Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League - Part 6

[GothamBat]

That angelic, glowing silhouette was Snyder all along!

 

[WoodyROM]

I've heard rumor to keep an eye on Wondercon, anyone else hear that?

Also, what's up guys and gals, it's been a while

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

This is just silly as hell. God forbid a filmmaker have fun making their films.

OK but can you have fun and make sure WB has no reason whatsoever to step in all the same time maybe? How come WB always does it with HIS DCEU films? Why didn't they step in for Wonder Woman? Why didn't they step in for any of the Harry Potter films, Kong, Blade Runner?

Zack Snyder is just THAT unlucky? I just dont buy any of it. And I don't buy that EVERYTHING Snyder touched was gold and evrything Whedon did ruined that. For instance, the dumb way Flash runs was all Snyder I believe.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Don’t do this to yourself, friends.

I will be floored if WB hasn’t completely moved on from this whole thing by now.

 

[Superchan]

This is just silly as hell. God forbid a filmmaker have fun making their films.

I don't think making BvS and JL was fun for Snyder.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I think Zack had a great time making BvS, guy basically had carte blanche before WB told him to cut it down in post production, and they still let him drop that ultimate cut.

Everything that happened after the film came out though, yeah that can be argued

 

[heatvision38]

OK but can you have fun and make sure WB has no reason whatsoever to step in all the same time maybe? How come WB always does it with HIS DCEU films? Why didn't they step in for Wonder Woman? Why didn't they step in for any of the Harry Potter films, Kong, Blade Runner?

Zack Snyder is just THAT unlucky? I just dont buy any of it. And I don't buy that EVERYTHING Snyder touched was gold and evrything Whedon did ruined that. For instance, the dumb way Flash runs was all Snyder I believe.

Do you think they are making another Blade Runner film? Harry Potter had Rowling involved and she had approval as far as I understand. Kong, again, do you think they are making a sequel to that? And if they did, do you think they wouldn't want more input?

And it's not just Snyder. It was Ayer as well. When it comes to their DC properties, WB seems to come from a fear-based mentality. Nolan was an exception to that.

 

[heatvision38]

I don't think making BvS and JL was fun for Snyder.

Can't tell if serious.

 

[_Superman_]

Don’t do this to yourself, friends.

I will be floored if WB hasn’t completely moved on from this whole thing by now.

This

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Do you think they are making another Blade Runner film? Harry Potter had Rowling involved and she had approval as far as I understand. Kong, again, do you think they are making a sequel to that? And if they did, do you think they wouldn't want more input?

And it's not just Snyder. It was Ayer as well. When it comes to their DC properties, WB seems to come from a fear-based mentality. Nolan was an exception to that.

I don't know about all of that. I just find it curious then that they left Wonder Woman, the DC film that was arguably gonna be the most difficult to get right completely alone.

Suicide Squad I can't speak of because for me as bad as it was it atleast has some kind of guilty pleasure thing going on, some kind of voice.

I know WB are not incompetent when it comes to making these. They made Wonder Woman, Man of Steel, The Dark Knight Trilogy.

I'm thinking even with BvS WB probably told Snyder to just make the movie 30 minutes shorter, how he did that was left entirely up to him. And look what he decided to cut out, and look what he decided to keep.

They must've seen something in Snyders version of JL that made them do this, but by that time it was already too late and they didn't carefully take their time as they were trying to put a bandaid on a bullet hole. I doubt a Snyder Cut will fix anything. The story remains the same, the shaky foundation this whole thing was built on also remains the same.

And if you keep on making these questionable decisions in a movie WB asked you to make then yeah, wasting time to have one single frame of the Flash look like a panel in The Dark Knight returns comic or having glass shatter in the shape of Ontario because thats where the creator of Superman was born, you don't get to do that, I'm sorry. Get the basics right first. Don't put all these useless Easter Eggs in a film the majority of people aren't even gonna bother to see a second time.

Use that time to make a better film.

 

[idiot09]

Don’t do this to yourself, friends.

Yeah I'm not getting my hopes up. I have very little faith in WB left. As they say,"expect the worst...hope for the best".

Can't tell if serious.

Its bait.

Anyway, its obvious from the set videos and stuff, the cast and Zack all had a great time filming the movie, particularly JL.

I don't know about all of that. I just find it curious then that they left Wonder Woman, the DC film that was arguably gonna be the most difficult to get right completely alone.

They left Man of Steel alone too, because Nolan kept the execs at bay. Snyder confirmed this.

Nolan wasnt there for BvS, and then WB got cold feet very late in the game and ordered to cut down 30mins. WB again got cold feet with Suicide Squad, and that was a fiasco as well. GL went through some studio meddling as well. WW luckily didnt. Again JL did. So WB's record with DC films is sketchy as it is. To put WB's ****** behaviour of meddling on Snyder is just not fair. When they stayed away, he gave us MOS, a good film. His version of BvS UC, again a good film. Films they butchered? BvS TC and JL TC. So yeah, I dont blame this on Zack. Many of Ridley Scott's movies also get a rough treatment on the theatrical cut. Blade Runner, Kingdom of Heaven, Legend etc. So no, blaming this on the filmmaker is not OKAY.

I'm thinking even with BvS WB probably told Snyder to just make the movie 30 minutes shorter, how he did that was left emtirely up to him. And look what he decided to cut out, and look what he decided to keep.

I think its pretty clear seeing the difference in both cuts, that the mandate was "MORE BATMAN, less SUPERMAN" and not to cut any of the action scenes or scenes that serviced future movies. Its clearly a studio mandated move.

The story remains the same, the shaky foundation this whole thing was built on also remains the same.

Actually the story doesnt remain the same. Some of the story elements where changed, removed and shortened. Major things that will be different in his version : Pacing, editing, cinematography, color grading, music, characterizations, story, arcs, dialogue etc.

Its like an entirely different movie. Its not like just a bunch of deleted scenes put back in. Its fundamentally different, on like every filmmaking level.

 

[idiot09]

And if you keep on making these questionable decisions in a movie WB asked you to make then yeah, wasting time to have one single frame of the Flash look like a panel in The Dark Knight returns comic or having glass shatter in the shape of Ontario because thats where the creator of Superman was born, you don't get to do that, I'm sorry. Get the basics right first. Don't put all these useless Easter Eggs in a film the majority of people aren't even gonna bother to see a second time.

Use that time to make a better film.

That's just a ****** way to look at it man. He is an artist that is working day and night to make a film. If I'm making a film and I'm trying my best, working 20hrs a day trying to make things as right as I can, I will damn well also have some fun making it. I will put in easter eggs for myself and fans who like that stuff. I wont restrain from doing that just because some people might not like the film. Artists shouldnt restrain themselves in fear of failure. Most of these easter eggs come from just lazy decisions being made creatively. When a vfx artist asks you what shape to make the hole in the wall, you can either say "lol do whatevs who cares" if you're lazy, or you might just say "hey wouldnt it be a cool nod to the comicbook creators if its this shape?". Or when the production design team ask you which books to keep on the shelves and you can go "whatever" or go "hey it would be nice if you can put some of the works of this artist I really respect". Its not like they are not allowed to have some fun in anticipation of what couple of bald critics might say about their film. And its not like its some major WORK or TIME that is being wasted ..these are just minor details handled by the production design or the vfx team. Who knows, these ideas could stem from them as well.

 

[Micromind]

What saddens me the most me is the fact that WBs meddling robbed us of Zack Snyder's visuals and Chris Terrio's dialogue.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

That's just a ****** way to look at it man. He is an artist that is working day and night to make a film. If I'm making a film and I'm trying my best, working 20hrs a day trying to make things as right as I can, I will damn well also have some fun making it. I will put in easter eggs for myself and fans who like that stuff. I wont restrain from doing that just because some people might not like the film. Artists shouldnt restrain themselves in fear of failure. Most of these easter eggs come from just lazy decisions being made creatively. When a vfx artist asks you what shape to make the hole in the wall, you can either say "lol do whatevs who cares" if you're lazy, or you might just say "hey wouldnt it be a cool nod to the comicbook creators if its this shape?". Or when the production design team ask you which books to keep on the shelves and you can go "whatever" or go "hey it would be nice if you can put some of the works of this artist I really respect". Its not like they are not allowed to have some fun in anticipation of what couple of bald critics might say about their film. And its not like its some major WORK or TIME that is being wasted ..these are just minor details handled by the production design or the vfx team. Who knows, these ideas could stem from them as well.

Yeah, I suppose. This whole thing is a mess and I'm not putting everything on Snyder I'm putting everything on everyone involved.

 

[GreenKToo]

It's the suits upstairs. They can't help themselves. There are way too many chefs in the kitchen.
All they want is 'plosions and stuff.
I doubt half, even less than half, could tell you who Clark's real parents are, or who shot Bruce Wayne's parents, or name the island that ww is from.
They think they know best, but they don't know jack.

The biggest problem of all imho, is they make all types of films and really don't need these CB films to be a successful studio and it shows. Just because you throw 200 or 300 million at a film doesn't mean it's gonna be a hit. It has to have a good story first and foremost, good CG, and not be butchered in the editing room.

Compare them to the suits at marvel, those guys eat, sleep, and breath this stuff, that's why they are so successful, they care about the characters plus they don't have to worry about making other types of films.

Until we get THAT mentality from "our guys", we will continue to get hit and miss films, hide and watch.

Screwing up a JL film is like burning boiling water, it's impossible to do but they somehow found a way to do it.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Screwing up a JL film is like burning boiling water, it's impossible to do but they somehow found a way to do just that.

This might become my new sig.

This is the thing that frustrates me the most and why I won't ever let any of this go.

No one is off the hook because when you work on this and you SEE them trying to burn water you revolt. If you didn't revolt you're GUILTY!

 

[GreenKToo]

This might become my new sig.

This is the thing that frustrates me the most and why I won't ever let any of this go.

No one is off the hook because when you work on this and you SEE them trying to burn water you revolt. If you didn't revolt you're GUILTY!

I honestly feel like they knew months ago it was gonna be a failure, but they gave up and decided to move ahead, cut the runtime for maximum profits, and take the money and run.

 

[Superchan]

Can't tell if serious.

Then you need glasses brah.

 

[elgaz]

I feel a bit sorry for Snyder, I've seen some serious abuse levelled at him recently on social media. One guy even wished him dead. People need to seriously take a look at themselves, films are there for our entertainment only and wishing death on someone just because their live action version of a comic property doesn't fit with your expectations is truly twisted. Joel Schumacher butchered Batman but I don't recall the same level of animosity towards him.

 

[Micromind]

Whatever Snyder's version of JL was (Good / Mediocre/ Bad), WB messed it up JL further.

They (WB Execs) messed up Snyder's visuals, the story, dialogue, Soundtrack, CGI effects, makeup, costumes, marketing.

And, no word from them for anything, they have left Snyder to take the blame for poor product that was JL.

 

[HellYeah]

I feel a bit sorry for Snyder, I've seen some serious abuse levelled at him recently on social media. One guy even wished him dead. People need to seriously take a look at themselves, films are there for our entertainment only and wishing death on someone just because their live action version of a comic property doesn't fit with your expectations is truly twisted. Joel Schumacher butchered Batman but I don't recall the same level of animosity towards him.

Like I said, this situation either brings out the best of us, or the worst of us. So far, all I see is people revealing their true nature of hatred.

 

[Micromind]

I think Affeck is not satisfied with the way WB handled the JL movie, I doubt he would be doing / directing any movie under WB banner any time soon.

 

[Tra-El]

 

[HellYeah]

Just cry on my shoulders...my man

 

[heatvision38]

Then you need glasses brah.

Nope. 20/20. Thanks for the concern, though.