X-Men - Part 6

[natevegas]

Marvel will be canceling over 30 titles because of Secret Wars. Not just F4. http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/18/33-marvel-comics-will-be-cancelled-for-secret-wars

X-Men are not getting phased out. They have plenty of Secret Wars titles and over a dozen of titles last year. Axel confirmed the X-Men will remain an important part of the Marvel Universe.

The signs are all there and if you choose to think they aren't phasing them out that is your right but lets face it Marvel is phasing them out. I'll give you some examples.
1 FF team books have been cancelled (Fox movie rights)
2 Wolverine was killed off (Fox movie rights)
3 Deadpool was just killed off (Fox movie rights)
4 Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver origin completely changed (first appeared in X-men #4 early 60's and they are mutants - Magneto's children) now they are inhumans, Magneto isn't their father. How many of the x-men are going to be messed up next to fit Marvel's Inhuman bait and switch.
5 Marvel can't use the word "mutant" so its being phased out and replaced with the Inhumans.
6 Inhumans origin changed no longer just a royal line from Attilan far side of the moon - Kree experimented on and has to go through terragen mist to become inhuman. Now more inhumans than every that royal line knew about - NY overrun with them.
7 Inhumans now feared and persecuted which made the X-men unique in that regard and part of their backstory.

Connect the dots. Gambit and the X-men are next on the chopping block. Unless fans rise up and make a stink Marvel will once again push their childish spat with fox onto their comic books and thus hurt fans once again. I'm not saying it'll make a difference but growing up the X-men adhered to me and got me into comics that I still read to this day. If you feel the same please take a second and vote.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/355/831/399/stop-marvel-from-replacing-x-men-with-inhumans/

 

[Havok83]

6 Inhumans origin changed no longer just a royal line from Attilan far side of the moon - Kree experimented on and has to go through terragen mist to become inhuman. Now more inhumans than every that royal line knew about - NY overrun with them.

thats always been the case. Has Marvel made a bunch of new ones in the past 2 years? Yes, but this isnt some change in origin. There have always been more Inhumans than just the royal family and their origins always included Kree experimentation with the terrigan mist activating their abilities

 

[def28]

The signs are all there and if you choose to think they aren't phasing them out that is your right but lets face it Marvel is phasing them out.

Nope. The Mavrel line up is gonna be so switched up in 5 months post Secret Wars I don't even see how people can make this conspiracy theory anymore.

1 FF team books have been cancelled (Fox movie rights)

Again, over 30 titles are being cancelled. 30. Because of Secret Wars Does this mean Marvel is phasing all 30 out? No. It's not only F4. Look at who's on the cover for some of those Secret Wars issues.

2 Wolverine was killed off (Fox movie rights)

Bendis has Old Man Logan coming up. They are still making Wolverine books. Logan, was killed for sales and it worked. They have killed off Spidey recently as well. These are comic books. Everyone comes back.

Expect more mutants and superheros to die in the next few months...

3 Deadpool was just killed off (Fox movie rights)

...and why did Deadpool die? Because of[BLACKOUT] incursion, everyone died in the last 2 pages cause Earth 616 was getting obliterated. THere are gonna be alot of MArvel characters going down. [/BLACKOUT] It wasn't cause of his storyline, and it's not stopping more Deadpool titles from being released. Deadpool Secret Wars and Deadpool Vs Thanos were announced this year. Deadpool editor Jordan White also mentioned (more then a few times) he's working on something with Deadpool and Cable. Which is hopefully Cable Deadpool Vol 2.

Deadpool also conintues to have more merch then the majority out there. He's their Harley at stores like Hot topic with even more merch then The Avengers. In other words, there is absolutely nothing leading to think Deadpool is gone. Bleeding Cool didn't even play up that conspiracy theory.

5 Marvel can't use the word "mutant" so its being phased out and replaced with the Inhumans.

In the books? Nonsense.

 

[Specter313]

The signs are all there and if you choose to think they aren't phasing them out that is your right but lets face it Marvel is phasing them out.

The only signs out there are of fanboy rampant paranoia.

1 FF team books have been cancelled (Fox movie rights)

As has already been pointed out, they're only one of a number of titles being cancelled. Previews for other books show them still being around. Many other characters have been put on hiatus over the years to build them back up before a major relaunch (see Thor). The only reason people complain right now is because they're looking for conspiracy theories behind everything including the movie rights.

2 Wolverine was killed off (Fox movie rights)

it was a major stunt killing that had been in the works for awhile. And they're still using his name in the Wolverines series and other versions of him popping up in Secret Wars. If you think he won't be back, you're the one fooling yourself.

3 Deadpool was just killed off (Fox movie rights)

Same as above, if you think he won't be back, you're just kidding yourself.

4 Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver origin completely changed (first appeared in X-men #4 early 60's and they are mutants - Magneto's children) now they are inhumans, Magneto isn't their father. How many of the x-men are going to be messed up next to fit Marvel's Inhuman bait and switch.

First of all, you need to get your facts straight. Those two were not confirmed as Magneto's children upon their debut. That didn't happen until about 20 years later when they were longtime Avengers. And both parties only had secondhand stories from Bova to go on. And second absolutely nowhere but in the conspiracy theories have they been confirmed to be inhumans. If you actually read the books that deal with the issue, you'd know that it currently looks more like they're the result of a High Evolutionary experiment on mutant dna, which would still make them mutants in the long run.

5 Marvel can't use the word "mutant" so its being phased out and replaced with the Inhumans.

That has only applied to the films, and never even fully confirmed anyway.

6 Inhumans origin changed no longer just a royal line from Attilan far side of the moon - Kree experimented on and has to go through terragen mist to become inhuman. Now more inhumans than every that royal line knew about - NY overrun with them.

Again, get your facts straight. They've always been the results of Kree experiments, and you don't "become inhuman by going through the mist". They're always Inhuman, they just get their powers from the mist. Get it right.

7 Inhumans now feared and persecuted which made the X-men unique in that regard and part of their backstory.

The X-Men have hardly been the only ones feared and persecuted (Spider-Man says hi) just because they're different. The only difference now is that so many of them have popped up out of nowhere.

The only dots people are connecting are the ones they're putting out there themselves.

 

[natevegas]

We'll see what comes after SW but just because there are some random one-shots of x-men 92 and some old rehashing of Old Man logan is not proof to the contrary.

As far as the Kree experimentation I know the origin of the inhumans but what Marvel is doing is saying there are potentially huge numbers of inhumans out there that the royal family didn't know about - that is setting up a giant universe to push the MCU inhumans.

Yes I guess I am the only one that sees that Marvel is phasing X-men properties out and its out of spite. They don't want to help Fox in any way but the financial aspect to this decision is the movies can increase comic book sale not the other way around. Marvel could be cleaning up taking advantage of their popularity but instead are so bitter over the deals they signed years ago.

I'll give you an example how many of you think more than 50 percent of the ticket sales of GOTG were from true comic book readers? I doubt that many yet how many pick up the comic books after they see the movies? I bet a lot.

 

[Specter313]

We'll see what comes after SW but just because there are some random one-shots of x-men 92 and some old rehashing of Old Man logan is not proof to the contrary.

Again, look at everything else. Almost everyone else is getting fewer titles and appearances of their original counterparts in the event and there's been little to no information to how they'll be after it is over. I'd say the fact that Marvel went out of their way to say that they're planning something big for the X-Men afterward when they've said pretty much nothing about anyone else should tell people that they're not sidelining them. And it's not "random one shots" featuring X-characters. Starlord and Kitty is an ongoing. X-Men '92 is an ongoing. House of M is an ongoing. Inferno is an ongoing. Years of Future Past is an ongoing. E is for Extinction and X-Tinction Agenda are both 4 issue minis, but that's more than alot of other stuff are getting during the event. And that's not including various other X-related characters making appearances in various other books, including Dazzler being one of the headlining characters of the first all female Avengers team. So please, tell me again how the X-characters are being "sidelined".

As far as the Kree experimentation I know the origin of the inhumans but what Marvel is doing is saying there are potentially huge numbers of inhumans out there that the royal family didn't know about - that is setting up a giant universe to push the MCU inhumans.

And? Fans have been clamoring for them to have more of a presence for years and now they're finally getting it. It's like I said before, Marvel took a property that was on hiatus for quite some time, and then built them up in a way that set them up to become a larger presence then they've ever been before. Quit expecting instant gratification all the time.

Yes I guess I am the only one that sees that Marvel is phasing X-men properties out and its out of spite. They don't want to help Fox in any way but the financial aspect to this decision is the movies can increase comic book sale not the other way around. Marvel could be cleaning up taking advantage of their popularity but instead are so bitter over the deals they signed years ago.

I'll give you an example how many of you think more than 50 percent of the ticket sales of GOTG were from true comic book readers? I doubt that many yet how many pick up the comic books after they see the movies? I bet a lot.

Again, and? It's been a fact ever since comic movies started that only a fraction of the percentage of the movie going audience are regular comic readers/buyers. It's also been a fact that the movie releases don't generate that significant of an increase in sales either. I'll put it in words I believe Alonso or Breevort stated on the whole situation. One thing people need to realize is that Marvel does not have bottomless pockets to finance every single thing possible. Disney may own them now, but they're still a business that has to be run smartly, and that doesn't mean doing anything and everything. As one of those editors said, if you have a fixed budget on how you can finance various projects for tie ins with other media forms, are you going to spend you money on something you will see almost 100% of the profits from, or something you'll see less than 50% of the profits on because someone else owns those rights to those other media forms? I'd say the answer is pretty simple. Marvel isn't in the same place they were back when they sold the rights out to various other studios. They're a power player in their own right, so they don't have to scrape whatever they can from those other studios anymore and can afford to invest fully in themselves even with the bigger risk. It's just smart business sense that anyone who's taken a business class can tell you.

 

[Sian]

I used to be a HUGE X Men fan, but over the past few years I have had to watch helplessly as bit by bit everything about them has been quietly pulled apart. Now my favourite all time X Man has been killed off and most of my other favourites written so out of character there's nothing about them I like anymore. To make matters worse everything the X Men stood for is gone. I don't mind character progression and change has to happen to prevent formats becoming stale, but what we have here is a well loved franchise deliberately destroyed just because someone at Marvel doesn't like them. And because Disney aren't making money out of their movies.
The people in charge aren't behaving like adults, but like sulky little boys and girls who want their own way. This attitude is prevailent in the comics, but I've noticed it seems to be creeping into the movies as well. Several plotlines in recent Marvel movies seem to have been established purely to p*** off fans. I think it's time Marvel took a long hard look at themselves.

 

[def28]

Look, plenty of people like the Bendis run. I personally don't, but that doesn't make me think Marvel comics is trying to ruin X-Men comics haha. Bendis likes these characters and so do Marvel. They have dropped over 12 X comics for X-Men fans including Magento, Nightcrawler, Storm, Gambit and Cyclops solos. And this happened after all the fan whining, and click baiting about how Inhumanity was gonna replace the X-Men. All nonsense. And the whole thing on being mad about a character being killed is just odd. So Marvel can't kill X-Men characters cause they have to be nice to Fox, but they can kill Spidey, Cap, replace Thor and whoever else...ugh. If they wanted them all dead then why did they bring Nightcrawler and Jean back? They are two of their most popular X-Men characters, and could have been left dead.

Look at last years line up of X-Men books, a year which a major X-Men film was released. When was the last time X-Men fans got that kind of attention outside of their multiple team books? This in no way shows they want the X-Men gone because they don't own the movie rights. It's the fans who are acting childish. The fanboy nonsense of studios has gotten way out of proportion and most the time it seems like these fans don't even know what books are out. Cause they refuse to even give anything written either post 90s or Morrison a chance, but are paying heavy attention to comic news headlines that live off of stirring controversy feuds. The argument is always just "Marvel doesn't have the film rights, so they hate X-Men". ********. People have been disagreeing with X-Men runs for decades now. Writers just change. Marvel has been putting them into not only more solo stories but also Marvel stories in general.

The argument that all of your favorites are gone is just odd. You don't like Jean Grey, Cyclops, Beast, Nightcrawler, X-23, Kitty, Magneto, Emma, Magik, Havok, Psylcoke or Storm amongst dozens of others?

 

[Sian]

Not gone, changed.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Also, when it comes to the Inhumans, they have been attacked and persecuted for years. Heck, they had to move Attilan because a military force was sent to destroy it and capture and/or kill the Inhumans.

There was a story with the younger Inhuman generation sent to a human school so some sort of peace could be formed between the races. It didn't work out.

Then Silent War was all about the enmity and hatred the humans and Inhumans had toward each other, including the capture, torture, and abusing of Gorgon.

X-Men are too popular of a franchise for Marvel to phase them out. It's not going to happen. Them giving a bigger presence for the Inhumans is not anything other than them finally giving this awesome franchise its due.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

honestly.. it wouldn't shock me if one day it was found out that Mutants are basically cousin's of the inhumans... their genetic ancestors intertwine.. and that off-shoot in evolution began to evolve without the Terrigen Mists

 

[Brainiac 8]

honestly.. it wouldn't shock me if one day it was found out that Mutants are basically cousin's of the inhumans... their genetic ancestors intertwine.. and that off-shoot in evolution began to evolve without the Terrigen Mists

That....might actually be an interesting take on mutants. I like it!

 

[BoredGuy]

yeah but that would mess with all the somewhat recent stories about the Celestials and other characters trying to guide humanity's evolution
Celestial science trumps that Kree science, lol

 

[def28]

Not gone, changed.

So becuase Marvel isn't writing them the way you want to yet still putting out plenty of material for X fans this means they are deleiberlty being destroyed and all because of Fox? Like Spectre said this has all been fan paranoia.

How about the Spidey fans who watched Doc Ock be Spider-Man while Peter was dead for over a year. Or when Ultimate Peter Parker was killed and replaced to make room for Morales. Thor was replaced, Cap got old with Falcoln taking the reigns and replacing him etc.

Marvel must be trying to destroy these characters too right? It's not just X-Men, their whole line has changed up significantly with fans of every character having to accept change.

X-Men are too popular of a franchise for Marvel to phase them out. It's not going to happen. Them giving a bigger presence for the Inhumans is not anything other than them finally giving this awesome franchise its due.

 

[BoredGuy]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/so-what-happens-to-the-x-men-after-secret-wars-spoilers/

dumb dumb dumb dumb dummmmb

 

[Mad Ones]

Does that have any spark of truth?

 

[Specter313]

It also doesn't make a lick of sense. The whole thing originally exploded over Manhattan and spread over almost the entirety of New England right after. You mean to tell me that not a single mutant since then, especially not a single X-Man, the majority of which call New York home, came into contact with it before now to discover that it could kill them? Bull.

 

[Sithborg]

Meh, at worse it's merely another status quo change. We also have no idea how Secret Wars is going to pan out.

 

[Brainiac 8]

God that sounds terrible.

Remember the 80's and 90's when the X-Men were still awesome? It seems so long ago.

 

[BoredGuy]

Even up through Schism I thought X-Men was awesome
for my money, it's AvX that killed the brand, haven't bought any x-comics since

Im just praying Bleeding Cool is wrong, and that after Secret Wars, there will be a decent, in-616-continuity (or whatever's left) flagship X-Men comic, that doesn't star any of the teen O5, and isn't written by Bendis

 

[Sithborg]

I enjoyed it post Schism. AvX was bad, but I did actually like most of Bendis's run.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Natevegas' above points when addressed individually can be explained away but all of those points together form a pattern, an undeniable pattern. Especially when you consider the timing of the deaths (Wolverine just before DOFP, Deadpool after the film announcement) to the movies.

Not to mention this.

Replacing The FF And X-Men On Secret Wars Image With Marvel Studio Characters - Bleeding Cool Comic Book, Movie, TV News

Love to see someone try to explain that as something other than purposeful spite

 

[marvelrobbins]

Natevegas' above points when addressed individually can be explained away but all of those points together form a pattern, an undeniable pattern, especially when you consider the timing of the deaths (Wolverine just before DOFP, Deadpool after the film announcement) to the movies.

Not to mention this.

Replacing The FF And X-Men On Secret Wars Image With Marvel Studio Characters - Bleeding Cool Comic Book, Movie, TV News

Love to see someone try to explain that as something other than them being needlessly spiteful

we are in total agreement.at least X-Men fans have their comic collections when X-Men were treated right to enjoy.Marvel can't take them away from us.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/05/07/so-what-happens-to-the-x-men-after-secret-wars-spoilers/

dumb dumb dumb dumb dummmmb

X-Men on Spartax wouldn't surprise me. At this point, I don't even oppose it. Just make 'em a family again.

 

[Flint Marko]

Natevegas' above points when addressed individually can be explained away but all of those points together form a pattern, an undeniable pattern. Especially when you consider the timing of the deaths (Wolverine just before DOFP, Deadpool after the film announcement) to the movies.

Not to mention this.

Replacing The FF And X-Men On Secret Wars Image With Marvel Studio Characters - Bleeding Cool Comic Book, Movie, TV News

Love to see someone try to explain that as something other than purposeful spite

"Purposeful spite". Lol.