Apocalypse X-men Movie Continuity Explained!

[psylockolussus]

and you seem to be ignoring all the changes they are doing In Apocalypse.you could even include deadpool in this.Singer himself in set videos said the future scenes are ilrelvent as they could just ignore them in future.how much clearer does it has to be with exception of first class and 1973 parts of DOFP all the other past films are ilrelvent.the new wolverine film may join them if they dismiss future ending of DOFP.how knows even about deadpool.they could introduce Iceman,Kitty,rogue,iceman,colossus in next X-Men film if they wanted.

Apocalypse is not even out yet, so I'm not gonna talk about that like as if I've seen it. But still, they used Professor X's wheelchair from X1, so God knows what more similarities will there be with the original trilogy.

And no, Singer didn't say The future scene in DOFP is irrelevant, like seriously he said its not be all of things but it didn't say its irrelevant.

 

[psylockolussus]

I doubt someone new to the series would make the connection there or be particularly confused, especially since nothing happens with those three.

It could easily just be a girl with a white streak, a redhead in a red dress and a guy with Oakley's.

It's an Easter Egg, not a story element.

So basically just a pointless scene that made Wolverine all surprised? It pretty much takes the away the element of surprise if thats the case. And no thats not an easter egg.

Someone new to the series won't get that scene period if that person haven't seen the original trilogy and The Wolverine.

 

[The Guard]

So?

Why should every moment of a sequel to sequel to sequel cater to people who haven't bothered to see the preceding movies?

They might have gotten that MOMENT, but the scene and its overall context? Still pretty easy to understand.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

So?

Why should every moment of a sequel to sequel to sequel cater to people who haven't bothered to see the preceding movies?

They might have gotten that MOMENT, but the scene and its overall context? Still pretty easy to understand.

Agreed. If you know you going to see a sequel but haven't seen movies before this then it your own fault if you not understand things that referenced or happen in previous film.

 

[dax]

Don't forget about THE WOLVERINE as well. The only film you "could" in theory wipe out is ORIGINS, which is okay.

I don't think so. Parts of Origins: Wolverine took place before the events of First Class (it did begin in 1845) and Wolverine's appearance in First Class is, in itself, an acknowledgement of Origins' existence.

 

[night0205]

Let us be honest. The main reason people talk about "wiping out" Origins was because they didn't like it. Seems like the main reason people want to "wipe out" the OT was because they didn't like Last Stand. I'll be honest, I don't want to "wipe out" the OT because I like it. Multiple timelines makes a shared universe interesting, because it really hasn't been done like this. Star Trek did it, but no one sees it as anything else but a reboot, because it is. I think Terminator did it, but it sucked. Bryan Singer already bragged about all the movies being in same Saga/Universe...they even show them all in DOFP, so...your opinion means nothing, and neither does mine, when it comes to the official canon/statement from the filmmakers.

 

[GuestStar2004]

thing about wiping out origins is that it's the only full origin movie for wolverine we are gonna get for a very long time so it probably should be appreciated for being an origin story for him

But as time goes on there just seems to be more and more retcons toward origins that it feels like they ain't really taking origins into account at all and even if you took wolverines part into account and say it could still fit in with origins then it looks like everything else around wolverine seems to be getting a redo or whatever, but a redo with no real thought for origin continuity

 

[night0205]

Give examples as to how they have retconed Origins. Origins fits pretty seamlessly into the OT, and because DOFP shows the current timeline to be in a completely different timeline altogether, there is no contradiction. The only real controversial film is FC, because Matthew Vaughn didn't respect the franchise in the sense of continuity. Now I like FC, so don't get me wrong, but it "was" originally a reboot.

 

[Flint Marko]

X-men movie continuity explained: they are going to do whatever they want whenever they want however they want regardless of what happened in previous films.

 

[night0205]

"...when Fox rang me up and said, "Do you want a chance to reboot X-Men and put your stamp all over it?" When they told me that, I thought they were joking at first, and then they told me it would happen in the '60s against the Cuban missile crisis as the backdrop, I thought, "God, this sounds cool. Why not? Let's do it." - Matthew Vaughn
Read more at http://www.superherohype.com/featur...s-director-matthew-vaughn#TIwdTOQtO9fx2pLt.99

 

[GuestStar2004]

Give examples as to how they have retconed Origins. Origins fits pretty seamlessly into the OT, and because DOFP shows the current timeline to be in a completely different timeline altogether, there is no contradiction. The only real controversial film is FC, because Matthew Vaughn didn't respect the franchise in the sense of continuity. Now I like FC, so don't get me wrong, but it "was" originally a reboot.

Thing is FC most certainly wasn't a reboot, bryan set it up as a prequel but he chose to ignore certain things like charles and eric not being 17 for the sake of the story so while you can decide its a reboot it was never mean't to be a reboot.

When it comes to origins its safe to say emma frost was retconned, a different version of blob may have a cameo in Apocalypse, deadpool was retconned, gambit may feel a little retconned, sabertooth doesn't currently add up with X1 sabertooth and probably won't be explained at all now

Cyclops getting a new origin which may end up contradicting Origins, the age gap for the 2 strykers feels a little off when DOFP and the part where stryker finds logan in origins would only be a couple of years apart

its like they are cherry picking bits out of origins to redo while all thats left is the wolverine stuff left uneffected at the moment

 

[night0205]

X-men movie continuity explained: they are going to do whatever they want whenever they want however they want regardless of what happened in previous films.

Post-DOFP, FC had this mentality. But DOFP showed that they very much wanted to not only stick with continuity, but wanted to fix the continuity of the past. There are many examples of this, including, Professor X walking, Beast not blue, and the whole pitch of multiple universes shows that in reality you can explain any contradiction by playing that card. You may not like that card, but they played it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There are many examples of this, including, Professor X walking, Beast not blue,

I am almost certain those were just a coincidence for the story and wasn't done to explain anything

 

[night0205]

No they said they were specifically addressing contradictions in the series and attempting to fix them. You can view the comic con interviews leading up to DOFP.

 

[GuestStar2004]

"...when Fox rang me up and said, "Do you want a chance to reboot X-Men and put your stamp all over it?" When they told me that, I thought they were joking at first, and then they told me it would happen in the '60s against the Cuban missile crisis as the backdrop, I thought, "God, this sounds cool. Why not? Let's do it." - Matthew Vaughn
Read more at http://www.superherohype.com/featur...s-director-matthew-vaughn#TIwdTOQtO9fx2pLt.99

its safe to say that if you go and read a bryan singer IGN interview from 2011 you will find out that alot of the decisions were bryan singers idea, he had a hand in story,design,casting and post production and he also talks about how he couldn't use certain characters because it was to early in the timeline and why he decided to use beast and mystique because you couldn't tell how old they were in the OT

So most of the stuff that was changed was all his idea and he wasn't making it as a reboot, Vaughn may have added those cerebro cameos and his prefered beasts new look but apart from that it wasn't constructed as reboot

But look at toad in DOFP, that one is a strange one because he doesn't add up with X1 toad at all.

this is what bryan has to say about continuity

"Some things you let go. In X-Men 3 Bolivar Trask was an African-American guy, in X-Men 1 I personally wrote the line that of course I now regret: ‘When I was 17, I met a young man named Erik Lensherr’ and then in X-Men: First Class I changed that! Some of these I hope the audience will forget about but for the bulk of it I pay attention to the universe."

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Brya...-Certain-X-Men-Continuity-Problems-43018.html

 

[night0205]

Of course Bryan Singer said that with DOFP, FC was already made. Thus my statement FC "was" a reboot, but no longer. But Matthew Vaughn viewed it as a reboot and made it as one, with Bryan Singer allowing it. All that quote shows is that he is taking responsibility for his mistakes in the past.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Of course Bryan Singer said that with DOFP, FC was already made. Thus my statement FC "was" a reboot, but no longer. But Matthew Vaughn viewed it as a reboot and made it as one, with Bryan Singer allowing it. All that quote shows is that he is taking responsibility for his mistakes in the past.

Well really when you hear what ideas were bryans for FC whats really left for vaughn for reboot? beasts look? yes he didn't like X3, the camoes on cerebro? they were minor, magnetos accent? yes vaughn liked the accent fassbender tried and they kept it

So what is there that vaughn rebooted? he recreated the X1 opening, he kept alot of the effects from the OT including mystiques transformation

So unless we say bryan was rebooting then what was rebooted? because apart from what bryan retconned there wasn't much

Again i could throw in DOFP toad for being different when its not a reboot but bryan changed him and probably won't acknowledge the change now

 

[Tilapia]

I don't even know what to make of these statements at this point. Just sounds like a bunch of damage control to placate the loyal fan base. They completely screwed it up and it's impossible to save face. I will say, the franchise just needs a fresh face at this point. Let Apocalypse be the swan song for Singer and Vaughn, certainly as director. He's not the guy going forward. The statement that the end credit scene in DoFP is still open to further changes? You might as well do another time travel flick to wipe out the FC continuity so we can have another universe with some semblance of cohesion and chronology.

And with that new set picture, if Magneto ends up marrying Xavier at the end of the film, that should be the end to Singer's X-Men period. Ideally, an actual Age of Apocalypse story would have perfectly fit this monstrosity of a timeline, because things would have officially reset, again. How much are they gonna be held hostage by the DoFP ending now?

I didn't read every tidbit of info that came out, but unless they already ruled it out, Apocaclypse should have or at least be implied to have time traveling abilities. Then you can explain away that the DoFP ending is perhaps one that never featured the advent of Apocalypse, such that Apocalypse in 1983 is yet another major ripple that manifests in a brand new timeline. This would take a page directly from AoA and would explain the fresh start to certain characters. I think something as such would have leaked by now if that was the direction they pursued, so not counting on that one.

 

[psylockolussus]

So?

Why should every moment of a sequel to sequel to sequel cater to people who haven't bothered to see the preceding movies?

They might have gotten that MOMENT, but the scene and its overall context? Still pretty easy to understand.

I don't know what you are talking about.

All I was saying was to view the COMPLETE picture of the series - it won't be just Apocalypse/First Class/DOFP from now on.

 

[psylockolussus]

"...when Fox rang me up and said, "Do you want a chance to reboot X-Men and put your stamp all over it?" When they told me that, I thought they were joking at first, and then they told me it would happen in the '60s against the Cuban missile crisis as the backdrop, I thought, "God, this sounds cool. Why not? Let's do it." - Matthew Vaughn
Read more at http://www.superherohype.com/featur...s-director-matthew-vaughn#TIwdTOQtO9fx2pLt.99

And obviously they didn't make First Class a reboot, they pretty much marketed it as the prequel to the original trilogy. They even had X3's wheelchair shot in the trailer of First Class, so they basically contradicted themselves by calling a reboot when in fact it wasn't. Then The Wolverine came, X3 still existed. Then 1 year later, the original cast were back in the big screen.

 

[The Guard]

I don't know what you are talking about.

All I was saying was to view the COMPLETE picture of the series - it won't be just Apocalypse/First Class/DOFP from now on.

But...you didn't say that...

You said:

"So basically just a pointless scene that made Wolverine all surprised? It pretty much takes the away the element of surprise if thats the case. And no thats not an easter egg.

Someone new to the series won't get that scene period if that person haven't seen the original trilogy and The Wolverine."

You were specifically talking about a particular moment/connection involving Logan.

 

[2kt09]

There was a really beautiful piece among a sea of interesting blog posts that explained nearly every scenario. There's even an editorial outlining comic precedence for the major inconsistencies (Xavier altering memories; Frost clones).
Every time this comes up, so many of the roads lead to Origins: Wolverine and First Class.
And for both, the case has been the same - these prequels retcon enough to establish a new, rebooted continuity. The difference being practically everyone wants to forget Origins, while sequels to First Class CAN do whatever they want as long they don't pull another of either 2.
DOFP doesn't contradict.
The Wolverine is referential enough to be perceived as a sequel to TLS, yet vague enough to exist within the rebooted franchise.

For me, the OT is it's own thing that I like/love and don't feel the need to connect them to the current direction. Any characters played by those OT actors are different characters in this continuity, so their brief developments should only be judged as such.

 

[marvelrobbins]

In same interview when matthew vaughn kind of call first class a reboot he also says first Class and any sequels take place before events of first X-Men film.there is a lot more of them calling first class a prequel.

I personly don't feel like DOFP solved any issues they just by time travel changes erased all the films that would conterdict First Class.

the debate keeps going because filmmakers don't want to give a clear answer.
In set visits singers comments opens door to just ignore the future ending.
In video chat he had he says X-Men films haven't rebooted.yet In set visits and DOFp commantary he clearly says time travel erased X1-3.and In interviews
he calls Apocalypse culmination of 6 films,which makes no sense.

 

[dax]

Thing is FC most certainly wasn't a reboot, bryan set it up as a prequel but he chose to ignore certain things like charles and eric not being 17 for the sake of the story so while you can decide its a reboot it was never mean't to be a reboot.

When it comes to origins its safe to say emma frost was retconned, a different version of blob may have a cameo in Apocalypse, deadpool was retconned, gambit may feel a little retconned, sabertooth doesn't currently add up with X1 sabertooth and probably won't be explained at all now

Cyclops getting a new origin which may end up contradicting Origins, the age gap for the 2 strykers feels a little off when DOFP and the part where stryker finds logan in origins would only be a couple of years apart

its like they are cherry picking bits out of origins to redo while all thats left is the wolverine stuff left uneffected at the moment

Sabertooth DOES add up with X1 Sabertooth. Did you not notice the way he became overly attached to Wolverine's dog tags? The way he dodged Cyclops's laser beams? And the way he was obsessed with Storm? Origins showed that Sabertooth was aware of Wolverine volunteering for the weapon X experiment and that Stryker made those dog tags for him. The movie also showed Sabertooth chasing after Cyclops in his high school and there's an extended version of the scene where Wolverine leaves Team X and Storm walks in standing in front of Sabertooth.

Origins and X1 still connect with each other when it comes to Sabertooth's history with Wolverine but Emma Frost and Stryker's age gap is a continuity error on Singer's part. The other character changes doesn't really retcon Origins since only Wolverine (and Xavier) remembers the events of that movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Sabertooth DOES add up with X1 Sabertooth. Did you not notice the way he became overly attached to Wolverine's dog tags? The way he dodged Cyclops's laser beams? And the way he was obsessed with Storm? Origins showed that Sabertooth was aware of Wolverine volunteering for the weapon X experiment and that Stryker made those dog tags for him.

Thing is the Sabertooth character from X1 is nothing like the one from origins, the one from origins was way more vocal and if he recognised wolverine why didn't he say anything? and if he didn't then why not? because something happened that he don't know about? thats not a good way to add things up

Maybe they would have followed it up in an origins sequel but we probably won't get that now