably be another Ivy Leaguer. Obama's race played a big role in propelling him towards the presidency.

It might just take 10 more years. But these things sort of reach critical mass.

But, not very likely in the terms running from 2009 to 2017. The "correct" person at too late a time doesn't get the job done. Without Hitler in '34, Strasser takes the party along the "Socialist" part of National Socialism and There is no big joining of Party and big industry, far less a military expansion.

 

[terry78]

If you're watching the Man in the High Castle on Amazon, this really makes you think.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Did Alternate History ever mention what happens to the African Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans and Hispanic Americans had the Nazis won the war and eventually conquered the United States?

Also Alternate History states that had the Confederacy won the Civil War and remained 80 years later, they would have formed an alliance with Nazi Germany.

 

[terry78]

Us Brown people would basically be in the same boat as the Jews, metaphorically speaking. If you are poised to pose a threat, view them as inferior.

 

[superboy13]

Don't kill the baby. Go a little further back, stop the parents from meeting - reverse Back to the Future-style - grab Liz, go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over. How's that for a slice of fried gold?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Don't kill the baby. Go a little further back, stop the parents from meeting - reverse Back to the Future-style - grab Liz, go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over. How's that for a slice of fried gold?

But then Alois Hitler meets another woman, who ends up being a Kryptonian on a fact-finding mission. Then we wind up with Super-Hitler!

 

[Thundercrack85]

This notion that Germany could ever physically occupy the United States, or indeed even Canada always seemed silly to me.

The distance is just too great. Even if Germany had nuclear weapons. They might destroy America. But an invasion is just implausible.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

I would consume child Hitler in order to gain his life force.

 

[Pink Ranger]

This notion that Germany could ever physically occupy the United States, or indeed even Canada always seemed silly to me.

The distance is just too great. Even if Germany had nuclear weapons. They might destroy America. But an invasion is just implausible.

Remember though that Canada, at that time, was more closely tied to the United Kingdom than it is now. If Hitler, for example, successfully defeated Britain, he would have likely put in a Nazi-friendly monarchy in place, like King Edward and Queen Wallace, for instance.

Canada would protest at first, but eventually some Nazi apologists in Canada would point out that technically Edward is the rightful king anyway, and legally Canada's head of state, so we should all "get over it" and just adjust to the new reality. Also keep in mind that around this time, Canada's Prime Minister was very similar ideologically to Adolph Hitler: Mackenzie-King was extremely anti-Semitic, and also like Hitler a conservative moderate in terms of economic policy. So if there was a Nazi-friendly monarchy in our mother country, becoming part of the Axis would not be a huge leap.

Canada would not need to have been conquered; it might join willingly. And think about the implications of that. Canada is a huge country geographically, rich with natural resources, and sparsely populated. The very definition of "lebensraum" if there ever was one.

Now imagine my country, as a Nazi client state. Right on the US border, that is impossible to fully defend. The implications would have been staggering.

 

[Guts]

But than Alois Hitler meets another woman, who ends up being a Kryptonian on a fact-finding mission. Than we wind up with Super-Hitler!

I do wonder what Hitler thought of those comics like Captain America or Superman.

 

[Mightmitenot]

Did Alternate History ever mention what happens to the African Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans and Hispanic Americans had the Nazis won the war and eventually conquered the United States?

Also Alternate History states that had the Confederacy won the Civil War and remained 80 years later, they would have formed an alliance with Nazi Germany.

Harry Turtledove wrote a couple of separate series with a victorious South. In one, a time traveling South Africa sent modern guns to the Confederates. In the other, Lee's Special Order 191 for the upcoming Maryland campaign didn't fall into Union hands. In our history, the courier wrapped his cigars in the order paper. En route to the part of Lee's Army that Lee wasn't in contact with, he stopped to have lunch, and a smoke. He left the cigars and the orders on the table!!!! Union officers came in, found the cigars, looked at the insides of the wrappers and General McClellan, an otherwise incompetent commander who was a big wig Illinois politician Lincoln owed favors to had something so useful even he could win battles with.

Southern victories get Britain and France to ally with the Confederates and the US has to concede.

In Turtledove, England Canada and France stay allied with the CSA. When the equivalent of WWI occurs, the US allies with the Kaiser and Austria, this lets the US develop workable tanks (called barrels in that timeline) This let's the US devastate a Kentucky stronghold and the impossible happens. The Confederates realize a Yankees can whup them and they sue for peace.

This leads to "The Freedom Party forming and a Hitler Knock off doing to blacks what Hitler did to the Jews, (The CSA attacks the USA on the date the Nazis attacked the the Soviets f'rex) but Turtledove is literally mirroring our historical record by this point with one big change. The Utah Mormons are in rebellion... again. Sigh.

Let's recall though that ALL AU, every single one of them, no exceptions ARE FICTIONAL!!! Maybe someday we will have sideways traveling time machines and see what happened when the cop guarding Lincoln stayed in his post instead of waltzing over to the nearest bar to get drunk. But right now it's all guess work and not really concrete evidence that backs your claim.

That's a 'for want of a nail scenario'. Nothing more. Move along.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

But then Alois Hitler meets another woman, who ends up being a Kryptonian on a fact-finding mission. Then we wind up with Super-Hitler!

what makes you think that it was Alois's DNA that made him evil, why couldn't he get it from his moms side... that's sexiest lol

 

[Mightmitenot]

what makes you think that it was Alois's DNA that made him evil, why couldn't he get it from his moms side... that's sexiest lol

Hitler had illegitimate kids. Those we know about agreed not to have kids of their own, just in case.

An unnecessary step in my opinion.

 

[Shikamaru]

Hitler himself never commented on any superhero, but Joseph Goebbels did.

He said somewhere in an interview or a press release that Superman was a Jew...a very constructive criticism .

 

[Pink Ranger]

what makes you think that it was Alois's DNA that made him evil, why couldn't he get it from his moms side... that's sexiest lol

Yeah, but then he wouldn't be Adolf Hitler anymore, he'd be Adolf Schwartzmann or Adolf Garces-Ortiz, which would have changed things, slightly.

 

[O_B_Juan]

If I kill Hitler then History Channel plays nothing but shows about ancient Egypt.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Yeah, but then he wouldn't be Adolf Hitler anymore, he'd be Adolf Schwartzmann or Adolf Garces-Ortiz, which would have changed things, slightly.

I was obviously just joking around, but, this really comes down to being a "nature vs nurture" question

was he inherently evil becomes for who he was? or didn't he become that way based on his upbringing, or something that happened to him?

would anyone that was raised in that same environment, become that person?

or was there something fundamentally (emphasis on the "mentally") wrong with him? that he probably would have turned out the same way not matter the environment or situation?

If I kill Hitler then History Channel plays nothing but shows about ancient Egypt.

no we'd just get shows about whoever took his place... and reality shows, an aliens

 

[O_B_Juan]

Hitler brought the aliens to earth, so without Hitler then no aliens. (It was the Germans who sent out the first TV Signals into space I think.)

 

[-Arya-]

Nope I wouldn't.

Couple of reasons

- Someone just as bad could have replaced him.

- His upbringing could have been different and therefore his entire life would be changed, hopefully for the better.

Bottom line, nobody's fate is set in stone from birth. Killing a baby is morally wrong.

 

[Evelisse]

guess many would rather go back and raise Hitler

 

[Spider-Fan83]

if you went back kidnapped him as a baby an brought him to our time to raise him...

do you think he would turn out better or worth ?

 

[Schlosser85]

Hitler had illegitimate kids. Those we know about agreed not to have kids of their own, just in case.

An unnecessary step in my opinion.

They are not Hitler's children, they're the children of his half brother who moved to England.

 

[Smashlilman]

This notion that Germany could ever physically occupy the United States, or indeed even Canada always seemed silly to me.

The distance is just too great. Even if Germany had nuclear weapons. They might destroy America. But an invasion is just implausible.

Wouldn't/Couldn't the Germans just fund and smuggle weapons to rebel groups like the KKK in the Southern States in order to destabilize US as a whole instead of just trying to invade.

 

[Mightmitenot]

if you went back kidnapped him as a baby an brought him to our time to raise him...

do you think he would turn out better or worth ?

I think you could stay in the past and make him a better man.

"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities." - Albus Dumbledoor