X-Men - Part 8

[squeekness]

Is Daken gay? I think it was intentional that they had those characters in an iceman issue.

Daken is bi-sexual. I think he basically takes sexual advantage of anyone he happens to target for something.

 

[Sithborg]

I'm still reading Gold, but it's definitely nothing special. Shame too. It had so much promise. I feel like the writer is trying to hard too reenact the 90s Jim Lee title and it just isn't working. I liked the X-Cutioner arc he did, and the Mojo crossover was decent, but for the most part the rest of the series has been bland. I really don't give a crap about this current Negative Zone arc. That said... and I know I'm in the VAST minority here... but I like seeing Tatoo getting some love. I know this is the same writer that created him in Young X-Men, but I always kinda liked the character.

It is always fun to see a minor character get some love. There are a lot of characters that I like that are sidelined for the bigger names.

 

[psylockolussus]

Marc Guggenheim isnt just A very good writer.

 

[JewishHobbit]

It is always fun to see a minor character get some love. There are a lot of characters that I like that are sidelined for the bigger names.

Same. The Generation X crew has been that for me for years. I think that's part of why I'm so disappointed in the Generation X book in that they FINALLY have a chance to shine, but they're the focus of the book only maybe 30% of the time. I heard the title is ending soon, so I'm hoping that they don't just disappear again.

Also, the New X-Men generation is heavily missed. It's nice when Anole, Rockslide, Pixie, Hellion, etc. all pop up for a few panels on occasion, but man I miss them being a focus. If they're being relegated to background characters, just write them out of the book. Give them something else to do.

 

[Sithborg]

In X-adjacent news, it seems Domino is getting a series written by Gail Simone.

Hopefully Land is only doing the cover...

 

[Gee]

Blue and Gold will end next summer, according to BC.

 

[Sithborg]

I figured they would be rebranded as Uncanny and adjectiveless eventually.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

In X-adjacent news, it seems Domino is getting a series written by Gail Simone.

Hopefully Land is only doing the cover...

Definitely getting that.

 

[zenith16]

Marvel? Destroy a marriage? Preposterous!

lol, I know right. in all seriousness then again after seeing anhepsiode of rick and morty where they had that family kill every cause they didn't have bad memory of thyem where that person was an overly distrubintg SOB that almost let them get killed or nearly ruin their life and remeber this. yeah it's just how marvel roles. sigh. epecial when they announce something happy it meansome esle is happen inanotherway and they don'want us to be ticked at them with the chose they made and it.

Kinda like when they made storm marry tachilla. yeah we were happy but it was around the same time they were breaking every one else up that they didn't like the iadea of them being so. it's just timing with them.

damn you rick and morty for waking me to reality.

 

[psylockolussus]

Same. The Generation X crew has been that for me for years. I think that's part of why I'm so disappointed in the Generation X book in that they FINALLY have a chance to shine, but they're the focus of the book only maybe 30% of the time. I heard the title is ending soon, so I'm hoping that they don't just disappear again.

Also, the New X-Men generation is heavily missed. It's nice when Anole, Rockslide, Pixie, Hellion, etc. all pop up for a few panels on occasion, but man I miss them being a focus. If they're being relegated to background characters, just write them out of the book. Give them something else to do.

This is why I wanted them to clean the mutant house. Too many mutants doing nothing. And almost every dead X-Man is resurrected.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I agree. I don't mind the dead mutants returning as many of those dead are important. Start fresh with Jean, Cyclops, Xavier, Logan, and Banshee back. But then do something to define a team and allow other characters to move on somehow apart from the core X-Men.

 

[Mad Ones]

Blue and Gold was a nice effort, though I think Marvel made a mistake by putting Guggenheim on Gold and making Blue about the time-displaced 05. I think these books existed to build up Uncanny's return.

I wonder if X-men Red will be the only colour titled book after Gold and Blue are gone?

I also hope that in the next X-book reshuffle that they make a book about Bobby training a team of younger students. The X-line needs a student book and Iceman's solo emphasized how much the students like him.

 

[psylockolussus]

I agree. I don't mind the dead mutants returning as many of those dead are important. Start fresh with Jean, Cyclops, Xavier, Logan, and Banshee back. But then do something to define a team and allow other characters to move on somehow apart from the core X-Men.

To me what I liked Decimation and the killing of many students in Xavier Institute is there were just more or less 23 students left that we could have followed for years. I was like oh 198 mutants? It was like exciting how many would survive in the coming years. Then outside of the mansion, those who weren't doing nothing at that time (Marrow, Stacy X) had some sort of a final chapter or a reason why they weren't gonna be used anytime soon like Jubilee.

But of course Young X-Men, Second Coming, Five Lights, two schools came along and poof it became hard to keep track of every mutant under the X-Men wing. That's why I wanted the terrigen mist to wipeout like 75% of the mutant population. And I just can tell the newbies of Generation X would be doing nothing in the coming years, so I didn't bother to read it (and the artwork is terrible, though I like the covers). Then out of the new faces, no one really became popular except for X-23 for obvious reasons.

 

[JewishHobbit]

To me what I liked Decimation and the killing of many students in Xavier Institute is there were just more or less 23 students left that we could have followed for years. I was like oh 198 mutants? It was like exciting how many would survive in the coming years. Then outside of the mansion, those who weren't doing nothing at that time (Marrow, Stacy X) had some sort of a final chapter or a reason why they weren't gonna be used anytime soon like Jubilee.

I hated the Decimation because they made a definitive list of characters who were depowered without a story showing it happening to them (directly). Now over time they got away from that list, which was good, because there were a lot of minor characters whom I liked that were suddenly depowered and likely never to be seen again. For those who got that closing chapter like those you mentioned, it was good... but for others it was the same as killing characters off panel.

But of course Young X-Men, Second Coming, Five Lights, two schools came along and poof it became hard to keep track of every mutant under the X-Men wing. That's why I wanted the terrigen mist to wipeout like 75% of the mutant population. And I just can tell the newbies of Generation X would be doing nothing in the coming years, so I didn't bother to read it (and the artwork is terrible, though I like the covers). Then out of the new faces, no one really became popular except for X-23 for obvious reasons.

I agree about Generation X. The art is horrendous and the student cast is horrible. In fact, most students post-New-X-Men are horrible.

Now when it came to the students, I did like the whole Decimation/Childhood's End arc. I liked that the vast amount of students were chopped down to a manageable number which was then followed by a sense of survival of the fittest among them.

I hated that New X-Men was canceled at its height and that a lesser lineup of survivors was formed for the follow up Young X-Men... but it was still the same generation, so that was fine. And it kept the survival aspect by killing Wolf Cub in the first arc. It was after that when the Generation Hope students took center stage, and then Bendis' kids, the post Avengers vs X-Men kids, etc. I mean, I don't mind an additional student here and there... but whole groups/generations of them while the previous generation just floats around in the background? Lame.

The quality and development of the New X-Men (and other surviving students of that era) was phenomenal, and they were just hitting their prime. I don't know what goof at Marvel made the decision that they were no longer necessary, but they killed a generation of X-Characters who had the potential to be the next New Mutants (far surpassing Generation X... who is my favorite).

Just for fun... of those who came after New X-Men... these are the only characters I actually liked:

Generation Hope
Transonic
Kenji

Wolverine & the X-Men
Genesis
Broo
Kid Gladiator (kinda)

Bendis' Uncanny X-Men
Tempus
Triage

And the funny thing is that NONE of those characters are used anymore. But nonetheless, since the New X-Men generation, I've liked 7 out of around 25 new students.

Now of the New X-Men generation CURRENTLY ALIVE: Prodigy, Hellion, Elixer, Mercury, Surge, Rockslide, Gentle, Anole, Pixie, Mercury, X-23

So off the top of my head I like more New X-Men at the moment of the title's cancellation than of the 25 or more students since. And the reason is that there were less of them and they actually went through real character growth. There have been so many since then that they're just showing up and then disappearing when the next writer comes along and does a student book. It's annoying.

 

[Sithborg]

I really loved the little war between Bendis, Aaron, and Reminder on who could come up with the weirdest new character.

And your list lacks Goldballs. FAIL!!!!

 

[psylockolussus]

I hated the Decimation because they made a definitive list of characters who were depowered without a story showing it happening to them (directly). Now over time they got away from that list, which was good, because there were a lot of minor characters whom I liked that were suddenly depowered and likely never to be seen again. For those who got that closing chapter like those you mentioned, it was good... but for others it was the same as killing characters off panel.



I agree about Generation X. The art is horrendous and the student cast is horrible. In fact, most students post-New-X-Men are horrible.

Now when it came to the students, I did like the whole Decimation/Childhood's End arc. I liked that the vast amount of students were chopped down to a manageable number which was then followed by a sense of survival of the fittest among them.

I hated that New X-Men was canceled at its height and that a lesser lineup of survivors was formed for the follow up Young X-Men... but it was still the same generation, so that was fine. And it kept the survival aspect by killing Wolf Cub in the first arc. It was after that when the Generation Hope students took center stage, and then Bendis' kids, the post Avengers vs X-Men kids, etc. I mean, I don't mind an additional student here and there... but whole groups/generations of them while the previous generation just floats around in the background? Lame.

The quality and development of the New X-Men (and other surviving students of that era) was phenomenal, and they were just hitting their prime. I don't know what goof at Marvel made the decision that they were no longer necessary, but they killed a generation of X-Characters who had the potential to be the next New Mutants (far surpassing Generation X... who is my favorite).

Just for fun... of those who came after New X-Men... these are the only characters I actually liked:

Generation Hope
Transonic
Kenji

Wolverine & the X-Men
Genesis
Broo
Kid Gladiator (kinda)

Bendis' Uncanny X-Men
Tempus
Triage

And the funny thing is that NONE of those characters are used anymore. But nonetheless, since the New X-Men generation, I've liked 7 out of around 25 new students.

Now of the New X-Men generation CURRENTLY ALIVE: Prodigy, Hellion, Elixer, Mercury, Surge, Rockslide, Gentle, Anole, Pixie, Mercury, X-23

So off the top of my head I like more New X-Men at the moment of the title's cancellation than of the 25 or more students since. And the reason is that there were less of them and they actually went through real character growth. There have been so many since then that they're just showing up and then disappearing when the next writer comes along and does a student book. It's annoying.

Kyle Yost and Craig's New X-Men remains to be one of my favorite comic books ever. Its a Shame it didn't even have a proper ending.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I really loved the little war between Bendis, Aaron, and Reminder on who could come up with the weirdest new character.

I didn't mind a lot of Bendis' characters. It's just that most of them were so generic that they were boring.

But honestly... I think Claremont won that competition with Rico (Scorpion Boy)

And your list lacks Goldballs. FAIL!!!!

Yeah, and there's a reason for that.

Kyle Yost and Craig's New X-Men remains to be one of my favorite comic books ever. Its a Shame it didn't even have a proper ending.

Definitely. The New Mutants book that started that group of students was okay and then got pretty good when it became Academy X. But when Kyle and Yost took over, that book went to a whole other level. I honestly feel like the biggest crime in X-Men since Morrison's screwing up Scott and Jean was the handling of that title and characters.

 

[Mad Ones]

Glob Herman is up there in weirdness too

 

[psylockolussus]

Definitely. The New Mutants book that started that group of students was okay and then got pretty good when it became Academy X. But when Kyle and Yost took over, that book went to a whole other level. I honestly feel like the biggest crime in X-Men since Morrison's screwing up Scott and Jean was the handling of that title and characters.

Anole, Ernst and Pixie also joined towards the end. Like it could have been a really iconic generation of Jr X-Men had they continued for years, with a rotating roster.

At this point, there are so many Jr..X-Men that seeing Hellion, Ink Armor and the other show up in a X-Men title for 1 or 2 pages is kinda nice, but seeing how those characters weren't just extra in their earlier appearances is just sad.

I don't really know what kind of direction Marvel is heading to with the mutants. A lot of big characters over lap in different storylines which bugs me, while Cyclops would probably be resurrected sooner or later. The 05 isnt going anywhere based on the solicitations. And I just think there needs to be a quality/quantity control for the long run.

Like if it was up to me, I would go back to the older days and have just 1 title - Uncanny X-Men with maybe 3 to 4 issues per month. As for the solos, I don't really care but the ones that would headline it isn't someone who's in the main X-Men title.

 

[Sithborg]

Glob Herman is up there in weirdness too

There is weird, and then there is whatever the hell Morrison was on...

 

[JewishHobbit]

Heh, Glob Herman is a guilty pleasure of mine. I love that chubby ball of wax.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Anole, Ernst and Pixie also joined towards the end. Like it could have been a really iconic generation of Jr X-Men had they continued for years, with a rotating roster.

Was Ernst? I don't recall that. I remember Gentle, Anole, and Pixie making the jump there. And yeah, I agree that their generation could have been iconic in the vein of the New Mutants. Thus, the greatest X-tragedy since Morrison ruining Scott and Jean.

 

[psylockolussus]

I mixed up Gentle with Ernst .

 

[Mad Ones]

There is weird, and then there is whatever the hell Morrison was on...

Morrison's extra-weirdness was wonderful. I like my X-men freaky and strange.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Big Stacey X fan then?

Admittedly... I kinda liked her under Casey, but then Austen took over and his erotic history took over. Blah.