Sequels X-Men Live-Action TV Show in Development at Fox

[Zarex]

I just think that Hawley pitched the idea of Legion existing in a mutant-free world and Noah has the juice to get his way.

 

[2kt09]

They (Sony, Viacom, Fox) were never allowed to make shows (animated or otherwise) with Marvel without those tv rights.
I figure this being the same except Disney is loaning them those rights. We haven't gotten a single insight toward greater Marvel Studio contribution.
So, I will for the time being take these to be as any other non-Disney Marvel show we've had which were also "co-productions".

The DC thing is just to let networks and the subsequent showrunners do what they wish without tangibly connecting to the movie-verse.

 

[Eddie]

That's not actually accurate. Sony previously did have animated television rights for Spidey. That changed after a renegotiation (that's how Spectacular was cancelled). The issue with Fox seems to be that they didn't have television rights (Marvel produced multiple X-Men animated shows without Fox), but the somewhat unclear contract prevented Marvel from doing any live action Mutant stuff on television (ahem, Mutant X lawsuit).

 

[2kt09]

That's not actually accurate. Sony previously did have animated television rights for Spidey. That changed after a renegotiation (that's how Spectacular was cancelled). The issue with Fox seems to be that they didn't have television rights (Marvel produced multiple X-Men animated shows without Fox), but the somewhat unclear contract prevented Marvel from doing any live action Mutant stuff on television (ahem, Mutant X lawsuit).

was this just "animated"? I read tv rights, in general, and that's just the medium used for tv.
Then, it's just Viacom, Sony and Disney.

 

[Eddie]

The television stuff has always been weird and inconsistent. Sometimes animation is with a studio that licenses the film stuff (Sony previously had TV animation, Torch wasn't in a Fantastic Four cartoon due to his film rights being acquired separately from the FF at the time), but nowadays Marvel seems to have secured TV animation (they definitely have Spidey, FF, and X-Men, as they've used all of them in multiple shows).

 

[2kt09]

That Torch situation has nothing to do with the distinction between animation and live-action, and everything to do with the distinction between tv and movie.

Sony sold off the tv rights when Disney was acquiring Marvel Entertainment, so of course Marvel now has everything on the tv front.

 

[Eddie]

The Spidey television rights aren't quite that simple either. The deal for animation didn't give Marvel live action television, hence the newspaper in Daredevil not being the Bugle.

 

[2kt09]

The Spidey television rights aren't quite that simple either. The deal for animation didn't give Marvel live action television, hence the newspaper in Daredevil not being the Bugle.

This seems so

 

[Eddie]

Yep, television rights are crazy. Look at the bright side, though. That Marvel and Fox have to co-produce at least gets them in a room together from time to time. Hopefully relations improve through this.

 

[SuperT]

Incredibly disappointing to hear Legion won't be tied to the movie universe. What's the point of doing an X-Men show if it's not going to be tied to the movies?!

I hope this won't be the same deal with Hellfire.

 

[Eddie]

It's probably the same deal with Hellfire. And that allegedly has a bit more Marvel involvement than Legion...

 

[SuperT]

Incredibly stupid. What's the point of having the same executive producing team from the movies as the EP's for the shows if they're not tied to the movie universe?! A waste of time just like the DC shows not having any connection to the movies.

 

[Eddie]

It seems those X-Men movie producers are just as much "producer in name only" as people say Loeb is. With Hellfire, everyone previously announced outside of the "Executive Producer" roles is gone. Fox didn't just lose the two showrunners. They lost the two writers that allegedly co-created the concept for the show in the first place.

 

[-JKR-]

Incredibly stupid. What's the point of having the same executive producing team from the movies as the EP's for the shows if they're not tied to the movie universe?! A waste of time just like the DC shows not having any connection to the movies.

WHy is that a waste of time? It's still a TV series you're gonna be able to enjoy...

 

[Eddie]

Bit presumptuous to assume someone will automatically love it...

(not gonna lie, I kinda find it hilarious that multiple diehard X-Men film fans lost so much hype once they found out it wasn't connected to that specific version)

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think there has been this believe that fox were trying to copy marvel with TV shows and movies in the same universe when really it's probably more like the DC shows

I don't think they are trying to connect this to the marvels MCU either like some may be hoping

 

[Eddie]

They were calling it an "extension" of their film stuff originally, though...

And the DC shows will always be a bad analogy. Time Warner and it's subsidiaries are known to be mismanaged , bureaucratic messes on a business level (not dissing the creative output, just business, as they've done a few of my favorites). The chance of a connected megauniverse from Warner was always iffy at best. It took them ages to finally do connected films despite the idea being out there for years.

 

[2kt09]

Legion is most clearly out going by recent news, but full confirmation will happen when it airs. I've read a lot of non-fans' interests piqued because of the Fargo writer, so I'm checking that out to see what the hub-bub is about.

Hellfire Club's description still has "go deeper with some of these characters" and "experience this expanded world", which just sounds like the Gotham/Agent Carter of X-Men adaptations. There hasn't been any similar declaration that this period piece isn't connected.

 

[SuperT]

It's just incredibly dumb to set Hellfire in the 60's and not connect it to X-Men: First Class which was also set in the 60's. Especially since two of the actors that were apart of the Hellfire Club in First Class are also TV actors who have both finished up their last big tv projects. They're ripe for the taking.

They keep saying they want to make this all encompassing X-Men universe but then every choice they make says the complete opposite.

 

[Eddie]

Frankly you have a better chance of getting an all encompassing X-Men franchise if Marvel and Fox pull a Spidey deal. Fox has always had continuity issues. Marvel knows how to do a megafranchise. Fox, not so much.

 

[SuperT]

I don't particularly think they need to partner with Marvel to make a competent connected universe - Marvel Studios isn't the end all, be all and their universe isn't without it's flaws either.

Fox, specifically with the X-Men franchise, just needs to lay out a plan which they haven't other than vague references. I guess we'll see once Deadpool and Apocalypse shakes out but right now they're kind of aimless, or at least, keeping cards close to the vest which isn't particularly a confidence booster to fans.

 

[Eddie]

Even their X-Men rights don't include everything you'd probably like to see as an X-Men fan. Things like the Savage Land, for example, are with Marvel despite the major X-Men connections. Cooperation wouldn't necessarily have to mean Nick Fury in every other X-Men film. It could frankly offer up more creative freedom to the X-Men directors and writers than they currently have (Tim Miller would like Taskmaster in a Deadpool film, for example, and it seems that can't currently happen).

 

[GuestStar2004]

A joint universe with marvel is all fantasy, heck Sony were not prepared to do it until they had financial trouble

In typical fox fashion they are probably playing it safe in case these shows don't do well and so they won't effect the film universe, same way F4 managed to avoid that mistake

 

[Eddie]

Sony did a "play it safe" renegotiation with Marvel a few years back. It improved the overall relationship while still keeping the Spider-Man films separate. Look where we are now...

 

[jaymes_e06]

I don't particularly think they need to partner with Marvel to make a competent connected universe - Marvel Studios isn't the end all, be all and their universe isn't without it's flaws either.

Fox, specifically with the X-Men franchise, just needs to lay out a plan which they haven't other than vague references. I guess we'll see once Deadpool and Apocalypse shakes out but right now they're kind of aimless, or at least, keeping cards close to the vest which isn't particularly a confidence booster to fans.

This.