X-Men - Part 6

[Sithborg]

I do like how the three Apocalypse Wars stories kind of deal with past, present, and future Apocalypse. I remember Rise of Apocalypse, so I am really enjoying All New.

 

[psylockolussus]

So I've been reading old comics. I'm thinking of skipping the latest issues of Uncanny/EXtraordinary for now, I haven't read them, I feel like I'll binge read them when the story-arc is over so I won't have to reread the full story-arc from start to finish again and I find it more enjoyable, binge reading.

So like I said I've been reading old comics, and let me just say I just how the artwork improved in the mid 90s. Like I guess it had something to do with the technology and the rise of graphic softwares, but the colors, the fonts, just improved a lot. Like personally, I know all the classic X-Men stories came from the 70s/80s but I had a hard time enjoying them because visually, they just looked so dated.

And can I just say that X-Men #70 is like one of my favorite X-men comic-book issues ever! I just love these issues when you have a lot of X-Men in the mansion and the main conflict isn't about the saving the world. Like its a shame that none of Cecilia, Maggott and Marrow became an A-tier X-Men but that issue was a really good one and it was just fun. Maggott is like one of my least favorite members of the X-Men ever, but I loled when he used those slugs, it was good. I liked Cecilia Reyes a lot and Marrow had potential.

And I wish the comics right now, would use more of Dazzler, Sunfire, Longshot and Banshee as part of the X-Men, not just a splinter team or a spin-off. Like I was just baffled during the San Francisco days, where they had Dazzler, Angel, Husk, Northstar, Cecilia Reyes (to name a few) just in the background, they had too many mutants and didn't know what to do with most of them and had to put them in a splinter team just to give them something to do. And I know I said I'm not a fan of characters who were already in the comics for decades joining the X-Men now because I prefer someone we haven't seen before. But I would like to see Wolfsbane join the X-Men. Thats like the 1 New Mutants alumni, that I don't really know because I didn't read the New Mutants book.

And one more thing, it kinda sucks that Marvel Comics haven't given us an iconic villain in the 2000s/2010s. Like you had Mr. Sinister/Apocalypse in the 80s, then Onslaught/Bastion in the 90s. But after that, maybe Cassandra Nova but she's like the evil version of Prof X and we already had Onslaught. And now, they keep making the X-Men as the villains (Bishop, Phoenix Five), Hellfire Club are kids, Red Onslaught, a female version of the Brotherhood, 4 Horsemen of apocalypse again and again.

 

[Havok83]

And can I just say that X-Men #70 is like one of my favorite X-men comic-book issues ever! I just love these issues when you have a lot of X-Men in the mansion and the main conflict isn't about the saving the world. Like its a shame that none of Cecilia, Maggott and Marrow became an A-tier X-Men but that issue was a really good one and it was just fun. Maggott is like one of my least favorite members of the X-Men ever, but I loled when he used those slugs, it was good. I liked Cecilia Reyes a lot and Marrow had potential.

that was the issue that made me a regular reader. It focused on my two favorites, Scott and Jean, while introducing a trio of New X-men. It also had amazing art by Pacheco and writing by Kelly and reunited the X-squads. Was a great jumping on board spot

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah it was just an amazing read! A total Classic!

And its weird that during those days, the school didn't really have students like compare to the 2000s/2010s but I just love the family aspect of the X-Men and I wish we would get that feeling again someday. Like right now, there's no Goldballs/Omega Kid gang right now so I like it compare when Uncanny was about the Cyclops' students and while the other X-books focuses on Omega Kid and the others (though I really liked Kid Gladiator). Having a mutant school is cool but I prefer when they only had like a dozen of mutants in the mansion.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Same. I prefer when there's a set team. The team can be split if there's reason for it (like the Blue and Gold teams) but there's gotta be some sort of acknowledgment of the other side as well. That was a BIG failure for me during Morrison's era. You had three groups of X-Men. The X-Treme team was fine because they were away, but then you had the New and Uncanny teams that for some reason never really crossed over. I mean... why was there no members of the Uncanny team present during the Planet X story. That was epic and not a peep of the rest of the X-Men who should have been around. At least give a good reason for them not being present. I thought maybe because they were in Kentucky in the She Lies With Angels story, but no... Wolverine was there with them, so that didn't work. Etc.

I've been rereading some early-90s stuff myself and it's astonishing how much better these are than the current stuff. The current stuff/characters have promise, but I don't feel like it's being handled well at all. The O5 need to go. Old Man Logan is being mishandled and rushed. The Uncanny and Extraordinary teams are alright, but the 8 month jump ruins any coherent feel that the books have with continuity. You can't have something major happen like the "death" of Cyclops and not show how it happened for a year or however long it'll end up being. That's just bad storytelling.

 

[Havok83]

Yeah it was just an amazing read! A total Classic!

And its weird that during those days, the school didn't really have students like compare to the 2000s/2010s but I just love the family aspect of the X-Men and I wish we would get that feeling again someday. Like right now, there's no Goldballs/Omega Kid gang right now so I like it compare when Uncanny was about the Cyclops' students and while the other X-books focuses on Omega Kid and the others (though I really liked Kid Gladiator). Having a mutant school is cool but I prefer when they only had like a dozen of mutants in the mansion.

well it want really a school. That got moved to Massachusetts for Gen X. They renamed it the Higher Institute, but never officially took on new students till New X-men h

 

[Havok83]

Same. I prefer when there's a set team. The team can be split if there's reason for it (like the Blue and Gold teams) but there's gotta be some sort of acknowledgment of the other side as well. That was a BIG failure for me during Morrison's era. You had three groups of X-Men. The X-Treme team was fine because they were away, but then you had the New and Uncanny teams that for some reason never really crossed over. I mean... why was there no members of the Uncanny team present during the Planet X story. That was epic and not a peep of the rest of the X-Men who should have been around. At least give a good reason for them not being present. I thought maybe because they were in Kentucky in the She Lies With Angels story, but no... Wolverine was there with them, so that didn't work. Etc.

I've been rereading some early-90s stuff myself and it's astonishing how much better these are than the current stuff. The current stuff/characters have promise, but I don't feel like it's being handled well at all. The O5 need to go. Old Man Logan is being mishandled and rushed. The Uncanny and Extraordinary teams are alright, but the 8 month jump ruins any coherent feel that the books have with continuity. You can't have something major happen like the "death" of Cyclops and not show how it happened for a year or however long it'll end up being. That's just bad storytelling.

Uncanny was the away team. New X-men primarily stayed at the school whereas Uncanny traveled the world. That was established early on following the 3 book split. It was easy enough to just assume they were out elsewhere during the events of Planet X. There was crossover between the two teams as Scott, Jean and Xavier all appeared in Uncanny after Alex returned and Juggernaut joined. IA that Morrison really didnt use the other book's characters

Also you cant use Wolverine as a basis for continuity bc the guy was overexposed and they even joked about it on panel that his mutant power was to be everywhere.

 

[psylockolussus]

So do you guys think that there will be a new title or a title that will end to coincide with the Marvel Now 2016 campaign?

 

[Sithborg]

Doesn't sound like it from the solicitations.

 

[Mike Murdock]

What's happening with the kid X-Men team. Is Cyclops leaving?

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't think so. The latest issue just featured Genesis and the younger Apocalypse (when Apocalypse was still a kid).

 

[Havok83]

What's happening with the kid X-Men team. Is Cyclops leaving?

I don't think so. The latest issue just featured Genesis and the younger Apocalypse (when Apocalypse was still a kid).

yes he is. He will be joining the new Champions this fall

Good news is that Humberto Ramos will be drawing it, which means he will be off Extraordinary X-men. As the flagship title, it needed a better artist. Interested to hear who is announced to take over

 

[psylockolussus]

Okay, I didn't know about that. Is that for September or October?

 

[BoredGuy]

So will everybody besides Scott and Jean f*** off to limbo or be stuck as supporting characters, much like their older versions have been for years??

and if so, what in the hell was the point of keeping the O5 here?!

I didn't know it was possible but I think I hate teen Cyclops more than stodgy old early-90's Cyclops

 

[Sithborg]

If All-New transitions to a more Aaron's Wolverine and the X-men cast, I'm in.

 

[Mike Murdock]

yes he is. He will be joining the new Champions this fall

I know he's joining the Champions. My question is whether he would be on that team exclusively or on more than one team?

 

[mightiest_mortal]

And can I just say that X-Men #70 is like one of my favorite X-men comic-book issues ever! I just love these issues when you have a lot of X-Men in the mansion and the main conflict isn't about the saving the world. Like its a shame that none of Cecilia, Maggott and Marrow became an A-tier X-Men but that issue was a really good one and it was just fun. Maggott is like one of my least favorite members of the X-Men ever, but I loled when he used those slugs, it was good. I liked Cecilia Reyes a lot and Marrow had potential.

PFFttt Maggott is the greatest X-Men ever!
(not even joking, i loved him!)

 

[KevanG]

Everyone but the Hulk on that cover look like they're ten.

 

[Sithborg]

Looks like Death of X is about the death of Cyclops. 4 part miniseries to set up how Cyclops died. At least we are going to finally be getting some answers in Oct.

 

[KevanG]

I really wish they'd stop killing him. It's getting on my nerves.

 

[Mike Murdock]

He died last October. This isn't killing him again.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, he's been dead, but they have been infuriatingly vague about how he died other than "attacking Inhumans"

 

[Mad Ones]

Everything after the 8 month gap has been really annoying. At least the Cyclops question will get answered and Ramos will leave (or be less involved with) Extraordinary. Whatever Cyclops did better be good.

I thought Miles, Kamala, and Nova were all Avengers?

 

[Sithborg]

They were, but they've been doing "I quite" teasers. So, probably all leaving whatever team they are on.

 

[KevanG]

He died last October. This isn't killing him again.

Yes but how many times in the last while have they killed him?

He died in Astonishing when he got booted out an airlock, he died at the start of Secret Wars, he died in X3, he died in the Ultimate X-Men books, and I'm pretty sure he died more than that.

I get we have a spare but knock it off already!