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....and here's an interview by Greg Weisman about his plans for future episodes, as well as screenshots of "Satisfaction"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41210

It has seemed like too damn long since we had new episodes, as well as previews of new episodes and another interview with Greg Weisman about the latest chunk of episodes. Even if in reality it's only been 2.5 months - a modest gap in the history of the show's air schedule on CN. As well as a reminder about that brief time when Season 2 only had 10 episodes, before being doubled to 20.

The interview is pretty good; probably the most notable part to me was the discussion about the "six leads". The "TLDR" version (and seriously, it wasn't that long; I've written reviews longer than this interview) is that Weisman notes that while the show has a large cast of reoccurring characters who are all important to the tapestry, that the show still revolves around the "six leads" (Robin, Aqualad, Kid-Flash, Superboy, Miss Martian, and Artemis). It is ironic that this topic is brought up before the premiere of an episode revolving around Red Arrow, but that's noted in the interview as a break from the main plot.

I still feel that out of those "six leads", some characters tend to get more focus than others, but maybe that is natural. I still have yet to be convinced that all of the supporting characters whose focus ranges from cameo to focal point do more than distract from the leads. Imagine that someone has chosen to produce "ROMEO AND JULIET" only it is a version where every named character (besides the titular two) gets extra lines and extended monologues, where even some of the nameless cameo roles have more flashy sequences; the main narrative becomes distracted. A large cast is fine; one could argue all of life is a large cast. I simply am aware of the temptation with team shows to go whole hog on it, and perhaps the fact that the "six leads" need to be affirmed in bold text is an acknowledgement that there was a risk of that being lost to the viewer. Or some viewers.

At any rate, I am looking forward to "SATISFACTION" although Red Arrow (or Angry Arrow as I usually call him) seems to be the main focus. Well, him, the "real Roy" and the other archer characters. I'm not as fanatic about archers as some fans are - I like Marvel's Hawkeye but not nearly as much as many typical Marvel fans - so it isn't like I hate the character, but that he's one of my least favorite ones in the show. Apparently the intervention for Red Arrow has stuck as he's been looking healthier since Cheshire and Lian entered his life. It does look like the B-plot will be reactions to the "death" of Artemis. The scene at the cemetery was good; among the ramifications of "the plan" are that Cheshire and possibly Sportsmaster may end up gunning for Aqualad/Black Mantalad for vengeance. And it looks like "real Roy" may be angrier than even Angry Arrow - not without reason, of course. I like the touch that Lian is apparently Artemis' middle name; cements the ties between her and Cheshire since that's the name of her daughter. I can imagine Wally being more concerned for the genuine pain their plan is causing everyone around them than Grayson or Kaldur may be. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the points at the end of the season is to what degree were some of "the six leads" willing to compromise morals and manipulate others to attain a goal - which is precisely what "The Light" do, only on a grander and more destructive scale. Could they wind up forming a superhero version of "The Light" - doing more than being glorified responders?

There is apparently a memorial section of the HQ which appears to confirm that not only Aquagirl is dead (or believed dead), that there was apparently a Jason Todd Robin as well. Naturally that does add a little something to Nightwing's "Try not to die," line to Drake in the season premiere. The Ted Kord Blue Beetle is also there; it is ironic that Kord never started appearing in animation before until after DC Comics killed him off. Apparently a superhero who fights crime with gadgets and an armada of vehicles with a sense of humor doesn't work unless he's Batman, or Iron Man.

Perhaps the biggest surprise to me was the appearance of Captain Cold in the photo section. Considering that whenever "the ice villains" have turned up in the show, either Mr. Freeze, Icicle Jr. or Icicle Sr. have had much of the dialogue, I wasn't expecting to see Captain Cold again. Of course, he could simply be one of a group of villains who turn up for a fight, much like Mammoth, Shimmer, and Riddler were in "USUAL SUSPECTS". It would continue the show's tradition of almost never having rogues from a particular gallery actually battle the hero (or sidekick) from said gallery, with a few Bat/Super/Aqua-exceptions. Count Vertigo is a Green Arrow villain; had his most notable episode fighting Kid-Flash. Abrakadabrah is a Flash villain; spends no time fighting Kid-Flash in "DENIAL". Neutron is a Superman villain; fights the entire Flash family in "BLOODLINES". Thus, it would make perfect sense for Captain Cold to turn up in an episode fighting the Green Arrow family. Not exactly complaining, mind you; when done well it extends the universe a bit and has characters who usually don't meet fight each other. Take it to an extreme and you have "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN" (the Spider-Man show where actual Spider-Man villains are a rarity), but YJ is nowhere near that extreme. Will Deathstroke/Slade Wilson even meet Nightwing and Beast-Boy in this show? We'll have to see.

In fairness maybe with some exceptions DC villains have done a better job of branching out enough beyond their galleries than many Marvel villains until recently.

Also, who were those kids at the HQ memorial section? Gar Logan, Tim Drake, Jaimie Reyes and Bart Allen? I mean who else is a male red head on the current "team"? If it is Bart, does his knowledge from the future have any baring on this?

With only the original six knowing about Artemis' death being a fake, it's a pretty significant gambit for a lot of reasons.

from comic book resources

WOW

So ALSO Superboy and Ms. Martian knows that Artemis is not dead!!

In fairness, Weisman doesn't say that the "original six" know the truth about Artemis. It was the interviewer from CBR who used that phrase. Weisman simply affirmed the characters he saw as the "original six" and noted there would be "huge ramifications" in regards to that story arc.

As of the last aired episode, 2/3rds of the "original six" are in on the secret.
 
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Jason Todd!!!!!

Another shout out with no context... le sigh

Or maybe there is context. I hope one of those people standing around is Drake and he at least take 40 seconds to mention the death of a Robin.

Also, because I don't know, who are other tributes?
 
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Another shout out with no context... le sigh

Or maybe there is context. I hope one of those people standing around is Drake and he at least take 40 seconds to mention the death of a Robin.

Also, because I don't know, who are other tributes?

Left to right: Artemis, Jason Todd, Tula a.k.a. Aquagirl and Ted Kord a.k.a. the second Blue Beetle
 
In that episode "Salvage," the dark figure near the end could be the Red Hood.

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Nah. The SDCC trailer more or less confirms that the "partner" is
Black Beetle, a member of the alien race known as The Reach.
 
An update on the video game website. They now have the game models for all the playable characters and all but one of the bosses.

www.youngjusticelegacy.com

EDIT: In addition, new synopsi for the episodes in October:

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/2...ted-series-episode-schedule-for-october-2012/

"Synposi", nice. :up:

It always is interesting to see 2D character designs translated into 3D (or closer to it) for a video game. While designer Phil B. is a big fan of anime and cites influence from the character LUPIN THE THIRD for his Joker design, I always seem to notice it more with his Riddler. It likely is because they both wore green jackets at various times.

As for the synposi:
Invasion: 208 - Satisfaction
Original Airdate - September 29th, 2012
Roy Harper seeks vengeance against the man who ruined his life!

Invasion: 209 - Darkest
Original Airdate - October 6th, 2012
Black Manta has a new mission for his son: a mission that should prove once and for all exactly whose side Aqualad is on!

Invasion: 210 - Before The Dawn
Original Airdate - October 13th, 2012
On a covert mission to rescue some of its own, The Team, Blue Beetle and Miss Martian uncover shocking secrets… and devastating truths!

Invasion: 211 - Cornered
Original Airdate - October 20th, 2012
The Team is trapped inside the Hall of Justice for a cage match against a brutal alien gladiator!

Invasion: 212 - True Colors
Original Airdate - October 27th, 2012
When the REACH forms a devil’s alliance with Lexcorp, Robin leads a squad undercover to investigate.

I assume "DARKEST" and "BEFORE THE DAWN" will be a two part episode or at least strongly linked together since both titles stem from the same phrase. The log lines also suggest that these might be the episodes from which many of the clips from the teaser involving the attempted rescue of Ty/L'Gann as well as Black Beetle's revelation are shown. I imagine Jaime will learn that Ty was among the captured metahumans and I wonder if Miss Martian will learn Aqualad's true role in L'Gann's abduction. It will be interesting how harshly she judges him if so, considering she's willing to psychically lobotomize people for information and is not above psychically influencing a boyfriend.

The tag lines also confirm that this will be THE REACH featured in this series. I wonder if they will be linked to Apokolips beyond their mutual dealings with "The Light". I also who the "alien gladiator" will be in "CORNERED". Will it be Despero? He is a classic Justice League villain and many suspect that 3-eyed being from the teaser was him.

I also imagine "TRUE COLORS" will further reveal just how in bed with some of these various invasion species "The Light" are.

New DC Nation video. Not much about YJ, though:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1000355662074

Not much new, but just enough. I wonder if that shot of the six Leaguers is from "CORNERED".
 
OTIS!!!!!!!!!!!

I loved this episode, but as an old man... my DAY was made by hearing that voice say "Mistuh LOO-thor" !!!!!!!!!!!
 
Good episode todoy. Lex was awesome in this.
 
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Weisman does his homework when it comes to comics, man. He needs to be given some kind of Marvel/DC gig.
 
I really liked this episode. Luthor was fantastic. I wanted more exposition when they were in the grotto, but it was okay. I will have to rewatch some of the earlier episodes because I'm was a little lost. Still very good episode.

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lol...I am watching it again and I am confused by who everyone is because it's been so long. I may have to do a marathon to catch up on everything.
 
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I really liked the episode too. It was a quick and fun ride.

And seeing the scene with Jason made me realize that when Dick told Tim not to die, it likely had more to do with what happened to Jason than to Tula, who I mostly thought he was referring to at the time since I wasn't sure if this show would use Jason or not.

Really loved the use of Otis. "You want we should take him out now, Mistuh Loothor?" :funny:
 
I almost want to say that the long Young Justice hiatus was well worth it, cause dayum that was good episode. Well structured and fun with some great character moments. I can't wait to see where they're going with Connor!
 
Weisman does his homework when it comes to comics, man. He needs to be given some kind of Marvel/DC gig.

Nah, when YJ finishes, Disney needs to allow him to finally return to his baby. Still have my fingers crossed that "Gargoyles 2198" will some day get made.

Great episode, btw.
 
I loved this episode. It is always nice and rare to see heroes in their downtime. I wish we would see mroe of that aspect of their lives. Though I noticed half the females dont really even have a secret identity so hanging out together kind of puts them in the possible lime out for the ones who do.
 
Welcome back, Young Justice! Really fun episode, and the Otis character was such a good touch...well done!
 
Another great episode. This show keeps getting better. I'm excited to see this family feud w/the Mantas & Sportsmaster/Chesire. Arsenal was damn good even w/1 arm
 
I really liked the episode too. It was a quick and fun ride.

And seeing the scene with Jason made me realize that when Dick told Tim not to die, it likely had more to do with what happened to Jason than to Tula, who I mostly thought he was referring to at the time since I wasn't sure if this show would use Jason or not.

Really loved the use of Otis. "You want we should take him out now, Mistuh Loothor?" :funny:

This. :up:
 
After a wait of some 2.5 months, "YOUNG JUSTICE: INVASION" is back on CN with the start of a run of at least 5 new episodes and which will likely run into November; historically CN has always run blocks of the show in 6-7 week chunks, at least. While it is unknown whether there will be a third season - if CN wants even one episode of such a season ready by Fall/Winter 2013, it has to be approved within weeks or a month or so at most - what is known is that this is the first of 13 episodes this season has left. To play optimist for a second, 13 episodes was the ENTIRE length of a season for most shows on Kid's WB as well as many DC animated shows on CN until, well...."YOUNG JUSTICE" Season 1. Regardless, "SATISFACTION" picks up right after "DEPTHS" and the ramifications from that episode are felt, even if it isn't the main plot. Instead the plot revolves around the Arrow family in general and the "genuine" Roy Harper in particular.

For total disclosure, I am not a fan of Speedy/Roy Harper. Never was, from comics to "TEEN TITANS". I don't even really care for Green Arrow, honestly. Having said that, Greg Weisman and "YJ" certainly are trying their damnedest to change my mind, since Roy - clone or otherwise - always seems to benefit from some of the best episodes the series displays. For the sake of typing speed I will refer to Clone Arrow/Red Arrow as Roy and the "real Roy" as Speedy at least until the end. In many ways this episode acts as a sequel and comparison piece to "TARGETS", which was another Roy-focused episode. In that episode, Roy was attempting to prevent an assassination attempt on Lex Luthor's life. In this episode, he's essentially seeking the same thing - only this time the assassin is the person he was cloned from. From how he acts, I imagine even Luthor appreciates the irony of such a situation.

Having been liberated from one of Ra's Al Ghul's lairs in "BLOODLINES" by Roy and Cheshire, Speedy has finally woken up in the hospital and gets the Cliff's Notes version of the nightmare that is his life by Ollie and Roy. He's essentially been off the grid for 8 years, CADMUS took his arm to use for an endless supply of blood and tissue for their cloning experiments, and since it was Lex Luthor's minions who captured him in the first place, Speedy decides on getting revenge. In an interesting turn of events, Speedy bares no ill will towards his clone - figuring he didn't ask to be cloned and in fact spent most of his "life" attempting to liberate his progenitor - but whatever ill will isn't directed at Luthor is initially aimed at Ollie for being fooled by the scheme. Not being a big fan of any of these characters, I thought it was extremely well handled. The fact that Speedy accepts a clone's existence within 4 minutes despite a lot of turmoil to overcome but it took Superman A YEAR to get to that point is rather telling; Superman's a ****, as that website says. Ollie's lamentation upon the torment all of his sidekicks have endured felt genuine - more so than I usually ever felt from Batman, honestly - and flowed nicely into the subplot of mourning for Artemis. Of course, Speedy isn't content to lay in a hospital bed; he promptly escapes, raids one of Ollie's GA safe houses for weapons and a costume, and makes a beeline to LEXCORP for his only motivation - take Luthor down. When the log lines revealed this episode was about Speedy seeking revenge against the man who ruined his life, I guessed it'd most likely be Luthor, and I was right.

The B-plot is a quick round up of how everyone is absorbing the "loss" of Artemis, as well as noting those who know the secret are handling it. Mal Duncan has vowed revenge against Aqualad for killing Artemis and kidnapping Lagoon Boy - something which naturally rubs Nightwing the wrong way. Meanwhile, Wally is beside Mrs. Crock as the loss of her daughter seems to be the straw which has broken her back - even more so than the physical loss of her mobility. While I can imagine Grayson being concerned about how safe Aqualad will be with everyone gunning for him, I feel Wally is more concerned about the emotional turmoil this is causing everyone close to them. After all, Mrs. Crock would have been his mother-in-law had Wally and Artemis married. The two characters seem to display a lot without even a single word of dialogue. Virtually all of the remaining heroines - Megan, Barb, Zatanna, Wonder Girl, and even Black Canary - attempt to move on by attending Rocket's bridal shower, but wind up venting against a hopelessly outmatched Capt. Cold. It was good to see Rocket again considering I've usually felt her late season addition to "the team" last season was mostly a waste - just to provide a legitimate excuse for an in-character recap as well as an extra set of powers for the finale. I thought she could have been a fun character to play off Kaldur to get him out of his shell a little, but that obviously isn't the path the show took. The rest of the male heroes are off on their own endeavors. I liked the bit in the lair's memorial ground between Jaime and Impulse (Tim and Gar are there, but have no lines). We learn that there was a second, prior Robin who died but not his name (which probably isn't too vital for anyone but more hardcore geeks). This time around Bart Allen isn't quite as annoying since he essentially only has one scene, where he tries to relate to Jaime. He let some of his true history slip by admitting he may have come to the fore after his would-be mentor had died as well. It is odd that the League doesn't want public monuments of dead heroes - although in fairness, Ted Kord was likely the only actual member of the actual Justice League who died. The most noteworthy tidbit from the B-plot are Sportsmaster and Cheshire vowing to avenge Artemis for completely different reasons. Cheshire, since she actually has a shred of decency to her (even if only a shred) wants to take out Aqualad to avenge her sister, who she did love deep down. Sportsmaster, however, feels professionally insulted because Black Manta's organization took out his daughter without "permission" from him, so his reputation is on the line. Considering Weisman obviously likes Sportsmaster a great deal - virtually NO character has ever defeated him in single combat, and only Red Arrow fought him without being completely embarrassed - this could be a major turning point in the struggle against "The Light", even if it may be an unintended consequence. Sportsmaster was one of "The Light"'s most reliable minions and he likely knows a great deal of their dealings. Since this is a show where the heroes rarely actually win, but merely prevent the villains from a total victory, getting some actual villains on their side could be key. I wouldn't be surprised that the loss of Sportsmaster and Cheshire as minions on call could be the reason why "The Light" decide to turn to Deathstroke and "Tigress", as the teasers showed. Naturally this could all get a bit hairy if/when everyone figures out this is all a deception, but that's drama. I can imagine Kaldur, Grayson, and even Artemis to a degree being able to accept being a pariah for the greater good, but how would Wally handle it? The last bit is that it seems the show is trying to hook Conner up with Wendy (of "Wendy & Marvin" from high school), which was a little unexpected but I saw as a parallel to Clark's Lois, same as Wolf is essentially Conner's Krypto. Considering I've never been a fan of Superboy and he annoyed me often times last season, he's grown on me a bit more this season. Which is good since he's the MVP of the entire series thus far.

Onto the main plot, the episode climaxes with Speedy staging his attack upon LEXCORP in general and in particular battling the robotic Mercy across a parking lot. The last parking lot fight the show had was "COLDHEARTED" and this probably blows even that out of the water. Additional highlights? One of Luthor's many security grunts is called Otis, and calls him "Mister Lou-Thor", akin to the Donner SUPERMAN films. This is a great way to pay homage to the past without being a slave to it. Will this loyal grunt be able to retire to Otisburg once his career is over? In the end, Luthor is able to survive assassination by using his only real superpowers - his mind and his snake's tongue - to convince Speedy to accept compensation for his grievances and walk away. Thus, he decides to become Arsenal, complete with guns and a mechanical arm - Cable without the time travel. I liked the little dig at the codename of Red Arrow, as if Speedy thought it was something a clone WOULD come up with. The biggest issue with the ending is that one would have to be a sucker to expect a gift from Luthor to not come with strings attached - as Conner learned from the S-shields from "AGENDAS" to "USUAL SUSPECTS". However, one has to remember that while Speedy DID have training, he was captured at the start of his costumed career and despite all of his skill and motivation, WOULD still be a bit "green" in the experience department. I can easily imagine the arm being able to control Arsenal via his nervous system with a command - assuming Speedy himself doesn't have some programmed code-word much like Red Arrow ("broken arrow") and Superboy ("red sun") had. Maybe that's why he accepted the arm in the first place - Luthor used the right code word? Hell, considering Jason Todd's resurrection these days is connected to Ra's Al Ghul, I wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up somewhere down the line.

Quibbles? They exist but they're very minor. The biggest being that some beats and lines were so predictable I saw them coming at least a minute before they happened. Seriously, who expected Speedy to still be there once Roy left the room? When Speedy ordered Mercy to disarm and Lex said, "she has no weapons", who DIDN'T see the next line/story beat coming a mile away? Once Captain Cold showed up not far from the baby shower, I knew he'd be at the receiving end of a girl power moment. Speaking of Capt. Cold, considering he's the leader of Flash's rogues gallery and is popular enough to get his own mini series during FLASHPOINT, I was a little dismayed to be honest to see him used as a comic relief punching bag. Apparently if you expect a villain with an ice gun to be taken seriously in animation, his name starts with a Mister and not a Captain. There is a part of me getting tired of virtually none of Flash's villains being portrayed as any sort of threat in animation besides Mirror Master and to a limited degree Professor Zoom, especially considering even B and C list Superman and Batman villains are almost always a challenge in plots. I don't have a problem with that scene; just using Capt. Cold in it. I mean, even Killer Moth has been depicted as a bad ass in animation, and Killer Moth is only slightly more of a menacing name than "Combat Gerbil". Hell, considering Cold and most of Flash's rogues are in it for the money rather than over the top quests, you'd think they'd make capable minions for "The Light". But, as I said at the start of this paragraph, these are minor quibbles, not anything structurally damaging.

Overall, this was an excellent episode which had a great fight in its climax as well as furthers along the story arc of the season rather well. Virtually every character in the season's cast showed up and it didn't feel overwhelming, at least because the episode was clearly focused on a few of them. The vocal performances are great as usual, with some extra nods to Kelly Hu and Crispin Freeman. I am still not convinced that a cast this large will have anything which appears to be a clear lead, much less six of them, but at the very least I can always count on some good action and some tight writing regardless of who the episodes spotlight. If "ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN" has taught me anything, it is that a well written show about a character I hate is better than a poorly written show about a character I love. Who knows; more episodes like this and I may actually get to genuinely like some of the Arrow's.
 
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I find it sad that none of the oiher team members seem to care about Conner. They could have at least said happy birthday to the guy.
 
Conner has issues.... I mean the guy is just six years old. Six year olds usually have issues. Plus, it doesn't help that he's been wearing the same shirt since he was 18...I mean 3...lol

For me that scene with Conner was a set up for him being the Conner in Crisis. He will rebel against the legacy...

lol...another reason I hate this dude...lol. He'll be easy prey for Luthor when the time comes.
 
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