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Sci-Fi Zack Snyder’s Rebel Moon | Netflix

Yeah, for this whole gambit to work, the initial cuts (and the movie as a whole) needed to actually be good.
Which wasnt even really 50/50 looking at AOTD etc.
Like, the chances this backfiring were always higher, so i dont get why Netflix thought this would be a good idea.
You pretty much lost the curious people with this now.

Those who were curious and didnt like this, will not come back for the R-rated cut or the second part.
 
2 parts, 2 directors cuts ... Did Snyder manage to make six hours of movie out of a 166 million dollar budget?
 
I just can’t bring myself to actually watch this.
I feel a little weird about disliking something so much without actually seeing it but GODDAMN this movie looks and sounds stupid.

I understand that Snyder was trying to do Seven Samurai but on a much bigger scale, but it feels like he only increased one side.
Seven Samurai is a small farming community seeking help to fight off a group of 30 something bandits.
Rebel moon is a small farming community seeking help to fight off…an entire imperial army?

Is that accurate?
Please tell me I’m missing something.
 
I tried to watch this, and I got a little over an hour or so in before I bailed. I don’t know what it is about Snyder’s movies but they just seem like a thirteen year old’s version of what “epic” or “intellectual” would look like.
I kept getting thrown off by how underdeveloped the characters were and by how simplistic things were. I felt like it tried to be a dark fairy tale in a sense, but it was no Pan’s Labyrinth to be sure. It didn’t work as a space opera. It didn’t work as a drama. It didn’t work as an action film.

But, I cannot help but think that 12 year old me would have liked it. However it just didn’t resonate with 47 year old me.

From a 2008 EW interview with Snyder:

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: First 300, now Watchmen — have you always been a comics fan?
ZACK SNYDER:
I came to comic books through my mother. I loved fantasy art — I love Frank Frazetta [the famed illustrator known for adult-oriented, sword-and-sorcery, and sci-fi imagery]. I went to boarding school. You weren’t allowed too many posters up, and everything I set up was slightly inappropriate. Frazetta’s naked girls, ripped up guys — the kids were like, ”What the hell?!” They had their Boy George posters up, I had crazy Frazetta. My mother saw I was into this comic called Heavy Metal magazine, so she got me a subscription. You could call it ”high-brow” comics, but to me, that comic book was just pretty sexy! I had a buddy who tried getting me into ”normal” comic books, but I was all like, ”No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, ”This is more my scene.”

Now, Snyder has repeatedly said that Heavy Metal is a big influence on Rebel Moon. Netflix even put out a poster for Rebel Moon that is a direct homage to the poster of the 1981 Heavy Metal animated movie.

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Once you realize that Snyder is and has always been trying to recapture on screen what he felt when reading stuff like Heavy Metal as a teen, it becomes very obvious why it feels like his movies would appeal to the 12-year-old version of you.
 
Seven Samurai is a small farming community seeking help to fight off a group of 30 something bandits.
Rebel moon is a small farming community seeking help to fight off…an entire imperial army?

Is that accurate?
Please tell me I’m missing something.
Yeah -- at no point are they either fighting the entire imperial army or under threat to do so.

The galaxy is in a state of broader war, which means the imperial army is busy. What they might fight is the crew of a single cruiser, who cannot shoot them from space because they need the grain produced on the moon.

There are modern examples of this. In the past year Gabon and Niger were able to achieve further independence from the West, in part because the latter are busy with Ukraine/Russia. And the West was not able to bomb those countries from the air because it still needed their resources. Equivalent situations have occured time and time again in history. Another famous example is Algeria and Vietnam declaring (and needing to fight for) independence from France, at around the same time, and after the latter was weakened by WW2.
 
From a 2008 EW interview with Snyder:



Now, Snyder has repeatedly said that Heavy Metal is a big influence on Rebel Moon. Netflix even put out a poster for Rebel Moon that is a direct homage to the poster of the 1981 Heavy Metal animated movie.

GBQoE7jakAAw7Dq-1383x2048.jpg


Once you realize that Snyder is and has always been trying to recapture on screen what he felt when reading stuff like Heavy Metal as a teen, it becomes very obvious why it feels like his movies would appeal to the 12-year-old version of you.
From that quote, he says: “I had a buddy who tried getting me into ”normal” comic books, but I was all like, ”No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, ”This is more my scene.””

Basically sums up why (1) He obviously doesn’t understand Watchmen; and (2) WB pooped the bed in hiring him to helm the DCEU.
 
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From a 2008 EW interview with Snyder:



Now, Snyder has repeatedly said that Heavy Metal is a big influence on Rebel Moon. Netflix even put out a poster for Rebel Moon that is a direct homage to the poster of the 1981 Heavy Metal animated movie.

GBQoE7jakAAw7Dq-1383x2048.jpg


Once you realize that Snyder is and has always been trying to recapture on screen what he felt when reading stuff like Heavy Metal as a teen, it becomes very obvious why it feels like his movies would appeal to the 12-year-old version of you.
Yeah those things were in that movie…but never in the same picture. She never rides that gryphon nor did she wield that sword (Idk if that sword is really in the movie tbh)

Another thing. They’re always in epic environments with big cities in the background (obviously the StageCraft)…but those planets only have like 10 inhabitants (2 with dialogue and the rest are redshirts)
 
Yeah -- at no point are they either fighting the entire imperial army or under threat to do so.

The galaxy is in a state of broader war, which means the imperial army is busy. What they might fight is the crew of a single cruiser, who cannot shoot them from space because they need the grain produced on the moon.

There are modern examples of this. In the past year Gabon and Niger were able to achieve further independence from the West, in part because the latter are busy with Ukraine/Russia. And the West was not able to bomb those countries from the air because it still needed their resources. Equivalent situations have occured time and time again in history. Another famous example is Algeria and Vietnam declaring (and needing to fight for) independence from France, at around the same time, and after the latter was weakened by WW2.
Alright that sounds a bit better.
I was very genuinely hoping to be wrong :tearsofjoy:
 
I didn't realize that Ed Skrein played an actual nazi in the 2023 Netflix miniseries All The Light We Cannot See.

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For all of the talk of Rebel Moon being derivative, this may be what most offends me, but I'm not sure it's actually that bad.

On the other hand it's a 2023 series and a 2023 film ... How could Snyder have copied so quickly?
 
The only hero introduction that worked for me was Ray Fisher's character since his actions were ongoing off screen and the objective of the leads was the find him...then they killed him off. Speaks to the many problems of this movie.
 
Just watched this. I like Snyder and I like sci-fi and........ I liked this movie. For me Snyder still gets a bad rap. The only main criticism I had was the amount of slo mo which was just too much. But I liked the story and the characters. Good action and some nice sci-fi ideas that got me intrigued. Yes it's derivative of a lot of things, even throwing some Warhammer and Avatar in there. But I liked the blend personally. Boutella and Skrien were the standouts of a good cast. And I'll be there for the DC and Part 2 in April.

7/10
 
While it was a relatively generic scifi, I was entertained.
I liked the hardware (guns etc), the capital ship design and the retro feel of some props and sets.
As mentionned by AVEITWITHJAMON there was a bit of WH40K in there.
 
So I'm about 2/3 of the way through the novelization and it really highlights some of the problematic editing of the PG-13 cut.

First, there's the scene where they go and get Tarak. The whole bet about taming the griffin just seemed to come out nowhere, there was very little in the way of explanation and the segment ends abruptly with the griffin killing the slave owner. Compare this to the novel (and probably the director's cut):

Hickman mumbled to himself and wiggled his misshapen, calloused fingers as if he was trying to come up with a sum.“Uh… 300,000 Darams ought to cover any inconvenience I’ve suffered.”

“Oh, ya bollocks,” cursed Kai.

Kora scoffed. “We don’t have that kind of money.”

“No money?” Hickman said, confused by the concept.

A loud shriek emerged from the open back entrance to the foundry. Hickman gave her a wide grin. The gold in his mouth shimmered in the light of the blazing furnace to his right. “Well, I do love to gamble.”

“Ah, here we go,” said Kai tiredly.

Kora turned to Tarak, who stopped his work to listen with a silent intensity. He gave her a short nod.

“What’s the bet?” she said to Hickman.

His eyes moved toward the direction of the continued shrieks. Gunnar followed his gaze. When he saw the creature, his lips parted and his eyes went wide. “Holy hell. What the…”Just outside was a corral made of iron and wood. Three men tended to a magnificent creature of great stature, an oversized hybrid of bird and animal. He had an immediate tightening of fear in his belly, along with utter fascination. Part of him wanted to see it up close, and another part wanted to turn and run if they had to do anything with it. How could any human be a match for it or tame it? Its thick, muscular hind legs kicked up dirt while its clawed front legs attempted to scratch three ranch hands trying to take hold of it. Loud guttural cries escaped its black beak that could rip off the scalp of a man in one swipe. Its shiny feathers were the color of soot beneath an oily sheen. He could hear Hickman chuckle. Gunnar glanced around, hoping his face or body language didn’t betray his conflicting emotions. He pulled back and crossed his arms.

“See that creature out there? It’s called a Bennu.” Hickman said.

Kai chimed in, “How the hell did you even get one of those? This isn’t their home.”

“I won the creature in a game of chance on Samandrai. After a few shots of spirits, it seemed like a good idea because their loyalty is unmatched. They will kill for you. But the damn thing won’t let anyone near it. Even killed a man who tried to feed it. I said I would give it six more months then it would be slaughtered for meat and the feathers sold by the bushel.”


Kai nodded. “Who am I to judge?”

“If Tarak can break that creature out there, his debts are squared with me,” said Hickman, a little dejected as he stared at the creature.

“You get nothing for nothing in life. What are we putting up?” Kora asked.

“If he don’t ride him, you all get a chain and shackle. That’s the deal,” said Hickman.

Tarak no longer looked at Hickman or Kora. His gaze was fixed on the Bennu with confidence.

“Can you ride him?” asked Kora.

Without turning back, Tarak answered, “Yeah, I can ride him.” He swung his hammer in a wide arc, hitting the chain attached to the shackle on his ankle. It split in two with the softness of an overripe fruit. He looked at Hickman while kicking it off then walked out the back door toward the corral. He rolled his bare shoulders while flexing his back muscles. Without the shackles, he appeared taller and wider.

“Hehe. I have to see this,” chortled Hickman as he followed behind Tarak. Kora and Gunnar joined him at the edge of the corral. Hickman nudged Kora then spit in the dirt. “Not sure about this. With his history, he runs given the chance. Let his own people die at the hands of the Realm. Some men you just can’t trust.”

Tarak entered the corral with the ranch hands still struggling to control the Bennu without losing their lives. It pecked its pointed beak toward them with fury in its eyes. “Drop your leads.”

One of the hands shook his head toward Tarak while gritting his teeth. “She’ll tear you apart.”

“Drop your leads and clear out. Now.”

The creature stood on its hind legs and let out a half-squawk and roar. The three ranch hands nearly toppled over one another. “Suit yourself!” shouted one of them as he let go of the leads and ran to the entrance to the corral. The other two looked back and didn’t waste time sticking around. They dashed away at the same speed. The Bennu fell back to all fours as it studied Tarak. He held out a steady hand and made eye contact with the Bennu. Its yellow eyes shimmered beneath the blazing sun. He kneeled in front of the creature and bowed his head. When it approached close enough for their heads to just touch, he spoke to the creature in his native tongue.

“Shhhh. I’m not going to hurt you. You’re far from home and so am I.”

The Bennu listened without attacking. “You and I, we’re alike. We’ve been hurt, betrayed, our trust has been broken.” When he stood before her, he stroked her thick feathers that turned to a softer down toward the end of her torso. The Bennu rolled her head at his touch. She stood easily quite a few feet taller than him, with broad shoulders that appeared even larger up close. Tarak rested his head against her chest and synced his breathing to hers. He closed his eyes. “We both know fear. Yet, the biggest fear we both face is the fear of ourselves. Let’s show them we’re not afraid. Let’s show them we’re more than the shackles that bind us.”

“Well, I’ll be…” whispered Hickman to Kora.

Kai slapped him on the arm with the back of his hand. “Looks like you might lose this game of chance.”

Hickman shrugged. “Either way I win. Once it has been mounted a single time, I can do it again. And it will know it can be conquered. I’ll be its master.”

Without prompting, the Bennu bent its front legs and bowed its head. Tarak leaned against its ear. “Thank you. Let us show them who we really are without fear.”

Confidently but with care, Tarak grabbed the rope the ranchers had left behind and lassoed the beak before moving onto the Bennu’s back. He climbed on, patted its neck, and it leapt into the sky. The Bennu shrieked as it circled and dived around the corral. Tarak leaned into its neck. It flew straight for a tunnel of lethal sand spires. Tarak and the Bennu whizzed through. Its giant body soared through the air with ease, but it resisted Tarak’s guidance. The Bennu bucked and bashed against stone cliffs. Tarak continued to hold on until it tossed him off onto a rocky outcropping. Tarak rolled, then jumped to his feet to run at speed to catch the creature. With perfect timing, he jumped from the outcropping back onto the Bennu’s back. This time, instead of fighting, they were flying. The Bennu continued back toward the corral then dived deeply toward the onlookers. They all crouched to the ground except Kora. She looked up and smiled as the rush of wind from its flight blew her hair into her face. She raised one hand to feel its feathers.

Tarak sat upright again and the Bennu circled slowly until it landed back in the corral. He gave her one last pat before climbing off. Hickman stood and clapped. He entered the corral. “Well done!”

Tarak stood before him. “Hickman, I’ve done as you asked.”

Hickman couldn’t contain his eagerness to touch the Bennu. His eyes were fixed on her. “Your debt is square with me.”

Tarak bowed his head. “Be good to her.”

Hickman stepped away before Tarak could finish this sentence. He motioned with an impatient wave for the ranch hands to enter the corral with him. Tarak stopped before walking through the ironworks toward the freighter. Kora looked back at him watching Hickman have the ranch hands assist him mounting the Bennu. He kicked his legs into her ribs and tugged on her feathers. “You’re mine now. Go.” It launched into the sky with rocket speed and bucked with its full wingspan on display. The sharp motion threw an unsuspecting Hickman to the ground. “Whoa! Whoa!” he screamed as he coughed blood, lying on his back. The Bennu dived from the air and landed on his chest. Her talons embedded in the meat of Hickman and probed deeper as she pecked at his skull and face until it was a bloody pulp. Meat stretched and tore as her powerful beak consumed him. The ranch hands ran past the feasting Bennu, back into the ironworks. Tarak continued to watch the Bennu with its kill. It turned to him, giving him a knowing look, then bolted back into the sky and out of sight with Hickman’s body in its talons.

“That a girl,” Tarak said.

“How did you do that?”

He smirked. “They are indigenous to my world. I grew up with them my whole life and my first love traded in their feathers once they died.”

I've bolded the bits that weren't in the movie. Basically, we have an explanation as to why the slave owner wants the creature tamed and why Tarak was able to do it. Additionally, the scene actually has a proper ending (the griffin flies away) that they probably couldn't include because it would have included the griffin brutally murdering the slave owner and taking his body.

Stuff like this is not going to matter to anyone who hates the movie but if you sort-of liked it then these additions make a baffling segment much more coherent.

Another example would be when they go to get Doona Bae's character. In the movie they land the ship and the very next moment the characters are just in an elevator with her. In the novelization it goes like this:

They left Neu Wodi, the sparse, scorching landscape of sand and rock pockmarked from ancient asteroid impacts, for Daggus, a crowded city planet with every species practically living on top of each other like the plastered posters and graffiti on any available space along the miles and miles of alleys connecting the buildings. The cobalt mines put this world on the universal map and brought every species across the universe here to hack through the mantle of the planet. No space was left to be considered sacred for the original inhabitants. Forests were cut back to make way for quarries. Rivers and lakes dammed for the fresh water to be used by processing companies. When all the aquatic life was gone from overfishing and pollution, large cesspools of waste replaced them. Huge blocks of housing and infrastructure for the workforce and shipment companies leveled the surface. Indigenous life died out, leaving very little of what Daggus looked like before the mining took over. Black smoke billowed as high as the skyscrapers. Some of the buildings were new, with bright lights and constructed from the newest tech. Others were left unfinished by developers that ran out of money midway. They stood like the cement-and-metal corpses of a bloated industry. Then there were the buildings that were sad remnants of first habitation, that were now for the poorest of the poor and squatters. All they provided was protection from the elements. Still, many remained and died there with little else to hope for.

Ships of all sizes and makes whizzed past each other in flight, cutting through thick smog that never fully cleared for long. Kai took the small band to a cheap noodle shop. Gunnar stood in front, not knowing where to look with the multitude of sounds, languages, and lights stimulating his senses from all directions. The largest town he had been to in his life was Providence.

“Who are we asking to join us today?” Kora asked Kai.

Kai motioned for Kora to take a seat at the bar. “A killer. A ruthless killer. Given your skills with a weapon, you two should get along.”

Inside, a creature with an elongated face and even longer jowls stood chopping slimy purple tentacles before placing them in bowls. The backsplash in the kitchen was thick with hardened yellow grease and blue flames leapt high on the outside of a pan. The restaurant was simple in design with only one chef, who seemed immune to the heat and popping oil. Patrons waited patiently for their food on a long L-shaped counter. There were few items on the menu, so the small crew readily ate what was served before them. Gunnar took a few bites from the greasy bowl with some sort of small shellfish stuck to the bottom and sides. He pushed it away and took a gulp of his beer. Tarak had finished shoveling his portion and stared at Gunnar’s.

“You gonna finish that?” His voice took Gunnar away from his beer.

“No, no, go ahead,” said Gunnar.

Tarak licked his lips. “You sure? I’d never steal a man’s woman or meal.”

Gunnar slid the bowl in front of Tarak. “Enjoy. I’m more of a slab of meat guy.”

Kora paced in front of the row of seats at the bar. She didn’t hide her impatience. “How long are we going to wait?”

Kai looked up from his bowl and wiped his lips smeared with chili sauce and grease. “I mean, we aren’t robots. We got to eat. Relax, I put out the word. Give her a chance, she’ll come.”

Kora turned to him. “We’re wasting our time just sitting here. Every moment that passes is a moment we’re not mounting a defense.”

Steam from the kitchen cleared. A woman in loose black clothing held a teacup in hands that appeared gloved in metal. Her face was hidden beneath a wide-brimmed hat. “You’re looking for me?” she asked, devoid of intonation or emotion as she looked up.

Kai glanced back at Kora then to the woman. “That depends, are you the one they call Nemesis?”

She scanned the bar and lifted her head to lock eyes with Kora. “I am. Why do you seek me?”

Kai grinned and crossed his arms, glancing back at Kora again. “See. Told you I’d find her. Might be about time you lot start trusting me.”

Kora stepped toward her, “We need people like yourself.” Before she could continue, shouts and screams outside the noodle shop caused Nemesis to turn in her seat. People called her name throughout the streets. But it didn’t sound like a party. A woman wailed amongst the shouts. A man nearly passed her before stopping and doubling back. He appeared to have come from the mines. The skin beneath his eyes hung low and dark. His clothing tattered and dirty from a day’s work.

“Nemesis! Nemesis! Please, a child was taken…”

“Is it…?”

He nodded his head while looking at the band of strangers who didn’t appear like Daggus working folk. “It’s Harmada.She’s—she’s acting insane. She killed a security guard; we have her cornered in the bowels but she’s threatening the child and we just…”

Nemesis turned to the warriors who sought her. “We move. Then we can see if we can work together.”

Nemesis rose from her seat. She had two swords holstered on either hip that were as eye-catching as her two hands. Kai, Kora, Tarak, and Gunnar followed Nemesis and the man through the alley outside the restaurant, until they reached an open metal elevator overlooking the cramped city. The melting sun on the horizon set the smog alight. The man smacked the button with a glowing arrow. It brought the elevator alive with a jolt moving toward the bowels. The deeper they went, the hotter and damper it became. The dim light showed very little except more graffiti and condensation.

Again, its not high art but there's an actual flow to things.

Besides additions like this, the book has a B story featuring Sam (blonde girl), Aris (young soldier) and Jimmy that takes up quite a number of pages. Not sure if all of this will be in the director's cut but I enjoyed it, adds humanity to the whole thing.

I don't think the director's cut is going to blow people completely away but based on the novelization, which according to the author is based on the full script, it will be a much more coherent movie. It's BvS all over again, probably even to a greater extent.
 
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So I'm about 2/3 of the way through the novelization and it really highlights some of the problematic editing of the PG-13 cut.

First, there's the scene where they go and get Tarak. The whole bet about taming the griffin just seemed to come out nowhere, there was very little in the way of explanation and the segment ends abruptly with the griffin killing the slave owner. Compare this to the novel (and probably the director's cut):



I've bolded the bits that weren't in the movie. Basically, we have an explanation as to why the slave owner wants the creature tamed and why Tarak was able to do it. Additionally, the scene actually has a proper ending (the griffin flies away) that they probably couldn't include because it would have included the griffin brutally murdering the slave owner and taking his body.

Stuff like this is not going to matter to anyone who hates the movie but if you sort-of liked it then these additions make a baffling segment much more coherent.

Another example would be when they go to get Doona Bae's character. In the movie they land the ship and the very next moment the characters are just in an elevator with her. In the novelization it goes like this:



Again, its not high art but there's an actual flow to things.

Besides additions like this, the book has a B story featuring Sam (blonde girl), Aris (young soldier) and Jimmy that takes up quite a number of pages. Not sure if all of this will be in the director's cut but I enjoyed it, adds humanity to the whole thing.

I don't think the director's cut is going to blow people completely away but based on the novelization, which according to the author is based on the full script, it will be a much more coherent movie. It's BvS all over again, probably even to a greater extent.

this is a lot better, imo.

this is the kind of fleshing out of the characters and world i wanted and that was lacking in the current released version on netflix.
 
this is a lot better, imo.

this is the kind of fleshing out of the characters and world i wanted and that was lacking in the current released version on netflix.

For me it's not even about that. It's about cutting scenes to shreds in order to achieve that 2-hour runtime.

In the movie when they go to the gladiator ring they walk in and immediately a woman shows them a drunk Titus lying on the floor. I've again highlighted the sections that have been cut from the film:

The freighter needed refueling when they landed on Pollux, home for gladiators from across the known universe. The planet Castor shined brightly on the rocky, dusty terrain despite it being dusk. Looming above them was the ancient stone Colosseum, where they hoped to find an amicable General Titus. The original town sprouted from the entrance of the Colosseum and grew like roots to the bottom of the rugged outcrop. The entire economy was built on its legacy and reputation. Generations of families called this home.

The band of warriors left the freighter for the Colosseum with Kai leading the way. Gunnar’s lips parted in awe the closer they were to the entrance. Kai hit his arm with the back of his hand as they walked along the ancient hand-carved stone ramp, bleached by the harsh light. “The twin moons of Castor and Pollux are known throughout the galaxy for producing great spectacles of combat. Only the greatest warriors appear in this coliseum.”

Gunnar’s head arched back once inside. The phenomenal view of blue to violet bleeding to sherbet orange as they walked below stone flying buttresses was a breathtaking sight. They all slowed their pace. As they rounded a bend, they stopped to watch a monstrously sized gladiator with spiked skin and teeth fight his way to glory. He roared in victory with his large hands beating the air. The crowd cheered with him. Gladiators in leather collars of all genders, sizes, species and from all cornersof the universe milled around the corridors. Blood painted the ground where bodies were dragged from the fights. Tarak smiled in amusement and pointed to one of the gladiators wrestling. “That man there. That must be Titus… General!”

A gladiator with a face that wore many wins and losses turned to Tarak. “It’s not. General Titus does not fight anymore.”

Tarak frowned. “But he is here! Did he lose? Injured?”

The gladiator looked him in the eyes and crossed his oversized arms, large from years of training. “Not in the coliseum. He has only one war. It’s within himself. You’ll find him by the Southern Gate.”

He turned to a hairless servant girl with white blush, wearing rough cotton trousers and tunic. Her bright face and luminescent skin didn’t need hair. She stood against the wall with the obedience of a statue.

“You, servant girl! Take them to the general.”

She gave them all a placid smile. “Please follow me.” They continued to follow her along the outer passage overlooking the town below until they reached an arched doorway.
She released a heavy sigh and pointed. “The great General Titus.”

A man still physically in fighting shape, but past his prime, lay flat on his back, barefoot, wearing nothing but a tattered, urine-soaked loincloth. His body was crosshatched with thick scars and a few burns. They told his stories in the arena. His graying beard appeared matted and unattended to. Covered in dirt, he mumbled to himself in a drunken stupor, oblivious to their presence. A large, mangey rat crawled across his belly. Tarak scrunched his face then raised his eyebrows. “Well, I hope he fights better than he smells.”

Gunnar turned with a concerned look toward Kora. “Are you sure this is a good idea?”

Kora nodded. “Let’s clean him up and get him sober.”

Gunnar glanced at Tarak, who shrugged. “Yeah, that’ll do it. I’ll take this end.” Tarak grabbed his hands and Gunnar his feet.

Sasha pointed toward a wash station. “Over there.”

The two men carried him quickly into the round room and propped him up on a bench. Sasha moved toward the spout to release gushing ice-cold water. Titus’s head lolled as he mumbled various curses and threw limp punches, splashing water in all directions. Sasha ignored him without appearing worried, probably having done this many times before to many gladiators. She grabbed a thick-bristled brush and began to scrub his body. Titus shook his head and wiped his eyes that burned through the warriors with fury, especially Kora. “Get off me! Get off! What do you think you’re doing?” he shouted.

Kora stepped closer and into a puddle at his feet. “What does it look like?”

Titus remained defiant. “Go to hell. I was fine.”

“No, you are not fine. Did you command the Eastern ranks for the old king? Are you not General Titus, defender of the innocent and oppressed? A legend.”

Titus averted his eyes as Sasha finished her work. “I don’t know what you’re running your mouth about. Why can’t you just leave me alone?”

Kora matched his defiance. “Because my best hope is that long-ago general is still in front of me.”

The shouts of the gladiators and clinking of metal sounded distant, almost a whisper in the room. Water dripped in rhythmic drops. Titus shook his head and his hand curled to a fist. “What the hell do you want from me?! My men are dead. I’ve grown tired of reliving that every day. In the coliseum my rage made me a god, but it’s all used up. This bottle is my only true comfort from that hell. Now leave me and let me die in peace!”

Kora stepped closer. “I don’t think you’re meant to die here, General.”

Titus didn’t respond. He studied each of the warriors in turn. A torrent of raw emotions punched him into a moment of sobriety. “Stop calling me that. I have no rank, no privilege.”

Kora kept her stern demeanor. “I’m here to make you an offer. To give you a chance at redemption.”

His anger softened. “I am beyond redemption.”

“I have no time for pity! What about all the dead men you once commanded? What about them? If not redemption, what about revenge?

Titus glanced at the warriors again, and their weapons. Their faces remained hard, but a tiny lightbulb seemed to turn on in the general’s head. “Revenge? That might be something I can take a chance on.”

Kora smiled and stepped out of his way. “Good. Take us to your room so you can get ready to depart straight away. Need a hand?”

He stood up straight and lifted his chin. His first steps were shaky, but he continued with confidence. Titus walked slowly into the main passageway of the Colosseum. Passing gladiators stopped in shock to watch him go by with the warriors trailing behind him. He kept his eyes on the path ahead, ignoring everyone else.

His room was small with only the basics to live and sleep. There was very little in the way of wealth despite his many victories. Hanging on a wooden frame was his tarnished armor, battle-worn and uncared for. A manica in need of cleaning hung from the center, and looked untouched for who knew how long. His boots were dirty and in need of polishing. On a small table was an Imperium-issued engraved flask and his weapon.

He stopped in front of the armor, running his fingers across the embossed insignia that he had taken a blade to some time back. When he took it off in that moment, his entire being filled with shame with the memory of Sarawu.

His soldiers were dead, but he remained alive. He took a large swig of strong alcohol and stabbed through the remnants of his past, part of him that he hated and wanted to forget. His blade didn’t stop until his rage subsided with each drink. That moment of despair never left. Maybe this was his fresh start, or the path to death. He touched his beard. “Give me a few minutes. It has been some time since I have worn this.”

Kora touched his shoulder. “Do what you have to do.”

* * *

Titus emerged from his room fully dressed and his beard trimmed to a small tuft of hair on his chin. He seemed ready to take on a new opponent. Putting on the armor had acted as medicine for the man. His eyes appeared less bloodshot and jaundiced, and he seemed to be swaying less. They walked through the village back to the freighter. “I don’t think I will miss this place much,” Titus said, glancing around with a small satchel in his hand.

Again, there's some actual lead-up (albeit minimal) to them finding him and we get some hints of an actual character. We don't just quickly jump from one location to the next to the next.
 
I thought the movie as is gave us enough for each character to know why they would take up the fight and know why they were where they were. For example Nemesis saying she knows the pain of a mothers loss. But if the DC fleshes them out even more all the better.

And yeah, this feels like the closest we have ever got to a WH40K movie so far imo.
 
I thought the movie as is gave us enough for each character to know why they would take up the fight and know why they were where they were. For example Nemesis saying she knows the pain of a mothers loss. But if the DC fleshes them out even more all the better.

And yeah, this feels like the closest we have ever got to a WH40K movie so far imo.

Interestingly enough, it looks like part 2 will actually delve deeper into the characters' backstories. In the trailers (original teaser for both parts and part 2 teaser) we see flashbacks featuring Nemesis, Tarak, Titus and Milius/Bloodaxe.
 
Interestingly enough, it looks like part 2 will actually delve deeper into the characters' backstories. In the trailers (original teaser for both parts and part 2 teaser) we see flashbacks featuring Nemesis, Tarak, Titus and Milius/Bloodaxe.

Sounds great. I really liked he movie as is so definitely looking forward to the DC and Part 2.
 
All the characters are just so... bland. I don't know if I've ever seen such a boring ensemble. Imagine what someone like James Gunn could do with this cast and runtime, it's just unfathomable how lame and forgettable each person is. Maybe all the good stuff is on the cutting room floor, or maybe it isn't, but as the movie is, what a weird collection of walking cardboard cutouts we're dealing with. I did like Bae Doona's fun hat and makeup.

Yep. That’s always been one of Snyder’s problems and why I roll my eyes when I see posts about how great he did with characters in his version of Justice League. Just because a character is in the movie more doesn’t mean they have more personality. I’m not a fan of Jason Momoa’s “Aquabro” in his solo films but I would take that over Snyder’s dull, stoic, brooding version in JL. And while people go on and on and on about how Ray Fisher’s Cyborg was the “heart and soul” of that film, I didn’t find his performance to be much more engaging than it was in the theatrical version, largely because again, all Snyder had him do was brood and mope. Similarly, Fisher comes off even worse in this movie; he’s only in it for like 10 minutes and does nothing but brood, shout some commands in overly dramatic fashion, and get himself killed in a way that I swear was visually copied from some other action movie I saw recently.

Snyder has managed to pull good performances out of actors at certain points in his career but for the most part he just seems to view them as action figures who just need to stand around looking cool and badass. Like you said, a director like Gunn would have handled them better because Gunn understands that characters need to be vulnerable and it’s okay to make them look like dorks sometimes. He knows how to endear them to audiences.
 
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