X-Men 3 is headed in the same direction as Mortal Kombat Annihilation.

[Fray Ok]

The difference is X3 has talented actors.

 

[PikaZeroX]

Superman 3 did too

 

[PikaZeroX]

And WHAT exactly is it that hints that X3 will head down that route?

All we have to go on is rumours and it's already been stated that there are around 11 chars considered as "main" that's not THAT many and is still no indication of their screen time

They are rumors and perhaps I'm jumping the gun, but they were from a script that is looking more and more like the one being filmed. My expectations are dropping very fast. Please don't think of me as some sort of troll, I loved the first two films and I'd just hate to see the third one fall on it's face with lazy plotlines and killing off important characters.

 

[panzertank]

Ok, so I don't say much, I mostly just look and get my info that way, but why of all the terrible sequels to compare X-3 to, did you choose MKA. They are totally different circumstances, big to small budget, wide audience to video game fans, good actors to bad actors. I mean, not that I am comparing it to this, but Batman&Robin would make a much better comparison. MKA didn't have an overkill of characters, it just had terrible ones. It doesn't make sense just to compare two sequels thinking they have alot in common. Look at every sequel, they always add more characters into the fray, thats what sequels do, expand.
So in accordance with this one I think I will start a thread titled...
X-3:Citizens on Patrol???

 

[The Guard]

You know what MKA had against it? Story and actors. Know what X3 has going for it? Story and actors.

Dumbest thread ever.

 

[PikaZeroX]

You know what MKA had against it? Story and actors. Know what X3 has going for it? Story and actors.

Dumbest thread ever.

Rehashing plot devices and killing off characters is a positive?

 

[Doctor Goblipus]

This guy makes some good points.

 

[cookiva]

Rehashing plot devices and killing off characters is a positive?

I dont think anyone is dying. Oh, and its the XMEN!! How would you like it if instead of Phoenix being a main plot of the movie, it was Xmen 3- The gang finds out who stole the pie!

 

[Demon Within]

What they did to subzero in MKA was criminal. Lets pray to all that is Holy that they dont screw a character like that.

 

[StevieNicks1988]

Mortal Kombat is different. Low budget, casting sucked, director didn't give a **** about the story, characters, anything. Also edited the **** out of it, as I said earlier.

Here we have a nice fat budget, good casting, director is a comic fan and X-fan who cares about story, characters, and everything involved. Also, I doubt editing will be a problem here as there aren't 2 hours of fightscenes.

 

[Kmack]

I don't think it will be anywhere near as horrible as MK Annihilation

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I dont think anyone is dying. Oh, and its the XMEN!! How would you like it if instead of Phoenix being a main plot of the movie, it was Xmen 3- The gang finds out who stole the pie!

Well, maybe that way they could finally fit in Gambit!!! (sorry)

(There is a real purpose to my post, I swears it)

Okay, there are a few things I wanna reply to, and I'm not quoting it all, so please just bear with me here.

1. To the person who said Die Another Day sucked and World Is Not Enough was boring... WHAT KIND OF CRACK ARE YOU ON?!?!!

I'm sorry, I'm hard pressed to find any of the Pierce Brosnan Bond movies to be anything close to "bad". Pierce is my favorite Bond, Die Another Day and World Is Not Enough are 2 of my favorite Bond movies, and Brosnan's worst Bond movie (Tomorrow Never Dies) is still among the "better of the franchise" list. I really thought that Die Another Day was one of the best Bond movies period.

2. I also really liked Alien vs. Predator, why all the hate?

I'm not a big fan of either franchise (In particular Predator, but I do like the Alien movies), and I thought the "vs." movie was just going to be lame. But my friend is a huge Predator fan, and was looking forward to this movie almost as much as I anticipate an X-Men movie, and I went with him to see it, even tho I thought it was going to be horrible.

I actually left the theatre pleasantly surprised, and ended up buying it on DVD when it came out.

Now, my friend and I both acknowledge it was nothing supertacular, but it's a very entertaining movie for what it is, with some very very nice action scenes.

3. One quote I want to respond to in particular:

"They are rumors and perhaps I'm jumping the gun, but they were from a script that is looking more and more like the one being filmed."

Are you talking about the script that AICN reviewed?

Now, granted, there are some things in that script that are proving to be legit (Alcatraz / Golden Gate Bridge, Jean Grey origin scene), but there is also a lot of it that is proving to be quite inaccurate at this juncture:

-I believe in that script, Jean Grey / Phoenix was more of a background, subplot kinda thing. I believe that one of the writers (Kinberg I believe) confirmed that the Phoenix storyline is actually going to be a major, major focus. Not just something happening while the X-Men duke it out with Sentinels (which I wish them the best of luck in doing, because I know that when I was creating my fan-plotlines for X-Men 3, I was completely and utterly stumped on how to handle the Phoenix situation)

-It appears that Cyclops doesn't die all that early, as I believe we had a set report which involved a nice fight scene with Cyclops. Even as it was, I never believed he would really die in the movie, because Cyclops' death was written as a way to accomadate Marsden's busy schedule. However, filming of X-Men 3 was pushed back, which allowed him to be on the set of this movie for a much longer period of time, allowing him to have a beefier role. I will seriously be shocked if Cyclops dies in the movie.

-Omega Red. Where in that script review was Omega Red. Despite the fact that came from RickyH, I think it's pretty safe to say that was a very legit picture, as even Fox asked a1ant to take it off his site.

That script that AICN reviewed was obviously legit. But it was also a very early -draft-, not even close to a finished script. It's a basic outline of things they wanna do. The details will be worked on and evolve as shooting presses forward.

4. One more quote:

"Rehashing plot devices and killing off characters is a positive?"

We don't know that the plot device is being rehashed. We don't know how any of these characters are going to play into the overall plot. And we don't know who, if anyone, is dying.

5. Now on to the characters.

Let's take a look at the characters that we are confirmed to have in this movie:

-Xavier
-Cyclops
-Jean Grey / Phoenix
-Storm
-Wolverine
-Rogue
-Iceman
-Kitty Pryde
-Colossus
-Beast
-Angel

-Magneto
-Mystique
-Pyro
-Juggernaut

-Dr. Kavita Rao
-Omega Red
-Gauntlet
-Multiple Man
-Stacy X (?)
-Steven Lang / Bolivar Trask (?)
-Leech
-Dr. Moira McTaggert

("?" = rumored character that their respective actors / actresses are playing)

Now, these are all the characters who are going to be more than a cameo. Maybe not neccesarily a major player, but are going to be more than a cameo. Character count: 23

Now let's look at X2:

-Xavier
-Cyclops
-Jean Grey
-Storm
-Wolverine
-Rogue
-Iceman
-Nightcrawler
-Pyro

-Magneto
-Mystique

-Col. William Stryker
-Jason / Mutant 143
-Senator Kelly
-President McKenna
-Lady Deathstrike

Character count: 15

Albiet that is about an 8 character difference, we have to look at some of the following details:

10 of the 23 characters for X-Men 3 that I listed are returning characters. The general audience knows these characters already. They've been introduced, their motives established, there's no real screen time needed to develop these characters, as they've been developed as is. There will be some growth to these characters of course, but the beef of their characters is already known.

Of the remaining 13 characters, there are about 6 of those who's roles we really don't know the size of. Granted, we don't know the size of any of the roles, really, but a lot of them we can get a good idea of. However, the roles of Kitty Pryde and Colossus may be nothing more than very small roles / glorified cameos. Yes, Colossus is getting a bigger role, but that could mean anything considering the size of his role in X2. Kitty Pryde may be nothing more than a homewrecker in this movie, which won't take much development.

Omega Red and Gauntlet may be glorified henchmen. Hopefully (at least in Red's case) they are around for more than just 1 fight scene as random mutants who happen to be named. But even if they are, they may be no more than what Sabretooth, Toad, or Lady Deathstrike were.

And Multiple Man and Stacy X may just be featured cameos. They may also need no true development to the overall plot.

Which is going to leave about 7 new characters that need to be developed.

Angel, Beast, and Juggernaut are going to need good development. They'll need a very good amount of screen time. Kavita Rao and Moira McTaggert may have roles no bigger than President McKenna for all we know. Bill Duke will probably be the Magneto of X-Men and William Stryker of X2 sized role. And Leech, only thing about him that needs to be addressed is his powers.

So that's about 3 or 4 new characters that are going to hog a lion's share of the "new character" screen time for development. That's not bad at all, especially considering that in X2, we easily had that with Nightcrawler, Pyro, and William Stryker getting that treatment.

 

[Sean Madrox]

Very well said Nell.

I think that we shouldn't judge a movie until we see it.

 

[XBoy]

For those of you that aren't familiar with Mortal Kombat Annihilation, it was the sequel to the video game movie Mortal Kombat which was a surprise hit. MKA tried to have it all, and failed horribly.

It was crammed to the brim with characters, there was no room for character development. The plot took a giant nosedive with pathetic plot devices and killing off great characters for terrible reasons. Sounding familiar?

I groan with each cast addition report on more mutants (If that model is Stacy X, WTF?!), and how important characters are looking to go out in a whimper (Especially

Spoiler

Cyclops getting punked when he's essential to the whole storyline. Hell, even if he doesn't die he's apparently gotten the big shaft again. Where does he get sidetracked this time

). Mutant cure? Even if it's a cover for the legacy virus it's a lame plot device that rehashes "Bad man wants to get rid of mutants" from X2. They even have use a mutant to produce the "problem solving" agents they need AGAIN.

There you go Lightning.

What a shallow, ignorant, assuming and uneducated opinion.

1. We haven't seen the movie.
2. We haven't read the script.
3. We've seen ONE cast picture (from afar), that is totally out of context, it could mean anything and is NOTHING to really go by.
4. So what's your opinion based on?

Answer: Nothing.

 

[Halcohol]

What a shallow, ignorant, assuming and uneducated opinion.

1. We haven't seen the movie.
2. We haven't read the script.
3. We've seen ONE cast picture (from afar), that is totally out of context, it could mean anything and is NOTHING to really go by.
4. So what's your opinion based on?

Answer: Nothing.

Last I checked, it's perfectly alright to debate things that MAY or MAY NOT happen. If you don't agree, well that's your problem, you don't need to go around insulting people.

It's shallow, ignorant, assuming, & uneducated.

 

[XBoy]

Last I checked, it's perfectly alright to debate things that MAY or MAY NOT happen. If you don't agree, well that's your problem, you don't need to go around insulting people.

It's shallow, ignorant, assuming, & uneducated.

Why would you want to waste your time getting yourself worked up over something that you have no PROOF about? That's where I'm coming from. It's childish to talk out of your neck and make claims about things like that when in all reality you have NOTHING to go on apart from rumours and what you THINK you know.

I can't wait for this movie to blow haters away so they can quit talking out of their necks like this. Anyone would think they work on the set!

 

[HippieKiller]

Is there going to be a scene where Omega Red pops out of nowhere and gets flattened by a chandelier?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wow. This thread is still not closed??

 

[GNR]

Wow. This thread is still not closed??

I know.

 

[Sentinel X]

Dude,to even compare the X-men franchise to Mortal Kombat should be concidered a crime--its just plain evil

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[PikaZeroX]

What a shallow, ignorant, assuming and uneducated opinion.

1. We haven't seen the movie.
2. We haven't read the script.
3. We've seen ONE cast picture (from afar), that is totally out of context, it could mean anything and is NOTHING to really go by.
4. So what's your opinion based on?

Answer: Nothing.

Please, I'm allowed to form opinions based on information I've seen and if you don't like it, please eject from the topic.

There's been more than one cast picture, and to top it all off that's not what I'm forming my opinions on. My opinions form from set reports which are very comparable to AICN's script review. I honestly DO NOT want this movie to flop on it's face, I'm very concerned because this is easily my favorite comic book-movie franchise.

 

[Doomed_hero]

I have felt kinda the same way with some of the news. All these action scenes and character cameos have kinda help with my belief.

 

[Sean Madrox]

I honestly DO NOT want this movie to flop on it's face, I'm very concerned because this is easily my favorite comic book-movie franchise.

I think what you said was kind of redundent, you say that you hope it doesn't flop on its face, but you compare it to MKA.

If it is easily your favorite comic-book franchise then don't jump to conclusions, take everything 'spoiled' with a grain of salt. If you want to be a true fan to the franchise then patiently wait for the first trailer or wait for it to hit theaters.

 

[PikaZeroX]

Wow. This thread is still not closed??

My first topic about this was closed due to a huge lack of detail, this one is in greater detail and is worth discussing as it's own thread and apparently the mods agree.

As a member of this forum, I am allowed to make topics. Should you not agree with my topic, please respond with respect or simply ignore it and move on. I'm not hurting anyone or anything.