YES! We're getting a Hulk sequel!

[Spider-ManHero12]

I wonder how the Leader will look? I have a feeling it'll be great.

 

[Chris B]

IMO, Marvel should push Avengers back a year and do an TIH sequel as their second 2011 movie. Then have IM3 and Avengers for 2012.

Unfortunately, they seems pretty set on their current schedule.

 

[TheVileOne]

Why should Marvel push back an Avengers sequel for a Hulk sequel few people want to see when there is so much more money and potential in an Avengers movie? Not to mention less baggage.

 

[Golgo-13]

^
Because Hulk is almost as iconic for Marvel as Spiderman, but certain members of the Avengers team like Cap.America, Thor,etc, aren't very known by alot of ppl outside the realm of the comics....

The dvd sales proved that Hulk is a money maker, and the re-boot is a good first entry into the new series. Let's not let so much time pass between Hulk movies. Hell SM2 went into pre-production the very same year SM1 came out. Yes, SM1 broke records, but it is highly over-rated imo. Sony was smart enough to keep the momentum going by having the Spiderman movies come out only a few years apart. Universal should do the same.

 

[TheVileOne]

^
Because Hulk is almost as iconic for Marvel as Spiderman, but certain members of the Avengers team like Cap.America, Thor,etc, aren't very known by alot of ppl outside the realm of the comics....

Hulk's had two movies and audiences have pretty much said they aren't that enthusiastic about them. Captain America, don't tell me he's not iconic. Iron Man shows how you can make a character that's not as well known outside of the comics more popular. Hulk didn't really do that.

The dvd sales proved that Hulk is a money maker, and the re-boot is a good first entry into the new series. Let's not let so much time pass between Hulk movies. Hell SM2 went into pre-production the very same year SM1 came out. Yes, SM1 broke records, but it is highly over-rated imo. Sony was smart enough to keep the momentum going by having the Spiderman movies come out only a few years apart. Universal should do the same.

Dude your logic here makes no sense. Also it's not Universal's call. It's Marvel's. And Kevin Feige basically said they are giving Hulk a rest and doing other characters first. DVD sales, whatever. It doesn't matter if you think Spider-man was overrated, it was still the first movie to ever beat a Star Wars movie that was released in the same year. Of course Sony is going to do a sequel right away.

The reason we aren't hearing about Hulk sequel talk anymore is because they didn't pull the numbers.

 

[Golgo-13]

Hulk's had two movies and audiences have pretty much said they aren't that enthusiastic about them. Captain America, don't tell me he's not iconic. Iron Man shows how you can make a character that's not as well known outside of the comics more popular. Hulk didn't really do that.

The first movie tarnished to re-boot's rep. Everyone knows this. If TIH had been the first Hulk movie released and not Ang's crapfest, we' be in a different situation as far as this franchise is concerned. Cap America is not as iconic as either Hulk nor Spiderman. How can you say that? To those familiar with the Marvle universe yes, but very few of the general populus can tell you his origin, as they could about Spiderman being bitten by a spider, or Hulk being blasted with Gamma Rays. Your example for how Marvel took one of their lesser known characters, IM, and made him more mainstream is correct. That has to be done with Thor AND Cap. America; but Cap America is NOT as iconic as either Hulk nor Spiderman.

Dude your logic here makes no sense. Also it's not Universal's call. It's Marvel's. And Kevin Feige basically said they are giving Hulk a rest and doing other characters first. DVD sales, whatever. It doesn't matter if you think Spider-man was overrated, it was still the first movie to ever beat a Star Wars movie that was released in the same year. Of course Sony is going to do a sequel right away.

Didn't Feige say this BEFORE the dvd sales? It's funny that Marvel was real quiet during TIH theatrical run. Rumors ran rampant over the net about Hulk's future..and none of them were positive. There was even talk about neither Norton nor Letterier not wanting to come back. Then all of a sudden, after the dvd sale receipts were in, everyone at the studio got chatty again! We heard talk of a sequel from Norton, Gale Hurd and Tim Blake Nelson. My point is, i think that the ''we're giving Hulk a rest for now'' talk was because of the low B.O numbers, and now Marvel and co might be re-thinking things.

The reason we aren't hearing about Hulk sequel talk anymore is because they didn't pull the numbers.

No. The reason we aren't hearing about a Hulk sequel is because Marvel's schedule is pretty much full for the next few years. They had it planned this way, even before TIH's release. TIH was just supposed to be a set-up for The Avengers movie, ala, the IM ending. I truly believe that if they could re-arrange their schedule (which is really hard to do at this point) they would have pushed out another Hulk sequel sooner.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Cap America is not as iconic as either Hulk nor Spiderman. How can you say that? To those familiar with the Marvle universe yes, but very few of the general populus can tell you his origin, as they could about Spiderman being bitten by a spider, or Hulk being blasted with Gamma Rays. Your example for how Marvel took one of their lesser known characters, IM, and made him more mainstream is correct. That has to be done with Thor AND Cap. America; but Cap America is NOT as iconic as either Hulk nor Spiderman.

Not everyone knows Cap's details intimately, but he is a household name. If Tim Roth's super-soldier acrobatics in TIH are any indication, a properly done Cap solo movie will be a huge draw for Avengers.

 

[Golgo-13]

Not everyone knows Cap's details intimately, but he is a household name. If Tim Roth's super-soldier acrobatics in TIH are any indication, a properly done Cap solo movie will be a huge draw for Avengers.

I agree, he's just not as well known as Spidey or Hulk.

Household name? I think that's highly debate-able.


Nice avvy by the way.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Hell, Wonder Woman is more well known that Cap... I would say that the top 6 superheros in terms of broad, gerneral public awareness are Superman, Spiderman, Batman, Hulk, Wolverine and Wonder Woman (if only because of TV shows and cartoons... not to mention the movies that have come so far). So Cap is in the same boat as IM, in that the movie needs to have a major marketing effort, as well as, it must be a knock-out.

And to note on TIH... It was a very successful "rebooting" of the franchise. While the BO was not all that great, I would attribute that largely to the 2003 film shedding a negative light on the Character. But after word got around that TIH was a much better movie, people went to the DVDs. In the first 8 weeks on the shelves, it made over $81 million, and with the Christmas season, it probably pushed over $100 million. This is not to mention that TIH actually made more at the BO than the 2003 film, both domestically and internationally (if only by a small margin). Imagine if there wasn't such a negative impact from the '03 film. Moreover, the 2003 film openned strong, then dropped in ticket sales... whereas TIH openned moderate, then actually picked-up in sales. The word has gotten out, and now the brand has a much better image for the future (there is strong momentum for future films, and the Avengers).

 

[TheVileOne]

The first movie tarnished to re-boot's rep. Everyone knows this. If TIH had been the first Hulk movie released and not Ang's crapfest, we' be in a different situation as far as this franchise is concerned. Cap America is not as iconic as either Hulk nor Spiderman. How can you say that? To those familiar with the Marvle universe yes, but very few of the general populus can tell you his origin, as they could about Spiderman being bitten by a spider, or Hulk being blasted with Gamma Rays. Your example for how Marvel took one of their lesser known characters, IM, and made him more mainstream is correct. That has to be done with Thor AND Cap. America; but Cap America is NOT as iconic as either Hulk nor Spiderman.

What proof do you have that he isn't as iconic or well known?

Do you know what our American military was doing in the trenches of world war II? Reading Captain America comics. Don't feed me this bologna. More people will know Captain America than Golgo 13.

Didn't Feige say this BEFORE the dvd sales? It's funny that Marvel was real quiet during TIH theatrical run. Rumors ran rampant over the net about Hulk's future..and none of them were positive. There was even talk about neither Norton nor Letterier not wanting to come back. Then all of a sudden, after the dvd sale receipts were in, everyone at the studio got chatty again! We heard talk of a sequel from Norton, Gale Hurd and Tim Blake Nelson. My point is, i think that the ''we're giving Hulk a rest for now'' talk was because of the low B.O numbers, and now Marvel and co might be re-thinking things.

What DVD sales? These:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/HULK2-DVD.php

This is hardly the biggest seller of the year on DVD. What talk are you referring to? In the most recent Hurd quotes she's not that definitive. Of course Tim Blake Nelson would want to come back for a sequel. Of course they are all going to say stuff like that. All that chatter was there after Hulk 2003 as well.

No. The reason we aren't hearing about a Hulk sequel is because Marvel's schedule is pretty much full for the next few years. They had it planned this way, even before TIH's release. TIH was just supposed to be a set-up for The Avengers movie, ala, the IM ending. I truly believe that if they could re-arrange their schedule (which is really hard to do at this point) they would have pushed out another Hulk sequel sooner.

Dude, face it. Marvel doesn't want to do a Hulk sequel right now. If they were serious about doing more, they wouldn't be waiting this long to do it. Case in point Iron Man - getting a sequel due out 2010. You also have to come to grips with a TIH sequel never happening at all.

And to note on TIH... It was a very successful "rebooting" of the franchise. While the BO was not all that great, I would attribute that largely to the 2003 film shedding a negative light on the Character. But after word got around that TIH was a much better movie, people went to the DVDs. In the first 8 weeks on the shelves, it made over $81 million, and with the Christmas season, it probably pushed over $100 million. This is not to mention that TIH actually made more at the BO than the 2003 film, both domestically and internationally (if only by a small margin). Imagine if there wasn't such a negative impact from the '03 film. Moreover, the 2003 film openned strong, then dropped in ticket sales... whereas TIH openned moderate, then actually picked-up in sales. The word has gotten out, and now the brand has a much better image for the future (there is strong momentum for future films, and the Avengers).

Wrong. I'm sorry guys but the numbers are plain to see:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=incrediblehulk.htm

TIH opened with $55 million. Dropped 60% in it's second weekend to $22 million. Over 55% in it's third weekend to $9 million.

Hulk 2003

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=incrediblehulk.htm

Opened bigger than TIH with $62 million. Dropped almost 70% in it's second weekend to $18 million. And about 56% to weekend 3 with about $8 million.

I'm sorry Santoro. But this pickup in ticket sales you are referring to was nonexistent.

In the end, how much more domestically did TIH surpass Hulk 2003? A whopping $2.3 million. Considering how recent Hulk 2003 was, it really didn't make that much more if any. Worldwide is different by about $17 million for TIH. But again, rising ticket prices.

The Blu-Ray sales for TIH have been strong for the Blu-ray format however so far.

However this isn't Michael Moore Bowling For Columbine. You can't manipulate and twist everything into what you want.

 

[Rich Santoro]

What proof do you have that he isn't as iconic or well known?

Are you kidding??? Logic 101... you can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is to verify that Cap IS a house-hold name, and that they were reading Cap books in the trenches, and if that somehow translates to current popularity today...

Wrong. I'm sorry guys but the numbers are plain to see:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=incrediblehulk.htm

TIH opened with $55 million. Dropped 60% in it's second weekend to $22 million. Over 55% in it's third weekend to $9 million.

Hulk 2003

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=incrediblehulk.htm

Opened bigger than TIH with $62 million. Dropped almost 70% in it's second weekend to $18 million. And about 56% to weekend 3 with about $8 million.

I'm sorry Santoro. But this pickup in ticket sales you are referring to was nonexistent.

OK... I will be more clear for you... TIH openned weaker than Hulk did... but then TIH's numbers relative to the Hulk, picked up (as indicated in your numbers). Its 2nd and 3rd weak were stronger than The Hulk's (that trend continued for weeks 4 and 5 and beyond). Overall, TIH out performed the '03 film (grossing > $15 million more overall), thereby changing the direction of the franchise from a downward trajectory to a plateau or even slightly upward... Moreover, despite the awful start for the product based on the 2003 flop and the sub-par marketing, TIH was still the top grosser for its openning weekend, and was the 2nd highest grossing film for a movie that openned over a Father's day weekend.

It is clear that the shabby 2003 film hurt TIH. With this in mind, and looking at the better numbers that it put up compared to The Hulk, TIH was successfully rebooted and is now primed for future movies (be it in the Avengers and potentially a sequel down the road)... Now you may not get this, but the success of IM and the focus on Cap, Thor and the Avengers, along with the only moderate success of TIH, makes it clear that Hulk will have to wait in line for anymore attention from the studio for a sequel, but saying that one will never happen is a bit off... actually, it is way off.

However this isn't Michael Moore Bowling For Columbine. You can't manipulate and twist everything into what you want.

Grow up...

 

[Obi-Ron]

It is clear that the shabby 2003 film hurt TIH

In what way was Ang Lee's Hulk considered "shabby?"

 

[Rich Santoro]

^ I meant the shabby BO performance... indicating to me that the general public thought it was a weak film.

 

[Golgo-13]

What proof do you have that he isn't as iconic or well known?

Do you know what our American military was doing in the trenches of world war II? Reading Captain America comics. Don't feed me this bologna. More people will know Captain America than Golgo 13.

Like santoro said, you can't prove his an iconic. Walk up to the average person on the street and show them a pic of Cap, and most of them won't either know who he is, or have seen him before but can't think of his name. He's just not as iconic as Hulk nor Spiderman; face facts. There haven't been any significant tv shows, movies, cartoon about him in all the decades he's been around. And his toy, and what little merchandise that does exist of him, is certainly not a hotter seller around the world.

I don't seeing what WWII vets have to do with his popularity. Are you saying they're are part of his fan base? No disrespect to them, but most WWII vets are dead now. And no disrespect to Cap, but i'm sure that once they finished reading the Cap comics while in the trenches, they used it for toilet paper. That's what you do in the military. You do whatever you have to do to pass the time and keep your sanity. When i was in the Army me and my platoon used to read IronFist comics; does that suddenly make him iconic and popular character now, too?

And the biggest question of them all i have for you is........

..what the hell does Golgo-13's popularity have to do with ANY of this??!!!

What DVD sales? These:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/HULK2-DVD.php

This is hardly the biggest seller of the year on DVD. What talk are you referring to? In the most recent Hurd quotes she's not that definitive. Of course Tim Blake Nelson would want to come back for a sequel. Of course they are all going to say stuff like that. All that chatter was there after Hulk 2003 as well.



Dude, face it. Marvel doesn't want to do a Hulk sequel right now. If they were serious about doing more, they wouldn't be waiting this long to do it. Case in point Iron Man - getting a sequel due out 2010. You also have to come to grips with a TIH sequel never happening at all.

Never said it was the biggest seller bud. I'm saying the sales were enough to warrant a sequel. I truelly believe that if Marvel had thought things through, they would have pushed out another Hulk movie alot sooner. It seems now every Marvel movie that's scheduled to come out, is a set up for an Avengers movie ala Cap, Thor,etc. They have alot riding on The Avengers. I hope this plan of theirs doesn't back fire.

Marvel would be fools not to see the potential of their second most popular character, after Spiderman; The Incredible Hulk.

 

[TheVileOne]

Are you kidding??? Logic 101... you can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is to verify that Cap IS a house-hold name, and that they were reading Cap books in the trenches, and if that somehow translates to current popularity today...

All ever hear about how popular well known and iconic the Hulk is here. And yet audiences were generally not that enthusiastic about the movies.

When Captain America died it made national news all across the globe. When did that happen before? Oh, when Superman died in 1990's.

OK... I will be more clear for you... TIH openned weaker than Hulk did... but then TIH's numbers relative to the Hulk, picked up (as indicated in your numbers). Its 2nd and 3rd weak were stronger than The Hulk's (that trend continued for weeks 4 and 5 and beyond). Overall, TIH out performed the '03 film (grossing > $15 million more overall), thereby changing the direction of the franchise from a downward trajectory to a plateau or even slightly upward... Moreover, despite the awful start for the product based on the 2003 flop and the sub-par marketing, TIH was still the top grosser for its openning weekend, and was the 2nd highest grossing film for a movie that openned over a Father's day weekend.

No they didn't pick up. They stayed relatively the same. Worldwide it might've outperformed, but taking ticket sale changes into account there's not much of a difference.

A true indication of the TIH being more successful would the movie NOT having a dropoff of 60% in its second weekend. You can't spin a 60% BO drop into a positive. 60% basically means not great word of mouth, not a ton of positive buzz. Iron Man's patterns were the antithesis of this.

A better example would be Batman Begins which opened low, but the dropoffs were very small and the movie managed to walk over $200 million US by word of mouth and positive buzz alone when at the start it didn't look like it would.

Another example would be Tropic Thunder. Which did get great reviews but didn't have a huge opening weekend despite the star power. Analysts said that mainstream moviegoers don't care about the subject matter, yet the movie stayed at #1 in a crowded summer season for four weekends and walked well over the $110 million mark when at the start it was questionable for $100 million at all.

It is clear that the shabby 2003 film hurt TIH. With this in mind, and looking at the better numbers that it put up compared to The Hulk, TIH was successfully rebooted and is now primed for future movies (be it in the Avengers and potentially a sequel down the road)... Now you may not get this, but the success of IM and the focus on Cap, Thor and the Avengers, along with the only moderate success of TIH, makes it clear that Hulk will have to wait in line for anymore attention from the studio for a sequel, but saying that one will never happen is a bit off... actually, it is way off.

What FUTURE movies? Kevin Feige all but said that Hulk had his movies and they are doing other characters first. So what will it be? Another five years to make a third Hulk movie? Then it's pretty much the same boat after Hulk 2003.

Here's what I'm saying. I'm saying a sequel is unlikely because no sequel is planned for the forseeable future, and then if they start waiting that long to make a TIH sequel it's pretty much the same situation after Hulk 2003.

If this were truly a 100% successful reboot, a Hulk sequel would be in the works stat and have a set release date.

Grow up...

The numbers are there. You can't fake them. You can't mischaracterize or turn them into something they aren't. You can't get blood out of a stone.

Like santoro said, you can't prove his an iconic. Walk up to the average person on the street and show them a pic of Cap, and most of them won't either know who he is, or have seen him before but can't think of his name. He's just not as iconic as Hulk nor Spiderman; face facts. There haven't been any significant tv shows, movies, cartoon about him in all the decades he's been around. And his toy, and what little merchandise that does exist of him, is certainly not a hotter seller around the world.

I'm sure you've conducted this experiment yourself. I bet you if I went to elementary, middle, or high schools filled with kids who play the video games and watch the animations starring Cap would feel differently. And they are the target demographic.

Cap was a featured character in the animated movies Ultimate Avengers and Ultimate Avengers 2. He was a featured character in Ultimate Alliance the game which sold millions of copies. Yet you claim there haven't been any significant cartoons about him.

Where are you numbers on Cap merchandise coming from? What's your source?

I don't seeing what WWII vets have to do with his popularity. Are you saying they're are part of his fan base? No disrespect to them, but most WWII vets are dead now. And no disrespect to Cap, but i'm sure that once they finished reading the Cap comics while in the trenches, they used it for toilet paper. That's what you do in the military. You do whatever you have to do to pass the time and keep your sanity. When i was in the Army me and my platoon used to read IronFist comics; does that suddenly make him iconic and popular character now, too?

Very few characters have that type of history or longevity that Captain America has. He predates Iron Man, Hulk, Spider-man, X-men, and Wolverine yet he stayed there throughout their growth and development as well.
And the biggest question of them all i have for you is........

..what the hell does Golgo-13's popularity have to do with ANY of this??!!!

Your avatar is of the assassin.

 

[Rich Santoro]

TheVileOne
Here's what I'm saying. I'm saying a sequel is unlikely because no sequel is planned for the forseeable future, and then if they start waiting that long to make a TIH sequel it's pretty much the same situation after Hulk 2003.

I understand your point... I don't disagree with you on this. I will leave it at that. Moving on...

 

[Obi-Ron]

Gale Hurd has basically said that a Hulk sequel hinges on fans going on the internet and demanding it (see sig), so I still plan on hyping TIH 2 until Marvel throws me a bone and puts it into production, economics be damned.

 

[Chris Wallace]

^ I meant the shabby BO performance... indicating to me that the general public thought it was a weak film.

Indicating to many people that the general public thought it was a weak film; Marvel & Universal included. Otherwise it would've been Eric Bana going toe-to-toe against the Abomination in a Lee-directed sequel, and it would've happened some years ago.
I'm starting to wonder if this year's movie might've gotten a better response had it been made clear that this was not a sequel to Lee's film.

 

[Golgo-13]

I'm sure you've conducted this experiment yourself. I bet you if I went to elementary, middle, or high schools filled with kids who play the video games and watch the animations starring Cap would feel differently. And they are the target demographic.

I'm speaking hypothetically here. Come on, you know this. Certain areas may be more familiar with him than others, but as a whole, he is far from a household name.

Where are you numbers on Cap merchandise coming from? What's your source?

Cap's merchandise can't be selling as much as several of the other Marvel characters merchandise simply because there's not as much of it out there, like Spideys or The Hulk's. That's just common sense. There are limited areas where he can be plugged into the market. He doesn't have a hit movie. He doesn't have a hit tv series. I bet there are hardly any kids in America right now begging their parents for a Captain America lunch box or backpack, like they are for Hulk, IM or Spiderman merchandise.

Cap was a featured character in the animated movies Ultimate Avengers and Ultimate Avengers 2. He was a featured character in Ultimate Alliance the game which sold millions of copies. Yet you claim there haven't been any significant cartoons about him.

Very few characters have that type of history or longevity that Captain America has. He predates Iron Man, Hulk, Spider-man, X-men, and Wolverine yet he stayed there throughout their growth and development as well.
And the biggest question of them all i have for you is........

Yes, so that should ring a bell since he hasn't had nearly as much as exposure via media as the characters you've named but yet has been around ALOT longer than any of them. Look at Batman. He first appeared in 1939,just a mere two years earlier than Cap did, and look at how many movies, cartoons, series have been done about him. Captain America just doesn't have the 'IT' factor that have made the other Marvel charaters such shining stars. We've had multiple Hulk and Spiderman cartoons over the past decades, tv series' and now movies about them but yet Cap has been around alot longer than any of them. That should tell you something.

Either Marvel doesn't believe in him like they do Spiderman, or the international response to him, as a solo character,have been really 'meh' over the decades.

Your avatar is of the assassin.

I know that, but why even use that as an example?

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm speaking hypothetically here. Come on, you know this. Certain areas may be more familiar with him than others, but as a whole, he is far from a household name.

I triangle choke your hypotheticals .

Cap's merchandise can't be selling as much as several of the other Marvel characters merchandise simply because there's not as much of it out there, like Spideys or The Hulk's. That's just common sense. There are limited areas where he can be plugged into the market. He doesn't have a hit movie. He doesn't have a hit tv series. I bet there are hardly any kids in America right now begging their parents for a Captain America lunch box or backpack, like they are for Hulk, IM or Spiderman merchandise.

Again, I'm not sure where you are pulling these facts or figures out of. Cap constantly gets new toys and action figures from. He's a featured character in the animated movies and video games. When Cap is in his own movie, and when Cap will be starring in the Avengers TV series are you going to tell me there won't be more Cap merchandise to be sold?

Yes, so that should ring a bell since he hasn't had nearly as much as exposure via media as the characters you've named but yet has been around ALOT longer than any of them. Look at Batman. He first appeared in 1939,just a mere two years earlier than Cap did, and look at how many movies, cartoons, series have been done about him. Captain America just doesn't have the 'IT' factor that have made the other Marvel charaters such shining stars. We've had multiple Hulk and Spiderman cartoons over the past decades, tv series' and now movies about them but yet Cap has been around alot longer than any of them. That should tell you something.

So what? Again. Iron Man.

Once again, the death of the character in the comics made huge mainstream national news. That's how big of a deal Cap is in the public eye. And that's not a hypothetical.

Either Marvel doesn't believe in him like they do Spiderman, or the international response to him, as a solo character,have been really 'meh' over the decades.

Spider-man's not the same as Captain America. There's always been a more everyman quality to Spider-man. And Spider-man helped revolutionize comics in the 60's. That doesn't mean Captain America isn't well known or popular though.

I know that, but why even use that as an example?

Because it's Golgo 13.

 

[Chris Wallace]

In all fairness, I have come across many a kid in the last-I'll say 12 years who could easily recognize Spider-Man & had no clue who Captain America was.

 

[TheVileOne]

That's not surprising because a kid is more likely to know more about Spider-man than Captain America. But it also doesn't mean that no one knows Cap either.

 

[Chris Wallace]

NO, it doesn't. It does, however, mean that Spidey has been more widely publicized in more various media than Cap, at least over the last 12 years.

 

[Golgo-13]

That's not surprising because a kid is more likely to know more about Spider-man than Captain America. But it also doesn't mean that no one knows Cap either.

That's my whole point. You said it yourself before that the younth are these superheroes key demographics. Cap is not as mainstream or as popular as Spidey, or Hulk, nor is he selling as much merchandise. That's just fact!

I triangle choke your hypotheticals .

And i refuse to tap out!

Again, I'm not sure where you are pulling these facts or figures out of. Cap constantly gets new toys and action figures from. He's a featured character in the animated movies and video games. When Cap is in his own movie, and when Cap will be starring in the Avengers TV series are you going to tell me there won't be more Cap merchandise to be sold?

Who are the the main ppl that buy these toys? Collectors and fanboys; hardly a significant percentage of the public as a whole. Compare that to Hulk merchandise; you have fanboys, collectors AND the general public buying his stuff cause he has had movies, and cartoons made about him. It's easy math to figure out who's gonna be selling more. The same could have been said about IM a few years back, but now that he's had a hit movie and has become more mainstream, his merchandise is in a bit more of demand. Cap has YET to get to that status.

Once again, the death of the character in the comics made huge mainstream national news. That's how big of a deal Cap is in the public eye. And that's not a hypothetical.

No one i know heard about his death? As a matter of fact it's news to me period.

Now when Superman was killed by Doomsday; that made national news. But Captain America...come on.

Spider-man's not the same as Captain America. There's always been a more everyman quality to Spider-man. And Spider-man helped revolutionize comics in the 60's. That doesn't mean Captain America isn't well known or popular though.

There's an every man quality about Hulk too, yet you said before ppl aren't that thrilled about seeing him on the big screen based on the outcome of his two movies. The first one CLEARLY tainted the perception of the re-boot. The 1966, 1982 and 1996 cartoon, and the hit tv series are clear proof that Hulk is a popular character, and ppl want to see him. Captain America just doesn't have the kinda attraction that Spidey, Hulk, Batman and Superman have for ppl....

 

[TheVileOne]

There isn't an everyman quality to Hulk because in the Hulk movies he's not trying to just live his life everyday while also being a super hero.