Sci-Fi Zack Snyder’s Rebel Moon | Netflix

[kguillou]

Netflix just wanted to cash in on the #snydercut phenomenon, thats all. They knew what they were doing. They knew what they bought into and they're going to play into that heavily when they release his director's cuts this summer. And then after that i anticipate they're going to cut ties with him.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Netflix just wanted to cash in on the #snydercut phenomenon, thats all. They knew what they were doing. They knew what they bought into and they're going to play into that heavily when they release his director's cuts this summer. And then after that i anticipate they're going to cut ties with him.

We'll really have to see if Rebel Moon Part Two has a big drop-off compared to the first in the next few weeks.

 

[Drizzle]

Rise of Skywalker <<<< the SW prequels, the last Jedi, John Carter, Valerian, Jupiter Ascending, Rebel Moon, Chronicles of Riddick, etc.

It's the nadir of Hollywood space operas, perhaps tied with Battlefield Earth. The plot is nonsensical from top to bottom, nothing fits, nothing works.

On par with Batman v Superman and Terminator Genysis.

I think Rise of Skywalker is the worst Star Wars movie but let's not kid ourselves by saying it's worse than Rebel Moon. Even though it comes off as "What if a Star Wars script was written by A.I." I'd still take it over Rebel Moon any day.

 

[Filmfreak]

We'll really have to see if Rebel Moon Part Two has a big drop-off compared to the first in the next few weeks.

The first part didn't even do that well anyway. The fact that there was almost zero promotion for the second one says a lot.

 

[Mani-Man]

Netflix just wanted to cash in on the #snydercut phenomenon, thats all. They knew what they were doing. They knew what they bought into and they're going to play into that heavily when they release his director's cuts this summer. And then after that i anticipate they're going to cut ties with him.

On that we would need the numbers i would say.
But for what Snyder has planned and all, and considering how fast Netflix is pulling the plug on stuff...i cant imagine that this Relationship can go much longer.

At best these movies were in the top 3 for a week i think, after that...nothing.
Nobody talks about it, promotes it etc.
And the Reviews arent that good either for both.

So unless the Numbers are incredible good, which i doubt...i cant see Netflix hanging onto Snyder for that much longer.
Rebel Moon didnt blow up as much as Netflix assumed.
It wouldnt surprise me if they cancel all the stuff that is in the works.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

On that we would need the numbers i would say.
But for what Snyder has planned and all, and considering how fast Netflix is pulling the plug on stuff...i cant imagine that this Relationship can go much longer.

At best these movies were in the top 3 for a week i think, after that...nothing.
Nobody talks about it, promotes it etc.
And the Reviews arent that good either for both.

So unless the Numbers are incredible good, which i doubt...i cant see Netflix hanging onto Snyder for that much longer.
Rebel Moon didnt blow up as much as Netflix assumed.
It wouldnt surprise me if they cancel all the stuff that is in the works.

Rebel Moon Part One

Week 1 (Dec 18-24) - 23.9M views / 54.1M hours - #1 in English films
Week 2 (Dec 25-31) - 34M Views / 77M hours - #1 in English films
Week 3 (Jan 1-7) - 11.1M views / 25.1M hours - #2 in English films
Week 4 (Jan 8-14) - 3.9M Views / 8.9M hours - #8 in English films
Back to #5 on April (15-21) with 5.5M views and 12.5M hours (more than Week 4) - #5 in English films

Rebel Moon Part Two

Week 1 (April 15-21) - 21.4M views/42.2M hours - #1 in English films




So, we don't know how many views Part One got during the first 91 days because it dropped out of the top 10 after week 4 but during its first four weeks (24 days) it accumulated 72.9M views (165.1M hours viewed). We'll have to see how Part Two will do in the following weeks to get a clear picture if the pre-existing audience stuck around for Part Two. 23.9M vs 21.4M views in week 1 is actually a really good drop but Part Two might crater after that. We'll get last week's numbers tomorrow, I think.

My takeaway is that if Netflix originally expected both parts to reach the top 10 then the movies obviously fell short. But if you consider how many views Netflix will get from both movies combined with the director's cuts still on the way then it's not too shabby. Especially when you consider that Rebel Moon cost only 166-200M to produce. If Rebel Moon Part Two accumulates around 70M views like the first (and we only have data for the first 24 days) then that puts Rebel Moon on equal footing with The Gray Man (which also cost 200M to produce).

Netflix paid 450M just to get the rights to The Glass Onion and the third upcoming film and then spent another 40M to produce The Glass Onion. So 490M total spent on the Knives Out franchise so far. Rebel Moon is probably a much better investment for Netflix, comparatively.

If Part Two performs on par with the first then I can actually see Netflix continuing with the series.

 

[-Arya-]

A Snyder Facebook group showed up on my feed randomly and one person said “Both Rebel Moons are going to be on everyones masterpiece once the Directors Cut's come out this Summer.”

Sure buddy

 

[Comicbookguy339]

A Snyder Facebook group showed up on my feed randomly and one person said “Both Rebel Moons are going to be on everyones masterpiece once the Directors Cut's come out this Summer.”

Sure buddy

I have no doubt that the edgy director's cuts will have even more hilarious stuff in them.

 

[Sithborg]

I think Rise of Skywalker is the worst Star Wars movie but let's not kid ourselves by saying it's worse than Rebel Moon. Even though it comes off as "What if a Star Wars script was written by A.I." I'd still take it over Rebel Moon any day.

Never read the old EU, have you. Because let me tell you, TROS wasn't AI, that was Keven J Anderson as hell.

 

[DA_Champion]

Never read the old EU, have you. Because let me tell you, TROS wasn't AI, that was Keven J Anderson as hell.

You have written that multiple times.

In reality there's as much Anderson in The Last Jedi and The Force Awakens as there is in Rise of Skywalker, and ultimately the latter isn't an Anderson film, it's an Abrams film. "Lightspeed jumping" for example, is something so stupid only Abrams could come up with it.

Maybe you're saying that to goof off and I don't get it because I'm on the spectrum. If so, my fault.

 

[DarkKnight88]

A Snyder Facebook group showed up on my feed randomly and one person said “Both Rebel Moons are going to be on everyones masterpiece once the Directors Cut's come out this Summer.”

Sure buddy

At the very least, maybe they’ll actually feel like Heavy Metal like he’s been promising. Cause there’s nothing Heavy Metal about either of these films except for one scene of some muscly dude riding a bird.

 

[DA_Champion]

Rebel Moon Part One

Week 1 (Dec 18-24) - 23.9M views / 54.1M hours - #1 in English films
Week 2 (Dec 25-31) - 34M Views / 77M hours - #1 in English films
Week 3 (Jan 1-7) - 11.1M views / 25.1M hours - #2 in English films
Week 4 (Jan 8-14) - 3.9M Views / 8.9M hours - #8 in English films
Back to #5 on April (15-21) with 5.5M views and 12.5M hours (more than Week 4) - #5 in English films

Rebel Moon Part Two

Week 1 (April 15-21) - 21.4M views/42.2M hours - #1 in English films

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So, we don't know how many views Part One got during the first 91 days because it dropped out of the top 10 after week 4 but during its first four weeks (24 days) it accumulated 72.9M views (165.1M hours viewed). We'll have to see how Part Two will do in the following weeks to get a clear picture if the pre-existing audience stuck around for Part Two. 23.9M vs 21.4M views in week 1 is actually a really good drop but Part Two might crater after that. We'll get last week's numbers tomorrow, I think.

My takeaway is that if Netflix originally expected both parts to reach the top 10 then the movies obviously fell short. But if you consider how many views Netflix will get from both movies combined with the director's cuts still on the way then it's not too shabby. Especially when you consider that Rebel Moon cost only 166-200M to produce. If Rebel Moon Part Two accumulates around 70M views like the first (and we only have data for the first 24 days) then that puts Rebel Moon on equal footing with The Gray Man (which also cost 200M to produce).

Netflix paid 450M just to get the rights to The Glass Onion and the third upcoming film and then spent another 40M to produce The Glass Onion. So 490M total spent on the Knives Out franchise so far. Rebel Moon is probably a much better investment for Netflix, comparatively.

If Part Two performs on par with the first then I can actually see Netflix continuing with the series.

Glass Onion may not have been profitable for Netflix (I don't know) but one can argue that it's helped build their brand. It's ok for a studio to lose money on a film or a TV series of it helps build the brand. Alternatively, it may be that they did make a mistake spending 500 million on Glass Onion, and thus it's not a good example.

Does Rebel Moon help build the brand? Perhaps. I want to believe that but it seems unlikely. Rebel Moon did bad among the mainstream critics, with a comically low score of 13%. It even did bad among right-wing YouTube critics, I checked yesterday and FilmThreat were laughing about how much they hate the director, and we know RedLetterMedia hates the director.

The viewership numbers are good, and will be even better once the director's cuts come out. There are many reasons why that may be:
- Audiences are starved for space opera;
- Snyder's fan base, including myself, which apparently makes me a "cult member";
- Casual film watchers might have different tastes. Recall we got thousands of articles over a decade about how "Avatar has made no impact, we don't need a sequel, nobody cares!" and then the movie made over 2 billion.

On the bright side, Rebel Moon shows significant growth from Snyder as a director. Gone is the racism and imperialism of 300 -- it's actually inverted now. There's more world building, more character work. The action was easier to follow than e.g. the Zod fight at the end of MoS. The plot was more coherent than BvS.

But I won't be surprised if that's not enough. And Netflix cancels things all of the time. I would like to see more Rebel Moon but it's too bad.

 

[Drizzle]

Never read the old EU, have you. Because let me tell you, TROS wasn't AI, that was Keven J Anderson as hell.

I didn't really read much of his stuff other than the "Tales of the Bounty Hunters/Jabba's Palace/Cantina" that he edited but was mainly other authors. Did he contribute a lot of Clone Emperor material back in the day?

 

[DA_Champion]

I didn't really read much of his stuff other than the "Tales of the Bounty Hunters/Jabba's Palace/Cantina" that he edited but was mainly other authors. Did he contribute a lot of Clone Emperor material back in the day?

No, the Clone emperor plot is from Tom Veitch's Dark Empire comics.

 

[Filmfreak]

Glass Onion may not have been profitable for Netflix (I don't know) but one can argue that it's helped build their brand. It's ok for a studio to lose money on a film or a TV series of it helps build the brand. Alternatively, it may be that they did make a mistake spending 500 million on Glass Onion, and thus it's not a good example.

Does Rebel Moon help build the brand? Perhaps. I want to believe that but it seems unlikely. Rebel Moon did bad among the mainstream critics, with a comically low score of 13%. It even did bad among right-wing YouTube critics, I checked yesterday and FilmThreat were laughing about how much they hate the director, and we know RedLetterMedia hates the director.

The viewership numbers are good, and will be even better once the director's cuts come out. There are many reasons why that may be:
- Audiences are starved for space opera;
- Snyder's fan base, including myself, which apparently makes me a "cult member";
- Casual film watchers might have different tastes. Recall we got thousands of articles over a decade about how "Avatar has made no impact, we don't need a sequel, nobody cares!" and then the movie made over 2 billion.

On the bright side, Rebel Moon shows significant growth from Snyder as a director. Gone is the racism and imperialism of 300 -- it's actually inverted now. There's more world building, more character work. The action was easier to follow than e.g. the Zod fight at the end of MoS. The plot was more coherent than BvS.

But I won't be surprised if that's not enough. And Netflix cancels things all of the time. I would like to see more Rebel Moon but it's too bad.

 

[DA_Champion]

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NM. I find snark boring but i should accept that other people like it.

 

[Lily Adler]

Never read the old EU, have you. Because let me tell you, TROS wasn't AI, that was Keven J Anderson as hell.

Look we all wanted Luke to have a smoking hot redhead as his wife instead of being a celibate hermit with penguin aliens.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Numbers not looking good for Part Two.

Week 1: 23.9 vs 21.4M views (-11%)
Week 2: 34M vs 18.8M views (-45%)

Hardcore fans showed up during the first week(end) but now we're really seeing what WoM is like.

Interesting that Rebel Moon Part One actually rose to the #4 spot and got more views than it did during the previous week.

 

[DA_Champion]

I'm thrilled to see that there's a new smurfs movie.

I hope it's good.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I'm thrilled to see that there's a new smurfs movie.

I hope it's good.

It came out back in 2017.

 

[Spider-Fan]

There is a major difference between Avatar and Rebel Moon. Everyone I know saw Avatar. It was a cultural milestone and I never doubted Avatar 2 was going to be anything other than a monster. This movie, outside of here on the hype and social media, I haven't met a single person who has watched these movies. Most don't even know what a Rebel Moon is. These are not going to leave any impact at all.

 

[Drizzle]

Look we all wanted Luke to have a smoking hot redhead as his wife instead of being a celibate hermit with penguin aliens.

That part isn't true. That sea creature thing he milked in The Last Jedi was his island wife.

 

[DA_Champion]

There is a major difference between Avatar and Rebel Moon. Everyone I know saw Avatar. It was a cultural milestone and I never doubted Avatar 2 was going to be anything other than a monster. This movie, outside of here on the hype and social media, I haven't met a single person who has watched these movies. Most don't even know what a Rebel Moon is. These are not going to leave any impact at all.

Yes I know, maybe my analogy didn't land, to be clear I know that Avatar is clearly king. Numbers there are objective.

The point of the analogy is that Avatar was anything but king among critics and people who discuss movies online. We by and large had fifteen years of snark about how nobody cares about Avatar, it made no impact, etc. And yet it was a spectacular success as I and a minority of others predicted -- because of viewership among the mainstream public, a group not represented by film nerds (us).

And I think if you look at a lot of movies on Netflix, there's a huge gulf (not as huge) between what film nerds care about and what movie watchers care about. These are apparently their ten most watched movies:



Those are some incredibly good numbers, and most of those are either ignored or derided by film nerds. And I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people you know outside the Hype are unfamiliar with them.

Separately, the Super Mario Bros movie has spent 22 weeks (!!!) in the top ten, and it's widely derided among film nerds.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Yes I know, maybe my analogy didn't land, to be clear I know that Avatar is clearly king. Numbers there are objective.

The point of the analogy is that Avatar was anything but king among critics and people who discuss movies online. We by and large had fifteen years of snark about how nobody cares about Avatar, it made no impact, etc. And yet it was a spectacular success as I and a minority of others predicted -- because of viewership among the mainstream public, a group not represented by film nerds (us).

But to be clear, Avatar *was* critically acclaimed. The movie was nominated for Best Picture along with James Cameron as Best Director. And even while the sequel was not quite to that level critically, the film still got a Best Picture nomination.

Now movie message board nerds, yes, they like to bash everything and everybody that becomes a success lol

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes I know, maybe my analogy didn't land, to be clear I know that Avatar is clearly king. Numbers there are objective.

The point of the analogy is that Avatar was anything but king among critics and people who discuss movies online. We by and large had fifteen years of snark about how nobody cares about Avatar, it made no impact, etc. And yet it was a spectacular success as I and a minority of others predicted -- because of viewership among the mainstream public, a group not represented by film nerds (us).

And I think if you look at a lot of movies on Netflix, there's a huge gulf (not as huge) between what film nerds care about and what movie watchers care about. These are apparently their ten most watched movies:

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Those are some incredibly good numbers, and most of those are either ignored or derided by film nerds. And I wouldn't be surprised if many of the people you know outside the Hype are unfamiliar with them.

Separately, the Super Mario Bros movie has spent 22 weeks (!!!) in the top ten, and it's widely derided among film nerds.

But the fact they're ignored also shows you how little impact they have had on the cultural zeitgeist. Nobody cares about any of this stuff. Rebel Moon is going to be another movie on 10 years absolutely no one talks about