Your opinions on the NEXT Superman film?

[Kevin Smith]

Personally, I think reboot with or without Routh (Routh is awesome but he might have to go, unfortunately). He was the best thing about SR, IMO, it wasn't his fault the story was bad. Superman Returns, IMO, had everything a good film should have - good cast, director, SFX, score - everything but a good story, and therein lies the problem. You can't make a good film without a good story, no matter how "good" everything else is, if there's no good story then you have nothing and the movie falls apart. It all starts with a story, and that is where I find fault with Superman Returns. I'm sure Brandon Routh would agree. If Routh never plays Superman again, Bryan Singer (and maybe WB) should pay Routh for life, as the potentially ruined what would have otherwise jumpstarted his carreer.

 

[Billy Batson]

Where's the reboot with Welling option in this Poll?

 

[dnno1]

Just select "Reboot without Routh".

 

[DrayvensCrow]

While I enjoyed SR for what it was, I have to agree that the story was the weakest part of everything involved in it, with the costume coming in a verrrry close second. With a reboot to the darker side, I'm not certain how that's gonna work. Routh was great and I'd love to see Welling take a shot a being the Big Blue Boy Scout sans Smallville baggage. But I don't see him changing his mind anytime soon and Brandon truly deserves a shot at Supes with a good story this time. If Chris Reeve had his III and IV, then Brandon can be given the benefit of one more shot.

 

[Webhead2006]

We pretty much know routh isnt going to be coming back. Robinov made it clear Sr failed in their eyes and they want to go in a new an total different direction which is revamp/reboot superman. So routh isnt going to be back. As for Sr it self i made it clear many times i did not like it at all. There was a few things here and there i thought were ok at best but the film sucked on many levels for me and a good majority of the fan community. I cant wait to hear who has gotten the role as director, writer in the next few months when they official reveal the news.

 

[dude stannis]

Reboots just need to die a painful death that involves elephants and sodomy. I got sick of comic books refusing to stay consistent and going as far as retconning the occurances of the previous comic. Now this bullcrap is spilling over into films. I do hope studios realize reboots do nothing for film franchises financially, Batman Begins made the same amount of money as Batman & Robin if you adjust for inflation. Same as the Incredible Hulk and 2003's Hulk. The exception is Casino Royale and that was being marketed as a sequel anyway.

Hopefully this will fail, not out of spite, but to spare the world the certainties of McClane Begins, The Incredible Indiana Jones and Rambo Royale.

 

[Superman-Prime]

My opinion on the next Superman film?

Reboot without Brandon Routh, it is gonna be epic fail.

 

[Changeling]

Dude. You're just ignoring the truth. Superman Returns was a good movie. But a good Superman movie it was not.

 

[DrayvensCrow]

As much as I agree about reboots in comics, you do have to admit that occasionally a reboot is needed to renew a character for new readers instead of the major retcon that DC practiced for so long. Again, I'm not sure how a Supes reboot under WB's new "vision" is going to work:Big Blue, like WW, is a point of light in an otherwise dark age. Let me see what WB has up their sleeve for Supes and I can decide from there.

 

[The Question]

Where's the reboot with Welling option in this Poll?

Languishing in limbo were all horrible ideas belong.

 

[dude stannis]

Dude. You're just ignoring the truth. Superman Returns was a good movie. But a good Superman movie it was not.

That is not truth in any way. That's opinion.

 

[Webhead2006]

Everyone has different opinions on SR, to me i thought it was a terrible superman film for a majority of reasons so i am totally happy we are getting a reboot which is wb last chance for superman since its more then likely they are indeed going to lose the copyright to superman in 2013 if shuster's heir court battle goes in his favor. I just hope this time around they get director/writer that knows how the character is and what to do with the character.

 

[DarkSuperman]

Billy Zane as Lex Luthor!

 

[Spade]

A reboot has no need for previous actors. Routh gave his try at Superman, but he didn't resonate with the general public. That's because, frankly, he's no Christopher Reeve. He just has a resemblance. Neither, for that matter, is Welling appropriate for the part. It's about time we stopped looking for a Superman that looks like he came out of Donner's film and started looking for an actor who embodies the qualities of the Superman we all know and love in the comics.

If you're a fan of any previous Superman, then fine. No one's saying you can't be. But for God's sake, can we stop with this stupid in-fighting? The character is many times more important than who is playing him. If you're just a fan of the actor that played him, then go watch a movie with that dude in it. Neither Welling nor Routh have fallen off the grid. But don't flood every reboot thread with "WB sucks, ROUTH for Superman sequel 2009" or "Welling for Supes reboot." We all know it ain't happening.

 

[Webhead2006]

A reboot has no need for previous actors. Routh gave his try at Superman, but he didn't resonate with the general public. That's because, frankly, he's no Christopher Reeve. He just has a resemblance. Neither, for that matter, is Welling appropriate for the part. It's about time we stopped looking for a Superman that looks like he came out of Donner's film and started looking for an actor who embodies the qualities of the Superman we all know and love in the comics.

If you're a fan of any previous Superman, then fine. No one's saying you can't be. But for God's sake, can we stop with this stupid in-fighting? The character is many times more important than who is playing him. If you're just a fan of the actor that played him, then go watch a movie with that dude in it. Neither Welling nor Routh have fallen off the grid. But don't flood every reboot thread with "WB sucks, ROUTH for Superman sequel 2009" or "Welling for Supes reboot." We all know it ain't happening.

Very good post.

 

[Superman-Prime]

I'm not going to watch the new Superman reboot in the future. Not gonna happen and I won't even spend my money to go watch this.

I'm a fan of Superman for many years, since I was a kid and I want Brandon Routh back for the sequel.

 

[Savage]

Totally reboot it but I wouldn't complain if the next Superman was a continuation of Smallville. That show SHOULD be coming to an end pretty soon anyway and we wouldn't have to see annoying Lana since it'd be a Lois and Clark story anyway. Plus you can't go wrong with Rosenbaum.

I'd be happy if they started from scratch though. Same difference to me as long as I get a good interpretation of Superman and his supporting characters.

I think the Donner-verse is just...done. It's very outdated even though they try to give it a timeless quality. It's time for a modern setting.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well prime singer and routh are not going to be coming back, that much is totally clean from robinov. They gave the company a failed product in many people's eyes so they are not going to blow another 200million dollars on them to screw it up again. Its clear they want to move away from singer's attempt and go in a new direction.

 

[Morg]

Superman-Prime, that sig is way over the limit, change the font size

 

[Brock]

I'm not going to watch the new Superman reboot in the future. Not gonna happen and I won't even spend my money to go watch this.

I'm a fan of Superman for many years, since I was a kid and I want Brandon Routh back for the sequel.

As someone said earlier, the character of Superman is much greater than the actor. Being a fan of Superman is different from being a fan of Routh. Refusing to see a sequel just because it doesn't have Routh in it is leaning towards simply being a Routh fan. I understand people have favorites. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Routh back for a second try with a better script, and I would like to see how Tom Welling could pull it off in the suit, but I know neither will be back. Routh is included in Singer's failure, and the company wants to leave that package behind completely and reintroduce Superman in a more modern way for a new audience. So, it's your decision whether or not to see it, but I believe being a Superman fan would mean at least giving it a shot.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea i gave Sr a shot and at first when it was filming i thought it would be a good film but once i was in the theater and saw it i was sorely pissed off cause it was such a terrible film in my mind. There was only a few things here and their i liked. The problem with singer and the writers were they were not comic fans and dont know what the character is today and pretty much made their film to mirror donnor's film and the whole film was pretty much a homage to donnor's film. And that silver age stuff doesnt kick it in todays world that superman is in. the silver age is 30 yrs old and not relivent today's world. The character has changed alot since then and we need to see this new film reflect the modern take on the character.

 

[dude stannis]

But being in continuity with Donner's films doesn't stop the movie from being comics accurate, according to Jett at BOF the sequel script was very comics accurate, while still being a direct sequel. I don't understand this concept that if one sequel isn't very good the whole series has to be rebooted over and over again. It's just dickless. I'm not a fan of Die Hard 2, but they didn't reboot and we got Die Hard With A Vengeance, I didn't like Rambo III but they didn't reboot and we got Rambo, Temple of Doom led to The Last Crusade, etc. If this next Superman movie bombs, are we doomed to watch Superman's orgin over and over and over again we get a film that doesn't?

 

[Savage]

Oh hell no. At this point they're allowed to pull a "The Incredible Hulk" and have it all flash across the screen in 3 minutes.

You're right though. They can probably pull it off without contradicting the other movies...Except in style and tone (will everybody at the Daily Planet get out of the 1930s already? I mean seriously). Hell, at this point I'd take a Michael Bay Superman over a Singer Superman just for the style, tone, and action alone. Talk about dullsville.

 

[Brock]

Yea i gave Sr a shot and at first when it was filming i thought it would be a good film but once i was in the theater and saw it i was sorely pissed off cause it was such a terrible film in my mind. There was only a few things here and their i liked. The problem with singer and the writers were they were not comic fans and dont know what the character is today and pretty much made their film to mirror donnor's film and the whole film was pretty much a homage to donnor's film. And that silver age stuff doesnt kick it in todays world that superman is in. the silver age is 30 yrs old and not relivent today's world. The character has changed alot since then and we need to see this new film reflect the modern take on the character.

Well said. Superman has been shown to have a darker side to not only his story and supporting cast, but also himself. A great example is during the Vanishing storyline that is famous due to Jim Lee's illustration. It shows Superman being looked at differently by some and Superman beginning to question his efforts. Batman begins to nod to Clark for him taking the events of the Vanishing personally, since Lois was one of the millions to suddenly disappear, and that says something when someone as dark as Batman thinks Clark is doing things the way Batman himself would do. I believe you can give Superman a darker tone, but still stay true to his nature and the ideals that we know him for. All it would take is, as Webhead said, someone who has read up on the characters recently and can form an original, but relevant material based script.

Superman Returns was decent for what it was. Being a sequel to the older movies and redoing the ones that failed, but the fact of the matter is that this movie isn't based for an audience from thirty years ago. It made money, yes. It's Superman, why wouldn't it? The main thing I have issues with was Jason. The Richard point was actually interesting to me, but as the comics have stated in many mainstream comics, Lois simply cannot give Superman children. Best example being Maxima's point to Superman. She could give him what not Earth woman can, children. Now, whether they changed that in the mainstream comics or not, that's out of my knowledge as of now. I know there are alternate universe stories that say she can, but still. They simply need to bring Superman up to speed, with audience and time period factors, to a level nearing the Batman franchise. Taking a serious tone, but still giving it some humor and lighter moments can be done.

 

[dude stannis]

Oh hell no. At this point they're allowed to pull a "The Incredible Hulk" and have it all flash across the screen in 3 minutes.

Aside from the little flash 3 minutes in, it was pretty much a sequel to 2003's Hulk. Would the absence of that little flash seriously detracted your enjoyment of TIH?

You're right though. They can probably pull it off without contradicting the other movies...Except in style and tone (will everybody at the Daily Planet get out of the 1930s already? I mean seriously). Hell, at this point I'd take a Michael Bay Superman over a Singer Superman just for the style, tone, and action alone. Talk about dullsville.

Yes a Michael bay Superman movie would be very dull.