Comics Would you rather Spidey be married or single?

[conjob_89]

Marriage. Quesada can take his devil dealing "Auntie's Boy" version of Peter and shove it up his....you know where I'm going with this, right?

Single. If only to see him wear some of the hipster clothes he wore in the 70s.

Traitor.

 

[conjob_89]

I voted for a single Spidey...it just makes a little more sense, and works into the characters personality and dynamics better.

It did from the 60s through the mid-80s. Let Hollywood handle a single Spider-Man, not an EiC with an ego so big that he forgets who's the audience: us or himself?

 

[imdaly]

Here's why I'm not ticked off about how OMD played out:

Pete and MJ get divorced = Pete and MJ's love failed...it wasn't enough...they quit each other.

MJ dies = Pete's love is taken from him (again) and (again) he must deal with the tragedy blaming himself for what happened, and MJ is gone from the books for good.

OMD = Pete and MJ are so confident that in their love for each other -- that even The Devil himself couldn't keep them apart forever -- that they agree to sacrifice their marriage to each other in order to save one of the most important women in their lives.

MJ herself said it to Peter:

I know in my heart of hearts that you and I were always meant to be together. Whatever he throws at us, whatever he does, whatever he undoes, it doesn't matter. Because whatever he does to pull us apart would have to be bigger and stronger than what brought us together and kept us together, no matter what happened. Ant there's no power in the Universe big enough for a job like that. Not the devil, not God, not anybody.

I think of it...well...like a spider and it's web, actually.

A spider will spent so much effort to create these big, beautiful, elaborate webs, and you can go and knock it down...but it'll just end up building it right back up again eventually...because that's what they do.

Mephisto took their marriage, but not their love.
Peter and MJ didn't sacrifice their marriage, they doubled down on it.

And what better way to kick The Devil in the face then to say "Yeah, you can take our marriage. You can even make us forget we ever married! But just wait until you see us little by little make it back into each others' arms one day and get that marriage back...all without even trying! You can take our marriage: We'll just have another one!"




And THAT'S why I can accept OMD and the outcome...well, that and because I'm enjoying the storylines we're getting now!

 

[farmernudie]

You're all excited to have them "back in each other's arms again"....yet that is not the POINT of OMD/BND at ALL...! There love WILL NOT prevail until someone else takes EIC and reverses the reboot and lets things move forward again.

We've regressed, spinning our wheels in the mud, because the "rules" are now, that, Pete can't have a relationship and never did, because he is mandated single, young, hip. Regression.

The point IS NOT to have them together again, or else why waste the time rebooting and altering history? Just so they can remember they are married again?

OMD/BND is not a love story in any way. It is forcing Pete to be a swinging young guy who can be in love triangles.

 

[JewishHobbit]

And unless sales dip really badly they aren't going to be married again. Apparently it hinders the character

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Here's why I'm not ticked off about how OMD played out:

Pete and MJ get divorced = Pete and MJ's love failed...it wasn't enough...they quit each other.

the beginning of Civil war was the perfect place for it to happen. In order to protect MJ, Peter decides to push her away. It doesn't mean that he doesn't love her. He is just sacrificing being with her in order to save her. In a way they ARE giving up, but if done right it could've been a great tear jerker. It could've been shocking (which we all know that shocking is what Joey Q loves) AND more in character than unmasking in front of a live audience and dealing with the devil.

MJ dies = Pete's love is taken from him (again) and (again) he must deal with the tragedy blaming himself for what happened, and MJ is gone from the books for good.

This I agree with you.

OMD = Pete and MJ are so confident that in their love for each other -- that even The Devil himself couldn't keep them apart forever -- that they agree to sacrifice their marriage to each other in order to save one of the most important women in their lives.

But they're giving up. Worst of all they're giving up their sacred bond of matrimony TO THE DEVIL

I think of it...well...like a spider and it's web, actually.

A spider will spent so much effort to create these big, beautiful, elaborate webs, and you can go and knock it down...but it'll just end up building it right back up again eventually...because that's what they do.

Mephisto took their marriage, but not their love.
Peter and MJ didn't sacrifice their marriage, they doubled down on it.

and what is to say that Joe Q/Mephisto didn't add some failsafes in order to keep them apart, like say Michelle Gonzales and her possible pregnancy scare. We know that the Q went through great lenghts in order to un-marry them. He's not going to let all that hard work be flushed down the drain so easily.

And what better way to kick The Devil in the face then to say "Yeah, you can take our marriage. You can even make us forget we ever married! But just wait until you see us little by little make it back into each others' arms one day and get that marriage back...all without even trying! You can take our marriage: We'll just have another one!"

Only when the Quesada era at Marvel comes to an end and if an anti-OMD EIC takes Joe's place. Who knows if Joey Q makes sure that the un-marriage is irreversible by say, killing MJ?

And THAT'S why I can accept OMD and the outcome...well, that and because I'm enjoying the storylines we're getting now!

Good that you can accept omd and enjoy the stories. Because of OMD I cannot enjoy the stories.

 

[iloveclones]

You're all excited to have them "back in each other's arms again"....yet that is not the POINT of OMD/BND at ALL...! There love WILL NOT prevail until someone else takes EIC and reverses the reboot and lets things move forward again.

We've regressed, spinning our wheels in the mud, because the "rules" are now, that, Pete can't have a relationship and never did, because he is mandated single, young, hip. Regression.

The point IS NOT to have them together again, or else why waste the time rebooting and altering history? Just so they can remember they are married again?

OMD/BND is not a love story in any way. It is forcing Pete to be a swinging young guy who can be in love triangles.

Well, I can't speak for everyone, but that's not what I'm excited about.

I am glad that MJ is back in the title, because I believe she was, and can be, and interesting character. For the majority of their marriage, writers boxed her in to just being an appendage (with exceptions here and there.)

I neither expect , or hope, that Pete will walk down the aisle with anyone. It doesn't mean they can't flirt with it. And I don't buy this argument that it doesn't mean anything because editorial won't ever let it happen, for two reasons: 1) that same argument could be applied to any near-death situation, or any battle in general. I mean, we know he's gonna win/live, right. But it's in how you write it. 2)Editorial and EIC will eventually change. And even if they keep the changes in place, you'll never know if they're the ones who might reverse things. So a Pete/MJ(or whomever) marriage could be possible.

 

[iloveclones]

Only when the Quesada era at Marvel comes to an end and if an anti-OMD EIC takes Joe's place. Who knows if Joey Q makes sure that the un-marriage is irreversible by say, killing MJ?
.

Have you ever read comics?

Nothing is irreversible.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Have you ever read comics?

Nothing is irreversible.

That's the only hope that the marriage has... But if Joey has a villain kill MJ in front of Peter/Spidey chopping her to pieces and tossing all pieces in acid except her eyes so they can do a DNA test and prove that it is the Real MJ... the counter arguement would be that it was a clone.

 

[farmernudie]

Clonesy: So a Pete/MJ(or whomever) marriage could be possible.

Well...theoretically, you are indeed correct, because ANYTHING is "POSSIBLE".

But many things are very highly totally unlikely, looking at the evidence and motivations for the reboot.

Pete COULD turn into a baboon, shave his butt, and eat spaghettios all day too with his girlfriend Lulu the jellyfish that loves the song Me and You and a Dog Named Boo.

Seriously tho....would you WANT to see him marry someone else??, when he is technically still married.

I mean...this whole thing, the set up of the new spidey universe, is a can of worms. That's just one of the reason i wince seeing Pete or MJ with anyone else, let alone having sex while drunk and all. Feels dirty....just my opinion.

 

[dusk20]

Am i the only one that can no longer stand Mary Jane because of the Spider-Man movies??? I have no Idea why, maybe it's because of Mrs. Dunst.....I just can't stand her after the first movie.

 

[conjob_89]

Am i the only one that can no longer stand Mary Jane because of the Spider-Man movies??? I have no Idea why, maybe it's because of Mrs. Dunst.....I just can't stand her after the first movie.

It is because of Kirsten Dunst.

 

[storyteller]

Honestly the no marriage thing is stupid. You can't have him find love because we all know who he actually loves and to marry another true love is just an insult.

The stories really haven't really been better with him being single. Though they are better with his identity back in the box(Though why Gargan doesn't like ask the symbiote who spiderman is baffles me).

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Married. i considered Peter and MJ the Marvel version of Clark and Lois...

 

[Meehaul]

Definitely single. The marriage was a major mistake that violated the core of the character. I know how the anti-BNDer's feel, as I felt the same way when Pete married MJ. I didn't like the Mephisto deal, but I like the result. I can toss of a long list of things I've hated, from the nervous breakdown, to the clone saga (well, replacing Pete), to letting Venom off, to The Other storyline. But I'm happy where things are now.

 

[farmernudie]

Marriage Violated the "CORE of the CHARACTER"????

How did it violate him as an everyman?

How did it violate his sense of responsibilty and Uncle Ben's death?

How did it violate him as someone you can relate to and does the right thing?

Out of many things in history, OMD/BND included, and stuff that is out of character, how can you consider "marriage" as violating the core of the character? Holy cow!

 

[Meehaul]

Everyone sees the character they way in which they wish. There's no right answer. But here's how I respond to your concerns.

"Marriage Violated the "CORE of the CHARACTER"????

"How did it violate him as an everyman?" Pete was not an "everyman." He was never an "everyman." He was a nerd, a social outcast, "Puny Parker," a person who was always on the sidelines, not part of the "in" crowd. He was also a genius. A whiz kid whom others, save for his Aunt and Uncle, couldn't understand. He was never truly an "everyman" in that respect. He was a member of the marginalized society, the consummate outsider. And, by the way, a guy who marries a super-model/actress sure as heck isn't an "everyman."

How did it violate his sense of responsibilty and Uncle Ben's death? His sense of responsibility meant that he would never choose to marry someone and bring them in to the circle of danger he created by being Spider-Man. Many of the early stories revolved around him attempting to rid himself of his super powers so that he COULD lead a normal life (ie, get married, etc.). As long as he chose to be Spider-Man, the responsible person would never have chosen to marry and thereby bring yet another innocent person into his self-chosen circle of danger. He had to, forever, remain a man apart if he wanted to continue in his role as Spider-Man. He could, of course, have quit being Spider-Man, but he felt he had to use his power to make a difference. Sort of like a Catholic Priest--you give up a "normal" life to pursue a particular vocation of serving others. You don't get to eat your cake and have it too, as it were.

"How did it violate him as someone you can relate to and does the right thing?" Uh, he married a super model and lived in a posh apartment? Hard enough to relate to a guy who climbs walls, even harder to relate to a guy who climbs walls AND is married to a fabulously hot babe.

To me, the core character of Peter Parker was about loss and tragedy, which marriage and comparable comfort violated (unless they'd have just killed MJ off, which would have been fine by me--but Pete still would have been better off married to a "simple secretary" Beatty Brant or a "teacher" Gwen Stacy, but a model/actress? That was ridiculous). What made Pete interesting to me was that despite his super powers, his life was marked by tragedy, by loss, by disappointment. More than any "deal" with Mephisto, marriage to a model/actress went to the very core of what Pete was all about.

On the other hand, the core character of Spider-Man is about success regardless of the odds. Put the Sinister Six up against Spider-Man, and he'd find a way to win. Let Norman Osborn subvert the Avengers and put them in league with the X-men and have them go after Spider-Man and, in the end, Spidey would still find a way to overcome whatever odds might be stacked against him. He'd never quit, never give up.

To me, this dicotomy of the charater--Pete representing tragedy and loss and Spider-Man representing success, made the character interesting. When he got married to the model actress and got routinely schooled by Venom, the core of the character (both sides of it), as I perceived it, was ruined.

And as for Pete "doing the right thing"--it wasn't that he invariably DID the right thing, it's that he TRIED to do what he believed to be the right thing. Sometimes it turned out NOT to be the right thing. But he TRIED to do what he thought was right and then acknowledged his mistakes. I didn't like the Mephisto "deal," but Pete was doing what he believed was the right thing by rescuing his Aunt who died by a bullit meant for him. He sacrificed something dear to him (his marriage) to save his Aunt--that's the very definition of sacrifice, in fact. It may not have BEEN the right thing to do, but Pete was trying to do what he thought was right. He's not Clark Kent, universal do-righter. He's as human a character as comics has seen, which means he sometimes makes mistakes. What makes him "good" is that he tries, not that he's perfect.

To me, neither the clone saga nor OMD went to Pete's core. The laydown for Venom and the marriage both bothered me a good deal more. But again, reasonable people can, and do, differ about these things. I understand that. I don't expect you to agree with me, nor I with you. But I, for one, am happy Marvel is at least making an attempt to return Pete to what it was that made him interesting. I wish we could eliminate most of JMS's run, the marriage, and a lot of other things, but it's all wrapped up in the character's history now, for better or for worse. The great thing about a fictional character, is that we can interpret him how we wish-although its nice to base it in the text.

 

[Miss Webb]

You're all excited to have them "back in each other's arms again"....yet that is not the POINT of OMD/BND at ALL...! There love WILL NOT prevail until someone else takes EIC and reverses the reboot and lets things move forward again.

We've regressed, spinning our wheels in the mud, because the "rules" are now, that, Pete can't have a relationship and never did, because he is mandated single, young, hip. Regression.

The point IS NOT to have them together again, or else why waste the time rebooting and altering history? Just so they can remember they are married again?

OMD/BND is not a love story in any way. It is forcing Pete to be a swinging young guy who can be in love triangles.

And love squares, pentagons and hexagons.

Thus is it mandated by Joey Q...he be da debbil.

 

[farmernudie]

MJ hasn't always been this "giant super-model of the world kinda thing"...

I think of her more as a "girl next door" than THAT...to be honest...maybe it is just me....?

It seemed more like a random job they picked for her....to me........obviously, since people say THAT, the model-job bothers them, because if he is an "Everyman", he should marry a dorky loser who is a grocery bagger or librarian or something????

Just because MJ tried to become a model at one point, doesn't change her ROOTS anymore than Pete being a Teacher or Photographer. In my opinion, way too much emphasis is on HER job here...

 

[Themanofbat]

Well, if you want to look at her "roots", then she was the all-round party girl as opposed to the sweet girl next-door role that came later with the movies...

 

[Meehaul]

Actually, MJ's "roots" were as a red-headed, party girl bombshell. She did NOT start out as the "girl next door" - except in the movie version, which sort of melded MJ, Gwen, Liz, and Betty together. Her persona, like that of many comic book characters, has been re-tooled over the years. Marvel changed her following Gwen's death (or at the time thereof) so that she might become a future "Parker squeeze" thereby setting the stage for further conflict with Harry O, whom she'd dated at one point.

 

[farmernudie]

Well, my point tho, besides how we all see MJ, (lol)....is does her job, or a woman's job, really matter, if you love her, or for Pete to love her and marry her?

Is being a model, or any job, for a woman, against the core of what spider-man is?

I believe not.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

Farmie: making deals with evil is TRUE to Spidey's core. He's made deals with Ock, Norman, Venom, Mendell Stromm, and Tony Stark. Dealing with Mephisto isn't that far-out of character.

About the Divorce equals giving up that some of the pro BNDers like to speak of, it is ridiculous. Since everything happened the same but they're not married, that means that they still gave up on their love when they broke up.

But Peter's getting laid with chicks now, so screw the core! I want to see PEter PArker in a massive all-girl (except him) Orgy! and after all that sex they'll chew bubblegum cause smoking=bad... YES!!! The best Spider-Man stories are told with a single Peter...

 

[SpideyInATree]

I want to see PEter PArker in a massive all-girl (except him) Orgy!

PERVERT!!!!!

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

PERVERT!!!!!

Maybe, but that is a story that can't be told with a married Spidey.