X-Men - Part 1

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Because fire was starting to shoot out of her eyes when she used her powers too! There were actual grounds for concern there. But a man of power straying sexually? That's as common as breathing these days, so to pull Scott aside for it and question his decision-making abilities would be kind of ridiculous.

not when Lobdell was writing her...which is when it happened

and im not talking about the cheating....im talking about everything past Jean's death. In any other situation if a man's wife dies and he bring another woman in immediately after its look upon as not right...and in some cases it makes you suspect number one if the wife died under questionable circumstances
 
Of course! It was Scott who induced Jean's stroke via magnetic pulse while disguised as Magneto disguised as Xorn!
 
Of course! It was Scott who induced Jean's stroke via magnetic pulse while disguised as Magneto disguised as Xorn!

no i brought that up because this happened at the same time Scott Peterson was doing the exact same thing
 
I see what roach is saying and it bears consideration.

Scott is leader of the X-Men.
He's having an affair (though it's a telepathic one, so it's akin to "Scott's thinking dirty thoughts with Emma" Sort of a psychic cybering level of cheating)
His marriage is on the rocks and....
New York is devastated, mutantkind is blasted for "Magneto's" assault on the city, the student body (teenagers the mansion is entrusted with) are involved in this madness, and then his wife dies.

So Scott responds with....Emma is now sleeping in his room. She's not visiting now and then, she's got her own half of a closet, a dresser, and a tooth brush. She is, essentially, living with Scott.

It raises some flags and it would raise questions. After the amount of emotional trauma Scott went through (heck, goes through on a regular basis), he's prime candidate for seeing a therapist from time to time to make sure he's coping, handling everything, etc. You've got Xavier who is about the best choice you can get.

Problem, though, is Emma is a psychic and she's sort of the X-Men's resident "therapist" at this point, which points to all kinds of ethical debate of conflict of interest. Surgeons don't operate on their own family, therapists aren't supposed to have family as clients if I'm not mistaken.

But technically Wolverine DID pull Scott aside in Astonishing and voice his concerns....by sitting crouched on the footboard of their bed until they woke up. He was blasted out the window. ;)
 
It would've been nice if Charles talked to Scott about it, but he was too busy rekindling his old relationship with Erik in Genosha at the time.
 
I see what roach is saying and it bears consideration.

Scott is leader of the X-Men.
He's having an affair (though it's a telepathic one, so it's akin to "Scott's thinking dirty thoughts with Emma" Sort of a psychic cybering level of cheating)
His marriage is on the rocks and....
New York is devastated, mutantkind is blasted for "Magneto's" assault on the city, the student body (teenagers the mansion is entrusted with) are involved in this madness, and then his wife dies.

So Scott responds with....Emma is now sleeping in his room. She's not visiting now and then, she's got her own half of a closet, a dresser, and a tooth brush. She is, essentially, living with Scott.

It raises some flags and it would raise questions. After the amount of emotional trauma Scott went through (heck, goes through on a regular basis), he's prime candidate for seeing a therapist from time to time to make sure he's coping, handling everything, etc. You've got Xavier who is about the best choice you can get.

Problem, though, is Emma is a psychic and she's sort of the X-Men's resident "therapist" at this point, which points to all kinds of ethical debate of conflict of interest. Surgeons don't operate on their own family, therapists aren't supposed to have family as clients if I'm not mistaken.

But technically Wolverine DID pull Scott aside in Astonishing and voice his concerns....by sitting crouched on the footboard of their bed until they woke up. He was blasted out the window. ;)

yeah why didnt I just type this....I was never talking about the cheating...just Scott's way of dealing with Jean's death by moving Emma in. Give me a few issues of Scott dealing with Jean's death. Show me Scott courting Emma. Show the awkwardness of dating again after Jean. Show me the start of a relationship.
All we got was them in a relationship. Living together. To me there was a wrongness to it. I think a lot of people picked up on it to because at the beginning a lot of readers suspected it was part of a plot to destroy the X-men from within.
 
If no one questioned Scott's decision making skills back when he formed X-Factor, they sure as hell weren't going to do it after Jean died. When he formed X-Factor, he was cheating on his wife and abandoning his baby.

Sicne Maddie was a clone of Jean Grey, one can argue that he was with Jean all those time even when she was absent.
 
Emma dating Scott to destroy the X-Men from within would've been even more stupid than Scott taking Emma under his sheets 5 minutes after his wife's death. Scott has a long history of being terrible at relationship decisions, but Emma has been working for the X-Men since 94 or 95.
 
yes he can make his own decisions...but when his decisions also mean life and death for his team mates its another thing. Its why people always call for a politician to quit after an adultry claim is made. Its not because they are prudes. Its because it shows a lack of decision making ability.

I had a similar situation happen during my time in the US Navy. I had a Captain who was cheating on his wife and when it came out he was relived of command.

The thing is when he hooked up with Emma and was the Headmaster of the school for a while before the X-Men took on the more military edge.

no one had a right to stop it...but I think he shouldnt have led the X-men until he got evaluated

Evaluated?!? C'mon that's silly....

well to be honest Angel put X-Factor together and Jean and Scott didnt date during this time..nor did they start immediately after Madelynn died during Inferno....if I remember correctly they didnt get back together until the Blue and Gold era

No, it was right after Inferno. Before Inferno, Jean was pushing Scott to go back to Maddie (even back then she was pushing him to another woman), then his son was kidnapped and she helped him get baby Cable back. Inferno happened, Maddie died and they became a family until Scott had to send Nathan to the future. By the time X-Men was launched in 91, they had been together again for a while.
 
The thing is when he hooked up with Emma and was the Headmaster of the school for a while before the X-Men took on the more military edge.

im not talking about the cheating...im talking about someone who's wife dies and he doesnt grieve...doesnt really deal with it and moves the next chick in immediately.That right there should have been a signal that something wasnt right.

Evaluated?!? C'mon that's silly....
the guys wife died...he didnt grieve...he didnt take it bad...he moved his gf in immediately. Thats pretty much grounds for someone to check to see if his head is on straight


No, it was right after Inferno. Before Inferno, Jean was pushing Scott to go back to Maddie (even back then she was pushing him to another woman), then his son was kidnapped and she helped him get baby Cable back. Inferno happened, Maddie died and they became a family until Scott had to send Nathan to the future. By the time X-Men was launched in 91, they had been together again for a while.

they did not get back together immediately after Inferno. Jean was dealing with having the phoenix/madelynn memories back and was still mad at Scott for leaving Madelynn...there was a period of time before they got back together
Madelynn's funeral was X-factor 40 which led into the Nanny and Orphan maker confrontation.

issue 43-46 the ship flew into space and Jean had issues with Madelynn and Phoenix memories...still not dating.
issue 48-50 was planet of the mutant storyline and Jean and Scott had a good bit of time together...still not dating
issue 53 Scott asks Jean to marry him...she says no and takes a leave of absense from the team.
This lead into the Days of Future Perfect...where Jean met Rachel for the first time and was upset that fate was making decisions and not her...still not dating
Issue 68..was the issue where Scott gives up nathan and they begin dating...
...this led into the Blue/Gold era
 
If no one questioned Scott's decision making skills back when he formed X-Factor, they sure as hell weren't going to do it after Jean died. When he formed X-Factor, he was cheating on his wife and abandoning his baby.
Not true. Scott never cheated on Maddie. He and Jean did not get together until after he saw Maddie die on TV, nearly 25 issues later. He actually thought she had died earlier circa X-factor 13, but even after that, he and Jean didnt reunite. People always make it seem like he and Jean were having some hot heavy affair as soon as he left for NY, when that most definetly was not the case. They were platonic friends whom acknowledged their past and attraction, but did not pursue a relationship with each other bc he did have a wife out there. Seeing Maddie die pretty much was the final nail in the coffin to that marriage and freed him up to move on with Jean. Unbeknowist to him, Maddie "death" didnt last long as she was given another chance at life by Roma

No, it was right after Inferno. Before Inferno, Jean was pushing Scott to go back to Maddie (even back then she was pushing him to another woman), then his son was kidnapped and she helped him get baby Cable back. Inferno happened, Maddie died and they became a family until Scott had to send Nathan to the future. By the time X-Men was launched in 91, they had been together again for a while.
This is true. Scott proposed to Jean sometime after Judgement War and Jean declined. They definetly were together after Fall of the Mutants, but not before that

they did not get back together immediately after Inferno. Jean was dealing with having the phoenix/madelynn memories back and was still mad at Scott for leaving Madelynn...there was a period of time before they got back together
Madelynn's funeral was X-factor 40 which led into the Nanny and Orphan maker confrontation.

issue 43-46 the ship flew into space and Jean had issues with Madelynn and Phoenix memories...still not dating.
issue 48-50 was planet of the mutant storyline and Jean and Scott had a good bit of time together...still not dating
issue 53 Scott asks Jean to marry him...she says no and takes a leave of absense from the team.
This lead into the Days of Future Perfect...where Jean met Rachel for the first time and was upset that fate was making decisions and not her...still not dating
Issue 68..was the issue where Scott gives up nathan and they begin dating...
...this led into the Blue/Gold era
You got it wrong buddy. Scott and Jean got back together pretty much after Fall of the Mutants. They were most definetly a couple prior to Blue/Gold era
 
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not when Lobdell was writing her...which is when it happened
technically it was Seagle who had Jean expanding her limits and returning to the Phoenix name. Lobdell's last story (if im not mistaken) was the Trial of Gambit which was right before Scott and Jean's leave of absence and the addition of Maggot, Cecilia Reyes, and Marrow. but i get what youre saying- as much as i want to blame Morrison for ruining of my favorite characters and couples, it didnt start with him.
 
Here's some panels from X-Factor #26, March '88 the final issue of the Fall of the Mutants crossover. Before Inferno and waaaay before X-Men #1 in '91. Remember Maddie and the X-Men were declared "dead" at the end of the Fall of the Mutants crossover in UXM.


Roach, I'm not trying to rub it in, I just like taking these trips down memory lane for readers that have not been around that long. :yay:
 

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Had to re-edit, pics must have been too big to paste directly into the post. :(
 
Im not debating the moral right or wrongness of it. Scott's actions called into question his decision making abilities.
I dont know maybe I'm a little more sensitive to it because in the military a commander who commits adultery is instantly removed from command. Or maybe I just wanted to see his friends pull him aside to make sure he was alright...I mean these are the same people that held a secret meeting when Jean decided to start calling herself Phoenix.


technically it was Seagle who had Jean expanding her limits and returning to the Phoenix name. Lobdell's last story (if im not mistaken) was the Trial of Gambit which was right before Scott and Jean's leave of absence and the addition of Maggot, Cecilia Reyes, and Marrow. but i get what youre saying- as much as i want to blame Morrison for ruining of my favorite characters and couples, it didnt start with him.
Seagle put her in the costume. Jean returned to the Phoenix name years before in the Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix mini, which was written by Lobdell. I dont recall anyone reacting to her changing her codename. The meeting, Roach is referring to happened under Seagle, when she put the original costume on. It wasnt a secret meeting. It was simply the O5 reuniting. Scot talked to Hank briefly about Jean in private but that was the extent of it. Scott was the one who had an issue with it and Beast told him there was nothing to worry about.

not when Lobdell was writing her...which is when it happened

and im not talking about the cheating....im talking about everything past Jean's death. In any other situation if a man's wife dies and he bring another woman in immediately after its look upon as not right...and in some cases it makes you suspect number one if the wife died under questionable circumstances
I definetly get what you are saying and that bothered em as well. I was especialyl upset that Cable, Storm and Warren had NO reaction to Scott shacking up with Emma as soon as he did. Out of all the X-men, these are the 3, I would have expected to call him out first. The writers just glossed over it
 
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hmmmmm i guess i was wrong.....damn you fuzzy memory
 
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Here's some panels from X-Factor #26, March '88 the final issue of the Fall of the Mutants crossover. Before Inferno and waaaay before X-Men #1 in '91. Remember Maddie and the X-Men were declared "dead" at the end of the Fall of the Mutants crossover in UXM.


Roach, I'm not trying to rub it in, I just like taking these trips down memory lane for readers that have not been around that long. :yay:

im not taking it as a rub in...i enjoy Scott and Jean:woot:
 
I know the person coming on as the regular artist for X-Factor will make certain users happy:

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About time he gets put on a book that isn't doomed for failure.
 
6 months from now: Big news! X-Factor canceled!

All because you jinxed it, EB. :argh:
 
Yay! I no longer have to feel obligated to buy it for love of characters over mediocre storytelling!!!!

That's what I'll say :up:
 
And for those who want to play the guessing game, here's the covers to the Uncanny relaunch and the premiere issue of Wolverine and the X-Men:

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Dear god, don't tell me Wolverine's group will have AoA characters in it.
 
Looks like Magneto and Juggernaut behind Emma and possibly Rogue and Cannonball with Wolverine. My question is, where's Cyclops?
 
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