Wrestling: The Action Soap Opera Thread

[Hunter Rider]

Not to mention the fact he can't speak English.

 

[Darkness Falls]

still hate the lack of the word wrest.... *sniped by wwe marketing*

 

[Gotham Knight]

I cringed when they came out and said that it was indeed a soap opera.

 

[BlackLantern]

I cringed when they came out and said that it was indeed a soap opera.

fans have been calling it that for years now....I'm not a fan of the label, but that is what it is

but soaps are dying now so who knows what the next "label" will be

 

[Gotham Knight]

fans have been calling it that for years now....I'm not a fan of the label, but that is what it is

but soaps are dying now so who knows what the next "label" will be

A soap opera is a fake show with actors. It doesn't lead down a path of drugs and painkillers due to a constant beating on the workers bodies, which lead to early deaths. Fans can call it whatever they like, but it's no joke. It's Professional Wrestling.

 

[BlackLantern]

actors have issues with painkillers and drugs and all of that.....and yes the physical aspects are real, but the storylines are manufactured

and whether you like it or not...to 99 percent of the tv watching audience, professional wrestling IS a joke....when crap like Jersey Shore and Real Housewives gets more attention and respect in the media than wrestling does.....wrestling is the joke

we, as fans, just can't admit it

 

[Darkness Falls]

It's Still real to me Damn It

i agree, reguardless of what they call it it's still pro wrestling

 

[Hunter Rider]

It's a "joke" except to other athletes who have a lot of respect for WWE wrestlers, even MMA guys have come out and said they could not do what wrestlers do.

 

[BlackLantern]

of course....again I don't agree with the "banning" of the word and the WWEs policies towards that, but what I think they are attempting to do is to change that long standing perception

 

[Gotham Knight]

actors have issues with painkillers and drugs and all of that.....and yes the physical aspects are real, but the storylines are manufactured

and whether you like it or not...to 99 percent of the tv watching audience, professional wrestling IS a joke....when crap like Jersey Shore and Real Housewives gets more attention and respect in the media than wrestling does.....wrestling is the joke

we, as fans, just can't admit it

OK, some actors do have drug issues. But the same can be said for every profession if you look hard enough. The point is that there's a direct link with Wrestlers. I'm sure every once in awhile there is the actor dealing with problems, that resorts to drugs to fix their problems. The point still remains is that actors don't take the kind of mental/physical beating that professional wrestlers do. They say their lines and get on with their day. They aren't constantly traveling and having to be away from family/friends. At least not almost every single day of every single year.

But seriously, wrestling is a joke because morons that enjoy Jersey Shore don't respect it? What?

 

[BlackLantern]

It's a "joke" except to other athletes who have a lot of respect for WWE wrestlers, even MMA guys have come out and said they could not do what wrestlers do.

ok....im talking about the PERCEPTION among the viewing audience

 

[BlackLantern]

But seriously, wrestling is a joke because morons that enjoy Jersey Shore don't respect it? What?

see my above post....that is the PERCEPTION among the general audience....where those potential NEW viewers are going to come from

this is the problem both TNA and WWE have....how do you get NEW viewers to the product?

and when Jersey Shores viewing audience doubles that of WWE on a weekly basis, then yes...its an issue

 

[Gotham Knight]

ok....im talking about the PERCEPTION among the viewing audience

Who cares about perception? I'm talking about reality. Although maybe you're talking about from a business standpoint? Even then I still think it's incredibly disrespectful to the talent.

 

[BlackLantern]

I am arguing from a business standpoint....and considering how cheap it is to throw a "reality" show out there and make just as much $$$....how would you sell WWE or TNA to a potential sponsor??

because pushing Dolph Ziggler ain't gonna get it done

 

[Hunter Rider]

ok....im talking about the PERCEPTION among the viewing audience

The vast majority of people are ignorant, the best idea would be to show them exactly what it takes to be a wrestler, instead of trying to pretend it's not wrestling.

 

[Gotham Knight]

I am arguing from a business standpoint....and considering how cheap it is to throw a "reality" show out there and make just as much $$$....how would you sell WWE or TNA to a potential sponsor??

because pushing Dolph Ziggler ain't gonna get it done

I'm not quite understanding. The WWE isn't focusing on reality TV. They're focused on making movies/selling products. Not TV shows. Before this years Tough Enough, there was one back in 2002(I think). They didn't need to sellout to get a deal 9 years ago, why should they now?

 

[The Sage]

How do you escape being a wrestling company when it's the core of what makes you who you are? Especially since they aren't exceeding in the other parts of entertainment they're attempting to expand in to, minus Tough Enough. XFL, movies...

 

[BlackLantern]

The vast majority of people are ignorant, the best idea would be to show them exactly what it takes to be a wrestler, instead of trying to pretend it's not wrestling.

which is why I wish they would put Tough Enough on NBC for a couple weeks, I think that would go a long way

I'm not quite understanding. The WWE isn't focusing on reality TV. They're focused on making movies/selling products. Not TV shows. Before this years Tough Enough, there was one back in 2002(I think). They didn't need to sellout to get a deal 9 years ago, why should they now?

because the TV landscape has changed dramatically in 9 years, especially in cable....the reality TV genre has proven you DON'T need to spend money on production to see a return, cable channels have focused on original programming (and that has yielded great results for channels like AMC and FX)

and if a channel or network doesn't have to spend money on production, they can charge less for ad space....and advertisers will go with the best deal that gets the most eyeballs seeing their ads

 

[Gotham Knight]

which is why I wish they would put Tough Enough on NBC for a couple weeks, I think that would go a long way

The first Tough Enough aired on MTV.

because the TV landscape has changed dramatically in 9 years, especially in cable....the reality TV genre has proven you DON'T need to spend money on production to see a return, cable channels have focused on original programming (and that has yielded great results for channels like AMC and FX)

and if a channel or network doesn't have to spend money on production, they can charge less for ad space....and advertisers will go with the best deal that gets the most eyeballs seeing their ads

I still don't understand how this helps. People make fun of Professional Wrestling and call it fake, so let's prove them right. Let's start calling it a soap opera and calling them Superstars instead of Wrestlers. So let's water down the WWE and make it nothing more than guest host from MTV shows to draw attention. It shouldn't be about the people that put the work into this every single day of their lives, it should be about making a few extra bucks.

 

[BlackLantern]

I still don't understand how this helps. People make fun of Professional Wrestling and call it fake, so let's prove them right. Let's start calling it a soap opera and calling them Superstars instead of Wrestlers. So let's water down the WWE and make it nothing more than guest host from MTV shows to draw attention. It shouldn't be about the people that put the work into this every single day of their lives, it should be about making a few extra bucks.

for a company that is as big as the WWE is now and being publicly traded.....sadly, yes....its about generating revenue

if anything, this should be the opening that TNA is waiting for....to push themselves as a "wrestling" company...if TNA could rise up a bit, it would probably put the fire back in Vince and the PTB

 

[RetroNaz]

Yeah, why get rid of the term "wrestling" when that's what the program is all about.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...calling it a monkey won't change the fact it's still a duck.

Vince should sit down and consider perhaps creating an actual soap opera like Days of Our Lives if that's what he wants to do.

He needs to wake up and smell the ropes and think why wrestling IS such a dirty word to people these days. It's not because of the wrestling.

 

[BlackLantern]

it's always been a dirty word...that's part of the problem...even during the MNW and the Attitude Era, sure it got some mainstream attention...but a LOT of that attention came from the "shock" moments that WWE threw out there....basically alot of the stuff that Austin and DX were doing..yes it was getting writeups in Entertainment Weekly, but it was always with a caveat like "male soap opera" or "mindless fun if you don't have anything else to watch"

 

[Wylie Times]

Wrestling has always been about making money....That's why the guy who can draw the most money is put at the top of promotion and why the business was protected so fiercely.

For all the "I do this for the love of the business" talk you hear from guys, if Vince cut any stars pay by 80% they'd throw a ****ing fit and walk.

 

[Gotham Knight]

If Vince cut my pay by 80% and I was one of the guys raking in cash for him by putting my body through unbearable pain, I would walk too.

 

[Slushy]

Interesting to read about McCool leaving. I was indifferent to her despite her push to being the top Diva minaly because of her relationship with The Undertaker. I would have Kong debut by taking her out at Extreme Rules to make an impact and set up a future feud.

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