Comics X-Men: Civil War - Which Side are you on?

[Nature's Rising]

I love to rebel. And being with the X-Men is a plus. CYclops is smart, and having Emma as your b!tchbuddy is a privilege. Hee.

 

[CombatRock319]

after what emma did to stark in CW3 i was ready to fall in love with a character i used to hate. i loved it when she showed the rotting corpses in Genosha to stark. shes so right. Genosha was massacred, but nobody cared, 300 people die, ITS A WHOLE NEW MINI SERIES!!!!! thats so predictably x-men discrimination...

 

[Uncanny]

So now we know how Bishop vs the X-Men start. I really hope Cyclops does not really start to fight back.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

after what emma did to stark in CW3 i was ready to fall in love with a character i used to hate. i loved it when she showed the rotting corpses in Genosha to stark. shes so right. Genosha was massacred, but nobody cared, 300 people die, ITS A WHOLE NEW MINI SERIES!!!!! thats so predictably x-men discrimination...

A little taste of irony for Tony and the human population eh?

My only concern is how the exposed identity of Spiderman is going to play out in the long run, and in future books. And it's not like Wanda can do another "House of M" to erase everyone's memories. Unless she corrects the entire situation and brings back the dead from those two events.

 

[Mike059jig]

So-So Issue...but I was impressed the original 4 was in a nice battle squence..

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and Cyclops ...emma frost did actually do something to him...

 

[Mister J]

Yeah, a decent ish; nothing spectacular, but definitely solid. The cliffhanger fight should be good. Too bad it'll likely be delayed to hell with everything else Civil War.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

So-So Issue...but I was impressed the original 4 was in a nice battle squence..

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and Cyclops ...emma frost did actually do something to him...

I heard:

1) Iceman and Angel

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do some sort of fire and ice trick to evade a Sentinel.

2) Cyclops finally lets loose...

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only it's on Bishop.

 

[Mike059jig]

I heard:

1) Iceman and Angel

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do some sort of fire and ice trick to evade a Sentinel.

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Cyclops and Iceman do the fire and Ice trick...the iceman shot ice at the head of the sentinel while cyclops was blasting it..to create ice dust diversion..while angel and Beast start the X-rover up

2) Cyclops finally lets loose...

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only it's on Bishop.

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yeah but he was mind controlled doing it..with General Lazer using Johnny Dee;he was using a puppet he made of Cyclops to control Cyclops

 

[Renegade]

Not sure why, but I feel compelled to give my opinion on this.

I am totally pro-registration in my real-world ideals, but anti-registration in my comic book dreams.

If this were a real situation, there is absolutely no excuse for being a costumed vigilante with unknown abilities doing unauthorized things. It is just too dangerous to let people run amok doing all of these crazy things without any control on it. Too many things get out of control when these heros can do whatever they want. If you really think about it, many of these super-heros have been criminals for one reason or another, and who knows how many of the problems of the past could have been solved with more people being informed about these costumed people running around. How are the average people ever supposed to know who is really good or bad?

On the other hand, it takes a lot of the mystique away when our heros are official. The "cool" factor disappears when these heros are forced to let everyone know who they are and work with the government.

I think a better way to handle it is a super-hero court system. They have to register with the system, but not necessarily with their real identities. Anyone who does not register their superhero identity is subject to criminal charges. But, then, there is a court system separate for trying cases regarding heros and their actions. Sort of how the Justice league works in the DCU. In a similar fashion, they are a giant organization that monitors all of the heros. In this way, they can hold each other accountable.

I guess I am mostly split on the issue. I think it is insane to think that these super-powered people have no one to hold them accountable. I think what they want is a bit extreme (obviously for good story-telling) but something HAS to be done, in my opinion.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

Not sure why, but I feel compelled to give my opinion on this.

I am totally pro-registration in my real-world ideals, but anti-registration in my comic book dreams.

If this were a real situation, there is absolutely no excuse for being a costumed vigilante with unknown abilities doing unauthorized things. It is just too dangerous to let people run amok doing all of these crazy things without any control on it. Too many things get out of control when these heros can do whatever they want. If you really think about it, many of these super-heros have been criminals for one reason or another, and who knows how many of the problems of the past could have been solved with more people being informed about these costumed people running around. How are the average people ever supposed to know who is really good or bad?

On the other hand, it takes a lot of the mystique away when our heros are official. The "cool" factor disappears when these heros are forced to let everyone know who they are and work with the government.

I think a better way to handle it is a super-hero court system. They have to register with the system, but not necessarily with their real identities. Anyone who does not register their superhero identity is subject to criminal charges. But, then, there is a court system separate for trying cases regarding heros and their actions. Sort of how the Justice league works in the DCU. In a similar fashion, they are a giant organization that monitors all of the heros. In this way, they can hold each other accountable.

I guess I am mostly split on the issue. I think it is insane to think that these super-powered people have no one to hold them accountable. I think what they want is a bit extreme (obviously for good story-telling) but something HAS to be done, in my opinion.

You raised some good points. But you also have to remember what happened on Genosha. more than 300 mutants dead... Yet no one was accountable for that. Who's going to stand trial for that crime?

Plus, the Sentinels are suppose to be at the mansion for the X-Men's protection, yet they're under house arrest? It seems there's a more to their presence than meets the eye. And this Civil War story is tying them in very nicely.

 

[Renegade]

I think someone SHOULD be punished for Genosha, but wasn't it Cassandra Nova's fault? Hasn't she been punished? If not, then let's punish her! I don't know what that has to do with making heros comply with making themselves known, though. I mean, if we want to talk about Genosha, what about the mutant massacre? I just don't know what that has to do with making heros show themselves to prevent loose cannons abusing power.

 

[Renegade]

To be fair: I have not read a lot about the Civil War, I only know what is going on. I understand that the government did not respond to the killing of Genoshans the way they are responding to Stamford, and that is a double standard...but that's not the point for me. Two wrongs do not make a right. We failed to begin fighting terrorism in the nineties, well, after the attacks on the WTC, we finally decided to do something about it. Does that make what happened in the nineties wrong? Isn't hindsight 20/20? Did they screw up in their response to Genosha? Duh, yeah! But, if they want to fix that mistake, I say better late than never.

I guess I'm funny though, I want them to make a law that heros must register, because my thoughts on it is they want to safeguard against heros going crazy (as is often portrayed in JLA with Batman's emergency protocols and such). BUT, I really want the heros to rebel against the law to protect themselves and fight the badguys their own way. I guess that's why I'm all torn about it.

 

[ProfeZZor X]

To be fair: I have not read a lot about the Civil War, I only know what is going on. I understand that the government did not respond to the killing of Genoshans the way they are responding to Stamford, and that is a double standard...but that's not the point for me. Two wrongs do not make a right. We failed to begin fighting terrorism in the nineties, well, after the attacks on the WTC, we finally decided to do something about it. Does that make what happened in the nineties wrong? Isn't hindsight 20/20? Did they screw up in their response to Genosha? Duh, yeah! But, if they want to fix that mistake, I say better late than never.

I guess I'm funny though, I want them to make a law that heros must register, because my thoughts on it is they want to safeguard against heros going crazy (as is often portrayed in JLA with Batman's emergency protocols and such). BUT, I really want the heros to rebel against the law to protect themselves and fight the badguys their own way. I guess that's why I'm all torn about it.

Heroes have been fighting villainry for decades... So why all of a sudden do they need to be accountable for their actions in the way of exposing their very being to everyone. The ramafications can be devastating, as in the case of Peter Parker. Although what he did was stupid, there could be a mutual leaway for both sides.

Navy Seals and other special tactic soldiers are registered with the government, yet have conceiled identities to the public. The same can be done with superheroes.... They can keep their masks, so long as they are registered with the government. They can be given conceiled badges, and can provide that information to the public IF, and only IF - an incident occurs. This way hackers, and other hardcore superhero trackers won't be able to find out their secret identities.

 

[Renegade]

Navy Seals and other special tactic soldiers are registered with the government, yet have conceiled identities to the public. The same can be done with superheroes.... They can keep their masks, so long as they are registered with the government. They can be given conceiled badges, and can provide that information to the public IF, and only IF - an incident occurs. This way hackers, and other hardcore superhero trackers won't be able to find out their secret identities.

Uhhhh... If you read what I wrote earlier, that's what I think should happen...they register with the government, but don't have to reveal their identities!

 

[Max J Power]

Go against theact.

 

[usagicassidy]

Yep, a solid issue, not great, but still a good read. I'm wondering what other Civil War titles I should start picking up.

 

[gothicFLAVOURS]

This last Civil War: X-Men #2 was pretty good, but I'm not liking this new Evangelion-like Sentinels. I like the Mark model, not the one that appeared in this last issue. But they do look more menacing than the other ones.

 

[SMroxs]

I totally hate the new sentinel models. I half expected a Power Ranger to pop out of each one! It's morphing time ya'll!

The sentinels were, IMO, the most menancing of villains and Marvel has allowed them to be neutered. The classic sentinel look, 100's of them advancing on the mutants, that's scary! More importantly they looked believable, like they could exist in real life. These new models would be fine in some manga, but they're out of place in the X-universe.

 

[MoPlaYa]

I just got issue # 2 today and I like to story and I cant wait to see Cyclops and Bishop fight... I think Iceman and Bishop would be a better fight

 

[Mike059jig]

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#3...was bout an all out war and some one gets deeply wounded and unknown to me,Micromax....He was the Casualty of War....General Lazer plan is ruined not entirely though by Cooper and Colonel Reyes...Bishop was about to get killed by Brainwashed Cyclops until he snapped out of it and some Purple hair chick found out Cyclops was Brainwashed due to his Bewildered look after been used.... she explained it to the 198 that its was John Dee Manipulating him as well as some of the 198 in the room....John Dee has got a nasty looking Tentacle Chest..that plays with dolls.......and some of 198 escape to go help the X-men who look out numbered...General Lazer or whoever was able to activated the WMD's in the Facility and it been locked down with the 198 in it....Bishop is in a Bad position and has put in Jeopardy the last remaining Mutants....The WMD are gonna go off in the Facility and is about Label Mutants as an Endagered Species,...thats if they don't do something Quick before the time runs out...Bishop it seems realized he choose the wrong side

 

[usagicassidy]

Any mention of Cecelia gets an A in my book!

Congrats!

 

[triplefive]

so... has the artist not read an x-book in the last 6 years to know that Beast is feline now, because he looks like a blue teddy bear to me. maybe i'm seeing things.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I'm more too pissed off at that ending. They better not kill those mutants. M-Day was bad enough, now killing the few precious mutants left is just annoying.

 

[triplefive]

i totally doubt that they'd do it. they'd be writing themselves into a corner with so little character selection.

 

[Nature's Rising]

Okay, seriously, in this pic, who finds Bobby hot? Okay. Me. I'm not ashamed. Rarrrr! I've always drooled for him, in XML2, etc. Never in movies though...crap, Greg Land has to draw Iceman stat! Lol...although he made the worst Warrens though...warren...hmmmm....

Okay, I'm still waiting for Storm to at least butt-in in this event. This too concerns her you know, as an X-Man and as a mutant.

Although the picture also disturbs me...I always get the funny feeling that they are just explicably implying more that Emma is here to replace Jean. First the PF and now her in a picture with the 4 original X-Men...just a thought. Not a rant.