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Age of Ultron Your worries/concerns with Age of Ultron

Repetitive enemies. We had a cyborg army in A1, a drone army in IM2 and another drone army in A2. After this film they should change the formula up.
 
Repetitive enemies. We had a cyborg army in A1, a drone army in IM2 and another drone army in A2. After this film they should change the formula up.

Ultron's army is like an extension of himself though. It's more similar to Smith and his copies from the Matrix sequels.
 
Tons of characters and expectations to top the original. New characters that have to get established and need subplots. Feasible set-up for Civil War.
 
Repetitive enemies. We had a cyborg army in A1, a drone army in IM2 and another drone army in A2. After this film they should change the formula up.

We had a Orc army for 3 Lord of the Rings films, we had Storm trooper armies for 3 Star Wars films. Doesn't stop them being great.

Not to mention it was hardly a drone army in IM2, it was like 20-30 drones and the battle lasted a minute.

Though I will say I still hope the final final battle is just Ultron, I don't want Ultron being taken out and then all the drones dying or them having to mop up the drones.

And also for IW I want it to mostly just be Thanos, and perhaps some minions but powerful minions not just an easily killable army.
 
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The Ultron army will depend on its portrayal, and how the scene measures against some great previous movies. The parallels with the Matrix Agent Smith scene could be tricky as this is an epic scene that will be difficult to beat. The LOTR battles involving large numbers of orcs were also brilliantly choreographed and set high standards.

I just want to see originality which obviously wasn't a problem for the first movie. The two Marvel films of 2014 set the bar very high for originality and great characterizations, and as long as these are met I will be happy.
 
Those kinds of arguments make no sense. These films revolve around science/technology and action.

Thats like doing a Western with no gunfighters or bandits.
 
I'm still worried that Cap will be portrayed as useless in this. I heard that even Evans has been quoted as saying that he's not really their leader, he actually shares the leadership role and tosses in battle strategy plans with Toney Stark.

Last Avengers, he's pretty much the only Avenger to have not done anything on a great scale. Tony flew the bomb out of the atmosphere, Hulk smashed one of them giant monsters and saved Ironman from falling to his death, Thor brought down one of the monsters and even helped Captain America to his feet when he got shot down, Hawkeye blew Loki off of his speeder jet and Black Widow closed the portal.

And don't give me this "oh he stopped Loki from killing an old guy" Loki was just toying with him there until Ironman shows up.
 
I'm still worried that Cap will be portrayed as useless in this. I heard that even Evans has been quoted as saying that he's not really their leader, he actually shares the leadership role and tosses in battle strategy plans with Toney Stark.

Last Avengers, he's pretty much the only Avenger to have not done anything on a great scale. Tony flew the bomb out of the atmosphere, Hulk smashed one of them giant monsters and saved Ironman from falling to his death, Thor brought down one of the monsters and even helped Captain America to his feet when he got shot down, Hawkeye blew Loki off of his speeder jet and Black Widow closed the portal.

And don't give me this "oh he stopped Loki from killing an old guy" Loki was just toying with him there until Ironman shows up.

Most of the quotes from Chris Evans point in the opposite direction. He actively insisted to Joss about Cap having a consistent power level with TWS, and having his fighting style involved. In addition, it has repeatedly been stated that Cap leads the missions. Tony just pays the bills. I wouldn't be too worried on that front.

I completely agree Captain America had barely any impact on the battles in Avenger 1 aside from the relatively poorly portrayed leadership skills (one line worth of orders at the beginning of the battle of NY, that's all?).
But TWS showed Joss the potential to have an awesome Cap in the MCU. If he learned something from the Russo brothers, he should be able to give us a more memorable Cap this time.
 
We had a Orc army for 3 Lord of the Rings films, we had Storm trooper armies for 3 Star Wars films. Doesn't stop them being great.

Not to mention it was hardly a drone army in IM2, it was like 20-30 drones and the battle lasted a minute.

Though I will say I still hope the final final battle is just Ultron, I don't want Ultron being taken out and then all the drones dying or them having to mop up the drones.

And also for IW I want it to mostly just be Thanos, and perhaps some minions but powerful minions not just an easily killable army.
The orcs in LOTR were given individual personalities at times. They were never treated at the mindless drones we saw in the Avengers. The same goes for Star Wars.
 
The orcs in LOTR were given individual personalities at times. They were never treated at the mindless drones we saw in the Avengers. The same goes for Star Wars.

I don't think Star Wars ever did much to make any stormtrooper seem like an individual that differed from the rest. Whenever they talked they were gullible and direct.

The orcs had commanders but other than that there was rarely much individual stuff from them during large battles, other than very nicely executed diverse appearances. The other orcs that had personality mainly came forth in scenes that weren't battles.

Neither were close to being a hive mind like it was in the Avengers, but I don't think the difference is all that large in practical terms when we compare the large scale battles.

I don't think we have to worry about the Ultron drones falling down dead when Ultron dies though. First of all I don't think they work that way and secondly Whedon is sure to not want to repeat that part. He has to use the army, both to help overwhelm the Avengers but also because that's what Ultron does. He said he wasn't overly fond of how the Chitauri fell over but that it was necessary to create a single triumphant moment for the Avengers as the movie was all about the team itself and not really so much about the threat.
 
Honestly, the only worry I have is that there won't be much to this movie, in terms of exploration of characters and concepts. It certainly looks fun, but that's all it looks so far. Hopefully Joss will spend a bit more time on the weighty themes of this movie than he did with elements of THE AVENGERS.
 
The orcs in LOTR were given individual personalities at times. They were never treated at the mindless drones we saw in the Avengers.

Yet in battle 99% of the time it didn't change anything.
In fact, in almost any CBM/fantasy/sci-fi/historical movie, aside from a handful of heroes the rest of the soldiers/warriors behave like mindless drones.
On the other hand, if developed well, the concept of having a villain whose army is a literal extension of himself could give us original situations.
 
I don't know if I really have what you'd call concerns at this point but more like wondering how greatly AoU will affect the rest of the MCU and influence Phase 3. TA didn't really provide all that big of a shake-up but AoU sounds like it will so it makes me a tad nervous/excited not knowing what's to come. I guess the best thing for a movie like this is to just put trust in all those involved in making the film and Marvel's track record in hoping the film is good and a box office success like the previous Avengers film.
 
I'm still worried that Cap will be portrayed as useless in this. I heard that even Evans has been quoted as saying that he's not really their leader, he actually shares the leadership role and tosses in battle strategy plans with Toney Stark.

Last Avengers, he's pretty much the only Avenger to have not done anything on a great scale. Tony flew the bomb out of the atmosphere, Hulk smashed one of them giant monsters and saved Ironman from falling to his death, Thor brought down one of the monsters and even helped Captain America to his feet when he got shot down, Hawkeye blew Loki off of his speeder jet and Black Widow closed the portal.

And don't give me this "oh he stopped Loki from killing an old guy" Loki was just toying with him there until Ironman shows up.

I liked Cap's portrayal in A1, and while I know its not hard data most of the people I know who now follow the MCU saw A1 first and liked the character enough to go back and watch TFA. No, he isn't the definite leader through out the movie, because part of the plot is getting them to even acknowledge they are a team (one that would originally have been lead by SHIELD), but he carries himself with maturity for a man who has just been ripped out of time. It's not just that Cap gives the orders to the team and the cops, its that he recognizes that the people around him are better equipped to win this battle and so he turns his attention to saving civilians, and to me that is all Cap.

One thing I think could have been clearer.... Listening to the commentaries, it seems to hint that when Loki has his scepter at Cap in the Germany scene he attempts to brainwash him but due to Cap's strong will and pure heart, he's immune. I don't know if they played that down so that Tony's moment would come as more of a surprise or if it was just poorly played.

I don't know if I really have what you'd call concerns at this point but more like wondering how greatly AoU will affect the rest of the MCU and influence Phase 3. TA didn't really provide all that big of a shake-up but AoU sounds like it will so it makes me a tad nervous/excited not knowing what's to come. I guess the best thing for a movie like this is to just put trust in all those involved in making the film and Marvel's track record in hoping the film is good and a box office success like the previous Avengers film.

TA let us all in on the big Infinity Stones secrets, it showed us our first look at Thanos, it left Tony building 5 suits a day to try and deal with his PTSD (and probably the ear in it's wake contributed to Killian's ability to play western terrors off the idea of The Mandarin), it brought Cap into SHIELD but also established that he shouldn't trust them and we all saw were that lead, it returned Loki to Asgard, and it killed Phil, which would later cause Fury to make the call and have him resurrected using alien DNA this kicking off the inhumanity plot thread.

A lot came from A1, it just came in a different form to say, TWS where SHIELD was taken out and everything was immediately changed in a big, singular moment. I have a feeling that AoU will end with one of those but also continue giving root to all the minor threads that eventually turn up through out the MCU.



As for me, personally, I'm just worried Whedon's gone brain dead from all this work and won't return to Marvel in any capacity. I just can't imagine IW with a different writer. Directors we can replace, but Whedon's writing has this wonderful quality to it that I don't want to lose.

Also, please let my poor Pietro have some decent screen time, if only to make a nuisance of himself.
 
And don't give me this "oh he stopped Loki from killing an old guy" Loki was just toying with him there until Ironman shows up.

You do realize Loki would defeat Cap any day of the week right?

Why is this such a common complaint?
 
I'm confident that even though Whedon's pretty much done directing Marvel films after AoU he still has a great relationship with the studio and an investment in the MCU and how it goes forward so he'll almost certainly stick around in a producing capacity and possibly writing as well.
 
You do realize Loki would defeat Cap any day of the week right?

Why is this such a common complaint?

He is not using it as a complain. He is saying he doesn't consider a feat what Cap did against Loki.
 
He is not using it as a complain. He is saying he doesn't consider a feat what Cap did against Loki.

Why isn't it a feat?

He fought someone FAR more powerful and got him some good shots of his own.
 
I'm confident that even though Whedon's pretty much done directing Marvel films after AoU he still has a great relationship with the studio and an investment in the MCU and how it goes forward so he'll almost certainly stick around in a producing capacity and possibly writing as well.

I know he's been stretched thin and overworked and doesn't have time for his own projects, but I would absolutely love if he stayed on as a writer/consultant. I'd definitely want him to pen IW, and maybe just review the other scripts and help out with problem scenes which I believe is part of his current responsibilities. Just something about the way he writes the characters, I feel as if I don't need any of the action or super heroics, I would be happy just listening to them chilling around at Avengers Towers for a holiday break.
 
Ultron's army being cannon fodder for the Avengers.
Am I the only one that's slightly annoyed by how effortlessly BW and Hawkeye are taking out the drones?
I mean they are still normal humans, taking on super advanced death robots :/
Then again, we haven't seen the full fight.
I just hope they swarm all of the Avengers (like the concept art)
 
Ultron's army being cannon fodder for the Avengers.
Am I the only one that's slightly annoyed by how effortlessly BW and Hawkeye are taking out the drones?
I mean they are still normal humans, taking on super advanced death robots :/
Then again, we haven't seen the full fight.
I just hope they swarm all of the Avengers (like the concept art)

Hawkeye should be off in a belltower somewhere sniping robots from a distance. He has specialized arrows that do all sorts of cool things which makes him quite a bit more powerful than BW. Black Widow is more about hand to hand combat, which puts her at grave risk. Remember, in Avengers Hawkeye reeked havoc on a hellicarrier and knocked down several Chitauri craft.
 
BW and HE both are relying on their equipment to take them down, I believe. I doubt it's just karate kicks that are getting the job done.
 

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