Sequels X-Men Live-Action TV Show in Development at Fox

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Good luck with this ever happening now..I'd be shocked if Ike warms to Fox on the TV side after the FF fiasco and being sent to the "kiddies" table by Iger, Horn and Feige.

 

[Zarex]

Good luck with this ever happening now..I'd be shocked if Ike warms to Fox on the TV side after the FF fiasco and being sent to the "kiddies" table by Iger, Horn and Feige.

Feige just forced the breakup of Marvel Entertainment over the objections of one of Disney's leading shareholders. If he convinces Iger that the reversion of the FF character family is essential to keeping the MCU money train rolling, I'm sure a deal will get done. Perlmutter doesn't want the Marvel TV division moved over to Disney-ABC Television.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Feige just forced the breakup of Marvel Entertainment over the objections of one of Disney's leading shareholders. If he convinces Iger that the reversion of the FF character family is essential to keeping the MCU money train rolling, I'm sure a deal will get done. Perlmutter doesn't want the Marvel TV division moved over to Disney-ABC Television.

OK, I'll buy it. FF characters for an X-Men TV show.

 

[Zarex]

OK, I'll buy it. FF characters for an X-Men TV show.

I think the deal could be a bit bigger than that. I could see FOX asking for in-perpetuity TV rights, and the two sides settling on a 5 show deal similar to Marvel's arrangement with Netflix.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I won't believe Fox gives up the FF rights until I read an official press release. Would you be shocked if they still believe the property can be salvaged? Wait a few years and let the dust settle, then reboot it again (properly). Hire a good/high profile writer/director and suddenly it doesn't look so grim. The X-franchise looks primed to soar into the stratosphere next summer with Apocalypse, so a well made Foxtastic 4 film in the future with modest B.O. returns could still be built into something much greater when paired with the new young blood of the X films...

 

[Zarex]

I won't believe Fox gives up the FF rights until I read an official press release. Would you be shocked if they still believe the property can be salvaged? Wait a few years and let the dust settle, then reboot it again (properly). Hire a good/high profile writer/director and suddenly it doesn't look so grim. The X-franchise looks primed to soar into the stratosphere next summer with Apocalypse, so a well made Foxtastic 4 film in the future with modest B.O. returns could still be built into something much greater when paired with the new young blood of the X films...

The property can be salvaged. But not by FOX.

FOX would have to invest at least $175M in order for anyone to take the re-reboot seriously. Which would put the break even point somewhere around $475 million assuming a FOX BO take of 50%, Marvel's share 5% of that and marketing costs of $50 million.

So FOX has to hope and pray the next film, coming on the heels of one of the most reviled and worst performing superhero films in history, will do three times the performance at the BO than Fant4stic. And $145M better than their best performing FF film to date.

There's a reason Pixels and Tomorrowland aren't getting sequels. Anyone at Disney or Sony proposing one would be shown the door. And neither is FOX's FF franchise. And I highly doubt that FOX can combine two separate Marvel licensing agreements, even if they wanted to taint the X-Men with their failed franchise.

FOX tried putting out a cheap rights grab and the audience didn't buy it. They'll squeeze what they can out of the Mouse and move on.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

The property can be salvaged. But not by FOX.

FOX would have to invest at least $175M in order for anyone to take the re-reboot seriously. Which would put the break even point somewhere around $475 million assuming a FOX BO take of 50%, Marvel's share 5% of that and marketing costs of $50 million.

So FOX has to hope and pray the next film, coming on the heels of one of the most reviled and worst performing superhero films in history, will do three times the performance at the BO than Fant4stic. And $145M better than their best performing FF film to date.

There's a reason Pixels and Tomorrowland aren't getting sequels. Anyone at Disney or Sony proposing one would be shown the door. And neither is FOX's FF franchise. And I highly doubt that FOX can combine two separate Marvel licensing agreements, even if they wanted to taint the X-Men with their failed franchise.

FOX tried putting out a cheap rights grab and the audience didn't buy it. They'll squeeze what they can out of the Mouse and move on.

I don't think FF will get a sequel, but I wouldn't be shocked with a reboot in a few years. Singer talked about a crossover recently and I'm 100%positive he did it while knowing FFINO was a pile of dog doo. Things might have changed with the degree of negative reception and performance of the film, but if they were ever truly serious about creating a shared universe the extends beyond X-characters, you would think the studio would exhaust all avenues going forward with how to make it work.

I personally hope they do sell the rights.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Good luck with this ever happening now..I'd be shocked if Ike warms to Fox on the TV side after the FF fiasco and being sent to the "kiddies" table by Iger, Horn and Feige.

I can see him being a bit more reasonable if a proper deal is made. I think that 20th Century Fox is going to have to give up a lot to the Walt Disney Company/Marvel Entertainment, but it can be done. If Perlmutter continues to be unreasonable, the Walt Disney Company can just shift Marvel Television over to Marvel Studios or ABC Studios.

I would find it hard to believe that the Walt Disney Company would say no to giving up the live action X-Men television rights in return for things such as the Fantastic Four film rights, 20th Century Fox giving up their cut in X-Men merchandising, giving up distribution rights to the Star Wars films and their ownership of A New Hope, a cut in the profits of the show, etc.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I can see him being a bit more reasonable if a proper deal is made. I think that 20th Century Fox is going to have to give up a lot to the Walt Disney Company/Marvel Entertainment, but it can be done. If Perlmutter continues to be unreasonable, the Walt Disney Company can just shift Marvel Television over to Marvel Studios or ABC Studios.

I.

It's funny you mention this based on the rumor about Marvel TV being removed from the Disney lot. It came out of one of those rumor mill sites so I take it with a grain of salt.
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[marvelrobbins]

I can see him being a bit more reasonable if a proper deal is made. I think that 20th Century Fox is going to have to give up a lot to the Walt Disney Company/Marvel Entertainment, but it can be done. If Perlmutter continues to be unreasonable, the Walt Disney Company can just shift Marvel Television over to Marvel Studios or ABC Studios.

I would find it hard to believe that the Walt Disney Company would say no to giving up the live action X-Men television rights in return for things such as the Fantastic Four film rights, 20th Century Fox giving up their cut in X-Men merchandising, giving up distribution rights to the Star Wars films and their ownership of A New Hope, a cut in the profits of the show, etc.

many of you are being unrealistic expecting fox to give disney or more accuratele Perlmmutter everything he wants just to get one TV show approved.

Fox is business too and that's a very bad deal for them giving away FF,what is left of star wars rights,and any share in X-Men merchandize just to get one tv show approved.

As i have said i will believe an X-Men tv show will happen when i see it.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

many of you are being unrealistic expecting fox to give disney or more accuratele Perlmmutter everything he wants just to get one TV show approved.

Fox is business too and that's a very bad deal for them giving away FF,what is left of star wars rights,and any share in X-Men merchandize just to get one tv show approved.

As i have said i will believe an X-Men tv show will happen when i see it.

What's to stop Disney from intervening again? They basically sided with Feige on the film side and film rights are part of the discussion. Feige, Horn and Iger would be involved, not just Ike.

 

[starscream22]

many of you are being unrealistic expecting fox to give disney or more accuratele Perlmmutter everything he wants just to get one TV show approved.

Fox is business too and that's a very bad deal for them giving away FF,what is left of star wars rights,and any share in X-Men merchandize just to get one tv show approved.

As i have said i will believe an X-Men tv show will happen when i see it.

Hmmm...do I care more about Fox being a greedy business that makes crappy Marvel films or seeing Marvel get them back and do them justice?

.....Tough one.

Meanwhile Fox is loosing money with F4. I'd prefer Marvel buy it back and leave TV rights out of it.

 

[Val_Zod]

many of you are being unrealistic expecting fox to give disney or more accuratele Perlmmutter everything he wants just to get one TV show approved.

Fox is business too and that's a very bad deal for them giving away FF,what is left of star wars rights,and any share in X-Men merchandize just to get one tv show approved.

As i have said i will believe an X-Men tv show will happen when i see it.

It is not a lopsided deal at all. FF is unprofitable for Fox, StarWars distribution is worthless in their hands, and Marvel basically not making any Xmen merch makes Fox cut on the merch pointless, especially as they only get a cut when they have merch with the likeness of their movie version.

Fox only reason for not doing that deal is they hate Disney more than they like making money. People have pointed out how much looks to make with streaming. More than what they could do with the FF, X merch and distribution of Episode 4.

 

[hippie_hunter]

many of you are being unrealistic expecting fox to give disney or more accuratele Perlmmutter everything he wants just to get one TV show approved.

Fox is business too and that's a very bad deal for them giving away FF,what is left of star wars rights,and any share in X-Men merchandize just to get one tv show approved.

As i have said i will believe an X-Men tv show will happen when i see it.

Do I think that the Fantastic Four rights are up for grabs, most likely, definitely not. My point is that there is a lot 21st Century Fox can offer (such as rights, merchandising, Star Wars distribution, etc.) that would be valuable to the Walt Disney Company and Marvel Entertainment and if Ike Perlmutter gets in the way of it, he will be the one to pay.

I can see a deal happening. Just because the X-Men television rights are useless to Disney/Marvel while things such as merchandising rights for the X-Men/Fantastic Four, the Fantastic Four film rights, etc. are useless to Fox. Swapping things around to a holder that can make them useful would be very beneficial to both companies and I think they both see it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Considering Gotham now is almost certinly going to be axed Fox should think twice because giving disney everything to approve one tv show.

Besides a X-Men related tv show would likely be X-factor if it were to happen,and no gurante that would be ratings smash.

 

[Zarex]

Gotham's struggles won't have any impact on whether or not a deal gets done between FOX and Marvel. That show is not a superhero show and (more importantly) is not owned by FOX. There are plenty of successful superhero programs out there, and FOX is committed to getting into that game.

And we don't know the parameters of the agreement. Will it be for one show or a five program Netflix style package? The agreement could even be for unlimited in-perpetuity TV rights if FOX is willing to kick back enough to Mama Marvel.

Given that they would be likely giving up FF rights that hold zero value to FOX - I don't think Star Wars rights will be involved in any agreement - the studio would be foolish to turn down what could be an extremely lucrative arrangement.

 

[Eddie]

Gotham's not one hundred percent apples to apples, but even if it gets cancelled it's made Fox a great deal more money than the FF films (which are likely in the hole after the massive loss of money caused by Fant4stic).

 

[hippie_hunter]

Considering Gotham now is almost certinly going to be axed Fox should think twice because giving disney everything to approve one tv show.

Again you're missing the point. It would be dumb for Fox to give everything over for television rights. My point is that Fox has a lot to offer Disney in return for obtaining the television rights. It's not like one side, Disney or Fox, has a Royal Flush while the other has a 2, a Joker, and that card that contains the legal information.

Also keep in mind that this is Disney we're talking about, who are master dealmakers. This is a company that makes completely out of left field deals like trading Al Michaels of ESPN to NBC Sports in return for four Ryder Cups from NBC and Oswald the Lucky Rabbit from Universal. They made an unprecedented deal with Sony Pictures to share Marvel characters in each others films for free. Or they go completely conventional like the deals they made with Paramount over Indiana Jones and distribution rights over the Marvel Studios films.

With the X-Men TV rights, we may get something simple like just money being exchanged. Or we may get something like a swap like 20th Century Fox giving up A New Hope and early termination of Star Wars distribution or something Marvel related like merchandising or Fantastic Four. Who knows. But both sides have something that the other side wants. And both sides have reasonable people at the helm as opposed to the more petty and vindictive Ike Perlmutter. And I do think that regardless of what form the deal takes, whether it be out of left field, unprecedented, or completely boring and conventional, one will happen.

 

[SuperT]

Agreed. I think a deal is going to happen it's just a matter of what kind of deal.

 

[starscream22]

Considering Gotham now is almost certinly going to be axed Fox should think twice because giving disney everything to approve one tv show.

Besides a X-Men related tv show would likely be X-factor if it were to happen,and no gurante that would be ratings smash.

Wait.... wasn't Gotham 4th place on Monday with close to 5 Million viewers?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The jury is still out on Gotham. We don't know where it is going to settle yet. It certainly isn't a foregone conclusion that it will be gone. It should be okay if it stays above 1.1 or so in the 18-49 demo, given Fox's struggles elsewhere.

Now Minority Report, that's a dead show walking.

 

[starscream22]

The jury is still out on Gotham. We don't know where it is going to settle yet. It certainly isn't a foregone conclusion that it will be gone. It should be okay if it stays above 1.1 or so in the 18-49 demo, given Fox's struggles elsewhere.

Now Minority Report, that's a dead show walking.

Lucifer doesn't sound much better.

 

[Zant]

I don't really want a live action Xmen show. I prefer a deal for an animated show to possible save us from the average Marvel animated shows currently airing.

Live action comicbook shows are not doing so well ratings wise on the major 4 Networks. Unless Fox wants to squeeze out 4 seasons for syndication purposes like ABC is doing with AOS. I don't have much hope for a live action Xmen show to be a ratings hit.

Its like people prefer to watch their Comic book media on the big screen and on Netflix of course.

 

[Flint Marko]

I have no interest in more comic book films on network television. The medium isn't one that particularly catches my interest, even though I like Arrow and Agents of SHIELD/Agent Carter.

 

[x-er]

I feel it depends on how fresh the series would be and also on the chemistry in the cast. The one advantage Fox has is the ensemble cast. Think Heroes, Sense8, or even the underrated H+ (which I loved and am still waiting on for round 2!!).