Age of Ultron Your worries/concerns with Age of Ultron

[BigThor]

Let's be logical here, since that seems pretty hard to do around here.

You think they'll do all this building up to AOU only to take step down in the action?

 

[coluanprime]

They action doesn't look to MOS-y so far. It looks like the Avengers are trying to save everyone, not just 7 people.

 

[Incredible Hans]

LOL This gif is funny, can't believe some people actually hate IM3

This gif is funny.

Doesn't make IM3 a good movie though.

And now back to AoU...

 

[ZenTheAvenger]

My only concern is can they fit everything in without making the movie feel ridiculously bloated?

There is a lot to cover, particularly having to deal with the origins of both Ultron and then Vision.

 

[DoubleO88]

LOL This gif is funny, can't believe some people actually hate IM3

Perhaps people didn't want IM 3 to be a senseless comedy played up for children.

What kind of action do people want? Realistic action? The action is gonna be as realistic as it gets when you have an 8 ft killer robot a giant hulk buster and a hulk taking each other out.

 

[lukebrodyg]

They action doesn't look to MOS-y so far. It looks like the Avengers are trying to save everyone, not just 7 people.

Where exactly?

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Where exactly?

The shot where Hawkeye is leading loads of civilians into a carrier ship is one obvious example.

 

[lukebrodyg]

The shot where Hawkeye is leading loads of civilians into a carrier ship is one obvious example.

I must have missed that shot.

 

[Mjölnir]

Another example is Cap trying to save the car from going over the edge of the broken bridge, but the bumper tears off and the car falls.

 

[TeeKay]

IM3 was a senseless comedy played up for kids? Yes the story about a superhero facing an existential crisis and a crippling case of post-traumatic stress disorder.

Let's not also forget how the story has uintentional victims being used as suicide bombers as members of the military Industrial complex take advantage of our western societies' anxieties of foreign terrorism while lining up their own pockets for themselves.

Yep I was totally watching a kids flick here.

 

[lukebrodyg]

IM3 was a senseless comedy played up for kids? Yes the story about a superhero facing an existential crisis and a crippling case of post-traumatic stress disorder.

Let's not also forget how the story has uintentional victims being used as suicide bombers as members of the military Industrial complex take advantage of our western societies' anxieties of foreign terrorism while lining up their own pockets for themselves.

Yep I was totally watching a kids flick here.

Haha

 

[lukebrodyg]

Another example is Cap trying to save the car from going over the edge of the broken bridge, but the bumper tears off and the car falls.

True. I think we'll see similar destruction in AOU that we did in MOS but the fallout from fans won't be the same.

To be fair, you may have up to 9 Avengers fighting in this that could help lessen the blow to a city...

But the standard to which Superman is held is ridiculous and double minded. On the one hand, he's too powerful. If he saves everyone and no one dies you have a boring character and a boring movie. On the other, and as seen in MOS, he can't save everyone and people die so you have an irresponsible hero and a brainless movie.

The fan fallout from MOS is no secret, though, so im sure Joss is aware of this and will provide ways to avoid it.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

The thing is he already preceded it as well by having them obviously save civilians multiple times in the first film, as well as making it clear the battle was contained to 3 blocks.

I think people just wanted to see Superman save some civilians it's his thing.

 

[lukebrodyg]

The thing is he already preceded it as well by having them obviously save civilians multiple times in the first film, as well as making it clear the battle was contained to 3 blocks.

I think people just wanted to see Superman save some civilians it's his thing.

True, he did. Good point.

He did but admittedly not the way people wanted. I remember watching MOS and not once thinking "he's not saving anyone". I instead thought it he was trying to save everyone he could by defeating Zod over an already destroyed city.

Similarly, when watching Avengers, I didn't once think everyone is dying! I thought they were trying to save everyone they could by eliminating the entire threat.

I prefer watching movies my way. Lol

 

[TheVision]

Theres obviously gonna be mass devastation in AOU BUT that is going to lead into Civil War and theres gonna be repercussions for it all. Thats very important to note.

The way it was handled in MOS made me hate CGI destruction sequences. I did however really enjoy the Avengers Battle of NY. Like I said one directors vision can turn that kind of thing into a much more entertaining/smarter experience.

also IM3 is one of the best MCU films so far imo.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Theres obviously gonna be mass devastation in AOU BUT that is going to lead into Civil War and theres gonna be repercussions for it all. Thats very important to note.

also IM3 is one of the best MCU films so far imo.

True and it will be great. To that same point, BvS will deal with the fallout from MOS. Even though I didn't take issue like many, I'm glad there doing that. It makes sense and is good storytelling.

I'm not so fond of IM3 because I didn't feel that Tony was in any sense of peril because he spent so much time out of the suit. But, within the context of the story it made sense. I guess I'm just not a fan of the story. It does rank low on my favorites list of MCU films though.

 

[kedrell]

I will say that BvS has the opportunity to help make MoS a better film by addressing the elephant(s) in the room that MoS was oblivious to.

 

[Shikamaru]

True. I think we'll see similar destruction in AOU that we did in MOS but the fallout from fans won't be the same.

To be fair, you may have up to 9 Avengers fighting in this that could help lessen the blow to a city...

But the standard to which Superman is held is ridiculous and double minded. On the one hand, he's too powerful. If he saves everyone and no one dies you have a boring character and a boring movie. On the other, and as seen in MOS, he can't save everyone and people die so you have an irresponsible hero and a brainless movie.

The fan fallout from MOS is no secret, though, so im sure Joss is aware of this and will provide ways to avoid it.

The complaint wasn't the destruction itself but the fact he never attempted to save anyone in the middle of the it.

The fact Cap tries to save the people in those cars and actually talks about the collateral damage (as he's heard in the trailer) already makes it a far more acceptable situation.

 

[Kane52630]

Why would the action in this film be a step down from Cap 2?

What sense does that make?

Not really a "step down"... Some of us just prefer to see more hand to hand combat action scenes like in The Raid 2 and Cap 2 than the large epic CGI battle scenes that we've seen in so many big budget films. I know AoU is suppose to fall into the epic CGI category, but it doesn't get me as excited as the hand to hand category.

Hopefully Daredevil can achieve that for me even if it's on the small screen.

 

[kedrell]

^I prefer a nice variety of the types of action scenes. Too much of one type or another can get old fast.

 

[Mjölnir]

True. I think we'll see similar destruction in AOU that we did in MOS but the fallout from fans won't be the same.

To be fair, you may have up to 9 Avengers fighting in this that could help lessen the blow to a city...

But the standard to which Superman is held is ridiculous and double minded. On the one hand, he's too powerful. If he saves everyone and no one dies you have a boring character and a boring movie. On the other, and as seen in MOS, he can't save everyone and people die so you have an irresponsible hero and a brainless movie.

The fan fallout from MOS is no secret, though, so im sure Joss is aware of this and will provide ways to avoid it.

For me the biggest problem with Superman not trying to help people, or avoid destruction, during the fight with Zod is that they missed out on a more compelling story arc of the fight, rather than just two super beings hitting each other over and over with no visible effect on either of them.

If they had Superman sacrifice himself to save people during the fight, allowing the ruthless Zod to take advantage and get the upper hand, that would have made for a more compelling fight in my view, as well as telling the audience even more about who Superman is (or at least should be in many people's view).

The thing with the huge destruction before that fight wasn't that things can't break but rather that many found it to be lacking in dynamic. It just turned up to 11 right away and kept going, making it monotonous.

This is just listing some things I and other people have complained about and I'm not seeking to make this a discussion on MoS (I'm nothing but happy for the people that liked it). The point I'm making is that there's nothing saying that large destruction is automatically a problem. It comes down to if you manage to create a good story to back it up, since just large effects alone isn't worth much. How are the heroes dealing with the destruction, how do you pace it, how do others react to what the heroes are doing (are they saviors or seen as a source of the problem), etc.

We've already seen the Avengers trying to save people, we've heard how one member reacts poorly to what he had to do in battle, there's a team with varied powers that allow for good variety in action scenes, we've heard that the Avengers get shunned by the world for bringing destruction to the world, etc. All these things indicate that this movie will be different from how MoS dealt with these issues. Then it's up to every individual to judge what he/she likes best.

 

[TheVision]

lukebrodyg. re IM3: You felt Tony wasnt in peril because he spent so much time out of the suit? Thats exactly why he WAS in peril. He didnt have the suit to rely on, so he had to use his own ingenuity and wits to get out of the situations. Superman might be the original super hero but hes the worst one when it comes to movies. Hes nearly invincible, his disguise is a pair of glasses. Its just not a very good setup for a guy who has to live in 2015 among other heroes. On the other hand, Batman is really good.

 

[lukebrodyg]

The complaint wasn't the destruction itself but the fact he never attempted to save anyone in the middle of the it.

The fact Cap tries to save the people in those cars and actually talks about the collateral damage (as he's heard in the trailer) already makes it a far more acceptable situation.

He did during the metropolis fight. He also saved, you know, that family at the end and stuff. But I unerstand the point is people wanted to see more (Eve though the entire city was leveled while he was stopping something on the other side of the planet; keeping the planet and entire human race from dying.

Csp does have the benefit of other superheroes helping. But I agree I always appreciate the detail they put into casualties.

 

[lukebrodyg]

lukebrodyg. re IM3: You felt Tony wasnt in peril because he spent so much time out of the suit? Thats exactly why he WAS in peril. He didnt have the suit to rely on, so he had to use his own ingenuity and wits to get out of the situations.

It's a fair point that I won't rebut. I'm just saying that I didn't get the same sense of suspense as I did in the previous to because he wasn't in the suit.

But I understand what you're saying completely. To enjoy IM3, it's not fair to want it to be IM1 and 2 and that's what I did. In its own right, it makes sense but I still don't enjoy it much. But I've only seen it once. Maybe I should see it again.

 

[kedrell]

The best action scenes are merely a continuation of the story rather than being a break/pause in it.