Ziggler gets a Wrestling Thread...It's About Damn Time!!!

[Anno_Domini]

Yeah because YOU are the end all be all authority on quality. I still thought Doom was a bigger piece of crap than anything Cena has done.

The same can be said for you, does it not? I still think the films I listed of Cena are WAY worse than Doom.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I see that today's thread is brought to you by the letter I.

 

[Metallo]

Ans Quality wise*I* thought The Marine one of the worst films I've ever seen.

A shame Doom lost a sh**load more money despite you people saying how much better The Rock and his movies are. The public at large didn't give a f***. Guess that great drawing power didn't help.

So you're telling no other wrestler was ever serious about acting?Phoned it in,and got exactly what they most people would expect a half assed film.So it's better that none of the guys have tried rather than The Rock Actually trying.

Why don't you LIST some g*ddamn examples then, bud instead of just generalizing. I laid out examples. I can go through the whole list. I don't see you doing anything like that except tapping your fingers and claiming its gospel.

Go ahead. Wanna talk about ALL of Funks work? Or Venturas? Luger? Goldberg? Hart? Michaels. I can talk about it because I've never been biased FOR on guy and I was more than just an Attitude Era WWF fan.

I'd I never said NO other wrestler has tried. I LISTED at least one. Go back and read an show enough respect to actually get what other people say right before you criticize them.

I never said they phoned it in. Way to keep it accurate, there. Most of them never tried to make a Hollywood career as hard as The Rock. Austins another one of the few who seems to have devoted more time to it. But even he doesn't have a lot of the natural things going for him that Rock did no matter how good he gets.

Well it is a B-Movie to be honest.It's a really good B-movie,and that's not a bad thing at all.I personally think it's on par with The Rundown in terms of quality.The Rundown imo isn't that bad a film at all,and it's probably the only film of The Rock that I can say I enjoy.

Pop culture would claim otherwise. Like I said show me an example otherwise. South Park and The Simpsons are pretty good barometers of how entrenched something is in popular culture and as a long time viewer of both I don't remember either one giving enough of a damn about The Rundown to bother with it. They Live has been referenced for years. But thats what Piper gets for working with Johnn Carpenter, who is more influential than most (all?) of the directors The Rock has worked with.

Considering his movie career has been uneven over the years maybe he did think he needed a jumpstart with adult males.

I guess that film audience that loves him so much didn't give enough of a f*** to buy Wrestlemania. And his clout sure didn't get GI Joe out on time now did it?

But he did comeback and that's really all that matters (to me atleast).He could have easily said no,and went about his way,but agreed and he thought it was a good idea.I don't think The Rock's career is doing all too bad.He's doing fine.

If it had to do with his acting career then it matters in general. We are talking about more than just you.

Don't really care about buyrates and stuff so moving on.

Funny how the blindly loyal Rock supporters seemed to care when it was 1.9 million and the hugest mania success EVAR! Which justified his return

Damn right I am,and I still say The Marine is worst.

Marine didn't lose a sh**load of money and it doesn't seem to get brought up in nearly as many conversations as far as how bad it was.

The same can be said for you, does it not? I still think the films I listed of Cena are WAY worse than Doom.

Except I actually try to back up what I say with some finer details (beyond oh the Rock is the greatest ever), I'm not biased enough to jump in and defend anyone because they are my "favrite," and I've got a wider interest. I'm more open minded and I can be a fan of something or someone even though they were "before my time." Funny how you guys come out of the woodwork to defend The Rock whenever he gets criticized when YOU aren't doing any different with the other side. Pot meet kettle.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I see that today's thread is brought to you by the letter I.

Which should be the name of the next thread

Except I actually try to back up what I say with some finer details (beyond oh the Rock is the greatest ever), I'm not biased enough to jump in and defend anyone because they are my "favrite," and I've got a wider interest. I'm more open minded and I can be a fan of something or someone even though they were "before my time." Funny how you guys come out of the woodwork to defend The Rock whenever he gets criticized when YOU aren't doing any different with the other side. Pot meet kettle.

You seriously have no idea what films interests me, or why. Nice to know you think so much of me when you have no idea. Am I SAYING I like Tooth Fairy? Nope. I am saying 12 Rounds, Legendary, The Reunion are worse than DOOM. Not BOTH films. Why you can't read what I said, well, I guess you only know the reason. Plus, mind you, I rather enjoy Rock's films more simply put. He's the better actor, imo. And you're gonna say "its totes because you like rock and only that", but whatevs.

But, okay, back up with why you say Doom is worse than any of Cena's films. Go on.

 

[Metallo]

You seriously have no idea what films interests me, or why. Nice to know you think so much of me when you have no idea.

Thats the pot calling the kettle black. Get off your high horse because you're doing the same thing you accuse me of.

Am I SAYING I like Tooth Fairy? Nope. I am saying 12 Rounds, Legendary, The Reunion are worse than DOOM. Not BOTH films. Why you can't read what I said, well, I guess you only know the reason.

I DID read what you said. And I think Doom is worse. So is Tooth Fairy AND?????

Plus, mind you, I rather enjoy Rock's films more simply put. He's the better actor, imo. And you're gonna say "its totes because you like rock and only that", but whatevs.

Jeepers, Mr Kent I wonder why?

But, okay, back up with why you say Doom is worse than any of Cena's films. Go on.

The Rock telling Cena not to feel so bad at a HOF because he made DOOM. It got terrible reviews. Lost more money despite aaaaaallll they put into it and the Rocks superior acting skills. But mostly because Rock himself seemed to imply it was worse.

 

[DBryan]

They're both bad films, but The Marine is just its own special kind of bad. There's basically no debate. The Marine is cheap as hell, it has cheap and straight-to-video all over it. Doom is at least to a more professional standard of production.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

A shame Doom lost a sh**load more money despite you people saying how much better The Rock and his movies are. The public at large didn't give a f***. Guess that great drawing power didn't help.

Don't really care enough..

Why don't you LIST some g*ddamn examples then, bud instead of just generalizing. I laid out examples. I can go through the whole list. I don't see you doing anything like that except tapping your fingers and claiming its gospel.

Go ahead. Wanna talk about ALL of Funks work? Or Venturas? Luger? Goldberg? Hart? Michaels. I can talk about it because I've never been biased FOR on guy and I was more than just an Attitude Era WWF fan.

I'm not the one that's biased,and I'm not that big of a fan of The Rock in general.I just think that pretty much no wrestler other than a small few has done anything substantial in film from what I'm seen.I'm not the one losing my temper over it.And if you want me to be specific I was talking about success in general.

I'd I never said NO other wrestler has tried. I LISTED at least one. Go back and read an show enough respect to actually get what other people say right before you criticize them.

Most of the other guys didn't try.

Such a huge difference,and how was I being disrespectful?

I never said they phoned it in. Way to keep it accurate, there. Most of them never tried to make a Hollywood career as hard as The Rock. Austins another one of the few who seems to have devoted more time to it. But even he doesn't have a lot of the natural things going for him that Rock did no matter how good he gets.

So basically The Rock got by on his looks and Austin couldn't make it in acting because he's not attractive.I personally think Piper could have made a career out of it,and so could have Austin if they were 100% serious about (I actually don't think Austin's doing too bad for himself seeing how he got a substantial role in the Expendables)Plus Austin's not that bad of a looking guy.

Pop culture would claim otherwise. Like I said show me an example otherwise. South Park and The Simpsons are pretty good barometers of how entrenched something is in popular culture and as a long time viewer of both I don't remember either one giving enough of a damn about The Rundown to bother with it.
They Live has been referenced for years. But thats what Piper gets for working with Johnn Carpenter, who is more influential than most (all?) of the directors The Rock has worked with.

I've never questioned the popularity of They Live.The key word I said was quality.I could give a damn about something being enriched in pop culture,and I never said They Live was a bad movie at all it's a really good B-Movie.Being called a B-movie isn't a bad thing at all,and I'm well aware of who John Carpenter is so there's no need to namedrop every time.

I guess that film audience that loves him so much didn't give enough of a f*** to buy Wrestlemania. And his clout sure didn't get GI Joe out on time now did it?

I don't think all of The Rock's fans are wrestling fans some of his fan like him as an actor(atleast not anymore)Plus I would'nt say 1.1 million buys is that bad of a thing.GI JOE on the other hand getting pushed back has nothing to do with The Rock really.I think they wanted to add 3D or something like that.




If it had to do with his acting career then it matters in general. We are talking about more than just you.

Funny how the blindly loyal Rock supporters seemed to care when it was 1.9 million and the hugest mania success EVAR! Which justified his return

I don't care about buyrates in general since none of that effects me.

Marine didn't lose a sh**load of money and it doesn't seem to get brought up in nearly as many conversations as far as how bad it was.

Because no one remembers it.Both films suck though

Except I actually try to back up what I say with some finer details (beyond oh the Rock is the greatest ever), I'm not biased enough to jump in and defend anyone because they are my "favrite," and I've got a wider interest. I'm more open minded and I can be a fan of something or someone even though they were "before my time." Funny how you guys come out of the woodwork to defend The Rock whenever he gets criticized when YOU aren't doing any different with the other side. Pot meet kettle.

Truth be told I'm not even that big of a fan of The Rock,but I just think you have some type of serious bias against to the point where it becomes pretty hilarious and sad at the same time.I personally think that The Rock is a really good wrestler,and an Okay actor.I just don't go on bashing someone I don't like.I move on,and let bygones be bygones.I think that The Rock haters are just as bad as people who hate any wrestlers like they killed an old lady is lame in general.

 

[Superark]

TNA is either really pushing the worked-shoot angle or Joey Ryan and Taz really do not like each other.

Credit www.PWInsider.com

Taz faced off with Joey Ryan in an interview on Vendetta Pro Radio that you can listen to by clicking here. Taz comes on at the 12:25 mark. It's pretty entertaining.

 

[Metallo]

 

[Pink Ranger]

Okay, everyone stand up and salute.

Hey, why is nobody standing?

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

my dear we may be sitting down but we're giving you a standing ovation

 

[Metallo]

Don't really care enough..

Obviously you cared enough to bring up how well he's done. You just don't care when something contradicts that, right?

I'm not the one that's biased,and I'm not that big of a fan of The Rock in general.I just think that pretty much no wrestler other than a small few has done anything substantial in film from what I'm seen.I'm not the one losing my temper over it.And if you want me to be specific I was talking about success in general.

For a guy who isn't losing his temper you sure are being a wiseass. Clearly its bothering you otherwise you wouldn't be making jokes at others expense or putting words in their mouths or making personal assumptions about them in a discussion that isn't about me. And if you aren't biased in favor of the Rock why do you keep feeling the need to defend him?

Success in general? In general by the very definition of the word isn't specific? WTF? I said BE SPECIFIC. You make the claims you do but can't give me any details? You didn't specify anything.

Such a huge difference,and how was I being disrespectful?
So basically The Rock got by on his looks and Austin couldn't make it in acting because he's not attractive.I personally think Piper could have made a career out of it,and so could have Austin if they were 100% serious about (I actually don't think Austin's doing too bad for himself seeing how he got a substantial role in the Expendables)Plus Austin's not that bad of a looking guy.

By sticking words in my mouth and stating things I did or didn't even say. I never said anyone was "phoning it in" and I DID give Piper as an example which you ignored. Obviously you don't respect someone else enough to even represent what they said truthfully in their argument.
Austin and Piper both got into acting when they were older. Especially Austin. Austin's whole persona and look has pigeonholed him in a way somewhat that Rocks never would. Austin got into action movies with some physical limitations. And as far as looks in Hollywood the aesthetic is almost more important than ANYTHING.

I've never questioned the popularity of They Live.The key word I said was quality.I could give a damn about something being enriched in pop culture,and I never said They Live was a bad movie at all it's a really good B-Movie.Being called a B-movie isn't a bad thing at all,and I'm well aware of who John Carpenter is so there's no need to namedrop every time.

If it wasn't a higher quality piece of work how the hell would people NOT be remembering it fondly 24 years later? Its stuff of lesser quality that doesn't endure. Can you show how The Rundown has made its mark on popular culture even a decade or so later?

Funny you don't give a damn when it contradicts your argument. Yet YOU are the one claiming The Rundown is just is good. Do you give a damn about such things or don't you? You give enough of a damn to give as it as an example I guess. Just barely

I don't think all of The Rock's fans are wrestling fans some of his fan like him as an actor(at least not anymore)Plus I wouldn't say 1.1 million buys is that bad of a thing.GI JOE on the other hand getting pushed back has nothing to do with The Rock really.I think they wanted to add 3D or something like that.

Aaaand you missed the point entirely. Or avoided it. Nice. The point is he was going to do something so big that had had never been done before. He didn't. Certain people have claimed his the greatest WRESTLER ever because of his Hollywood success when the buyrates and ratings would show otherwise.

And the studio/Hasbro hired the Rock for GI Joe because they felt he would help the movie draw better. If they still had that much confidence in him the would have soldiered on with the release date. If he was this great movie star they would have felt more confident in him anchoring the film.


You point out how well he's done but when there is a stubling block for him you DON'T want to hear about it. The film being pushed back has a lot more to do with stuff beyond 3D conversion.

I don't care about buyrates in general since none of that effects me.

And yet his level of success in film DOES affect you? You sure are talking about that a lot. Way to have that double standard in this discussion, guy.

Because no one remembers it.Both films suck though

One sucked harder to a bigger point of failure though.

Truth be told I'm not even that big of a fan of The Rock,but I just think you have some type of serious bias against to the point where it becomes pretty hilarious and sad at the same time.I personally think that The Rock is a really good wrestler,and an Okay actor.I just don't go on bashing someone I don't like.I move on,and let bygones be bygones.I think that The Rock haters are just as bad as people who hate any wrestlers like they killed an old lady is lame in general.

You criticize my opinions and yet you are making assumptions against me. What does that make you? You say what someone says is hilarious and sad? Shows a serious lack of respect for the other person. I might disagree with your viewpoint but you don't see me belittling it.

If its so hilarious why did you feel the need to interject yourself so expensively? If you aren't biased why are you making just as big a deal to argue against me or respond to what I'd saying? Pot meet kettle.

And I don't hate The Rock or anyone. You making assumptions against people you don't even know makes you what exactly?

You assume criticism equals hate. Thats you're whole problem to begin with while you're on your high horse on this issue trying to point the finger at someone or wiseass against them when you are making assumptions that are just as bad as you claim.

HATE is a strong word to be throwing around to make a point.

 

[The Sage]

TNA is either really pushing the worked-shoot angle or Joey Ryan and Taz really do not like each other.

Credit www.PWInsider.com

Taz faced off with Joey Ryan in an interview on Vendetta Pro Radio that you can listen to by clicking here. Taz comes on at the 12:25 mark. It's pretty entertaining.

Hey look, an actual discussion about wrestling.

Hope it is a shoot. Wasn't really high on Joey Ryan personally.

 

[Metallo]

I hope its a worked shoot. Could be pretty entertaining.

Okay, everyone stand up and salute.

Hey, why is nobody standing?

Oh I'm standing. Gun in hand for a 21 shot salute....ready to cock it





What?

 

[Anno_Domini]

Thats the pot calling the kettle black. Get off your high horse because you're doing the same thing you accuse me of.

Get off my high horse? I never brought up how much I enjoyed Rock's films until you brought this topic up.

I DID read what you said. And I think Doom is worse. So is Tooth Fairy AND?????

And...I don't think Doom is worse. Tooth Fairy, sure, because it was a film towards kids anyways, so why the hell would I watch it?

Jeepers, Mr Kent I wonder why?

But how is that a bad thing? Dwayne has been in some great movies, as I give you Rundown or Walking Tall. He can be in some great movies. Has he lately? No, but it's better than the path Cena has taken.

The Rock telling Cena not to feel so bad at a HOF because he made DOOM. It got terrible reviews. Lost more money despite aaaaaallll they put into it and the Rocks superior acting skills. But mostly because Rock himself seemed to imply it was worse.

Yah, and he told Cena not to feel bad about The Marine because of what happened with Doom. So that shows that Cena is aware of how bad Marine is, but frankly, Marine is actually the only film from Cena I like.

 

[Metallo]

Get off my high horse? I never brought up how much I enjoyed Rock's films until you brought this topic up.

You've been doing that for a WHILE. And I didn't bring up the topic. You were one of the ones who felt the need to defend the Rock when it started when I disagreed.

And...I don't think Doom is worse. Tooth Fairy, sure, because it was a film towards kids anyways, so why the hell would I watch it?

Good for you. I think its worse. have trouble getting that?

But how is that a bad thing? Dwayne has been in some great movies, as I give you Rundown or Walking Tall. He can be in some great movies. Has he lately? No, but it's better than the path Cena has taken.

Yeah Cenas path was to stick by the company that made him. How TERRIBLE of him. Rock can do what ever he wants but that doesn't make it "better." You're bias is showing again.

Yah, and he told Cena not to feel bad about The Marine because of what happened with Doom. So that shows that Cena is aware of how bad Marine is, but frankly, Marine is actually the only film from Cena I like.

And it shows Rock is aware Doom is just as bad or worse. The Marine didn't LOSE that much money though. Doom was a flop.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

Obviously you cared enough to bring up how well he's done. You just don't care when something contradicts that, right?

The Rock has a pretty successfull caree besides Doom,I just don't give a damn about Doom or the Marine that much to compare their respective B.O.s

For a guy who isn't losing his temper you sure are being a wiseass. Clearly its bothering you otherwise you wouldn't be making jokes at others expense or putting words in their mouths or making personal assumptions about them in a discussion that isn't about me. And if you aren't biased in favor of the Rock why do you keep feeling the need to defend him?

I'm a natural wiseass so I sometimes can't tell when I'm doing it.I'm not really biased for the Rock I just see that he's getting hated for almost no reason.

Success in general? In general by the very definition of the word isn't specific? WTF? I said BE SPECIFIC. You make the claims you do but can't give me any details? You didn't specify anything.

Don't feel like being specific it takes too much work.

By sticking words in my mouth and stating things I did or didn't even say. I never said anyone was "phoning it in" and I DID give Piper as an example which you ignored. Obviously you don't respect someone else enough to even represent what they said truthfully in their argument.
Austin and Piper both got into acting when they were older. Especially Austin. Austin's whole persona and look has pigeonholed him in a way somewhat that Rocks never would. Austin got into action movies with some physical limitations. And as far as looks in Hollywood the aesthetic is almost more important than ANYTHING.

Looks is not the be all end all thing in hollywood.If that was the case then numerous actors would be out of a job.Talent or marketing plays a much bigger role in films than anything in general.Good actors get good roles.Bad actors get good roles.It all depends on how you can get yourself across as being the right person for the job.Rock convinced people that he is right for the job,and the people in charge agreed.It's all about who you know or how you do it.

If it wasn't a higher quality piece of work how the hell would people NOT be remembering it fondly 24 years later? Its stuff of lesser quality that doesn't endure. Can you show how The Rundown has made its mark on popular culture even a decade or so later?

Funny you don't give a damn when it contradicts your argument. Yet YOU are the one claiming The Rundown is just is good. Do you give a damn about such things or don't you? You give enough of a damn to give as it as an example I guess. Just barely

I
Not really I'm going off personal opinion.I could careless about Pop culture

Aaaand you missed the point entirely. Or avoided it. Nice. The point is he was going to do something so big that had had never been done before. He didn't. Certain people have claimed his the greatest WRESTLER ever because of his Hollywood success when the buyrates and ratings would show otherwise.

And the studio/Hasbro hired the Rock for GI Joe because they felt he would help the movie draw better. If they still had that much confidence in him the would have soldiered on with the release date. If he was this great movie star they would have felt more confident in him anchoring the film.


You point out how well he's done but when there is a stubling block for him you DON'T want to hear about it. The film being pushed back has a lot more to do with stuff beyond 3D conversion.

I'm really not paying any attention to GI JOE in general.So I don't know what's going on with that,and I really think that films in general nowaday are relying less on big names,and more focus on franchises.

And yet his level of success in film DOES affect you? You sure are talking about that a lot. Way to have that double standard in this discussion, guy.

I just don't give a damn about PPV buyrates in general.It never really made sense to me that an entire PPV rests on the shoulders on one or 2 person when theres's a whole staff of people involved in making a show complete.I don't get it.

One sucked harder to a bigger point of failure though.

And the other barely counts as a movie.

You criticize my opinions and yet you are making assumptions against me. What does that make you? You say what someone says is hilarious and sad? Shows a serious lack of respect for the other person. I might disagree with your viewpoint but you don't see me belittling it.

If its so hilarious why did you feel the need to interject yourself so expensively? If you aren't biased why are you making just as big a deal to argue against me or respond to what I'd saying? Pot meet kettle.

And I don't hate The Rock or anyone. You making assumptions against people you don't even know makes you what exactly?

You assume criticism equals hate. Thats you're whole problem to begin with while you're on your high horse on this issue trying to point the finger at someone or wiseass against them when you are making assumptions that are just as bad as you claim.

HATE is a strong word to be throwing around to make a point.

I'm not even going to go there because I don't think I'm being belittling anyones opinion.I'm just saying my peice.If you wanna have a rage attack go ahead and knock yourself out.I'm just going off what I'm observing.It's rather pointless getting angry over someone neither of us know.Like you show day in and day out.

 

[Metallo]

The Rock has a pretty successful career besides Doom,I just don't give a damn about Doom or the Marine that much to compare their respective B.O.s

And yet YOU were the one who brought up other wrestlers. And I am talking about more than just box office but who made a real go at it and who didn't. You can bring them up but then are too lazy to give any details?

I'm a natural wiseass so I sometimes can't tell when I'm doing it.I'm not really biased for the Rock I just see that he's getting hated for almost no reason.

HATE is such a strong word. Nobody is hating on the Rock. The fact that you think any kind of criticism equals hate shows bias. Didn't realize you were his court appointed defender.

Don't feel like being specific it takes too much work.

So you just admitted what you've been saying has no basis. If it didn't you'd actually do the work. You ACT like you know the details already so how is that too much work?

Looks is not the be all end all thing in hollywood.If that was the case then numerous actors would be out of a job.Talent or marketing plays a much bigger role in films than anything in general.Good actors get good roles.Bad actors get good roles.It all depends on how you can get yourself across as being the right person for the job.Rock convinced people that he is right for the job,and the people in charge agreed.It's all about who you know or how you do it.

Looks are more important than just about anything else. I didn't say they were the end all. Words in my mouth again.

Rocks LOOKS mean he is EASIER to market. Not to hard for you to make that connection is it?

Not really I'm going off personal opinion.I could careless about Pop culture

Once again basically pulling stuff out of your ass I see.

I'm really not paying any attention to GI JOE in general.So I don't know what's going on with that,and I really think that films in general nowaday are relying less on big names,and more focus on franchises.

But I guess you were paying enough attention before to give your two cents?

I just don't give a damn about PPV buyrates in general.It never really made sense to me that an entire PPV rests on the shoulders on one or 2 person when there's a whole staff of people involved in making a show complete.I don't get it.

Apparently WWE and your fellow Rock defenders would disagree with you. When he draws huge its all thanks to him right? When he doesn't its not his fault? Either he's done well or he hasn't. He's just really popular when its convenient for the defenders right?

And the other barely counts as a movie.

A movie is a movie.

I'm not even going to go there because I don't think I'm being belittling anyones opinion.I'm just saying my piece.If you wanna have a rage attack go ahead and knock yourself out.I'm just going off what I'm observing.It's rather pointless getting angry over someone neither of us know.Like you show day in and day out.

Not having a rage. There you go being flippant again. That has nothing to do with me supposedly "raging." The same kind of down the nose internet dismissive speak. You just dismissed what I said as "hilarious" and "sad." Its in your own f***n post, dude.

If you had anything of merit to contribute you'd keep it on the topic at hand instead of making it about me but you can't seem to do that. Instead of a counterpoint I'm just "beating up on the Rock." Yeah that viewpoint isn't biased at all.

If you had anything of merit to contribute you'd keep it on the topic at hand instead of making it about me but you can't seem to do that,

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I really don't know why I got myself into this.

And yet YOU were the one who brought up other wrestlers. And I am talking about more than just box office but who made a real go at it and who didn't. You can bring them up but then are too lazy to give any details?

What do I need to bring up really?No other wrestler has really succeeded Box Office wise,So it would be kinda pointless to research it all basically.I have nothing against those other guy and all the respect in the world for them,but bringing up who had the biggest opening weekend etc.Is all kinda pointless.Sorry if that seems like I'm on a high horse or lazy,but it's all pointless to me.


QUOTE=Metallo;23725945]
HATE is such a strong word. Nobody is hating on the Rock. The fact that you think any kind of criticism equals hate shows bias. Didn't realize you were his court appointed defender.[/QUOTE]
Could have fooled me.It seems to me you have some type of obsession with my client and bias in general.

So you just admitted what you've been saying has no basis. If it didn't you'd actually do the work. You ACT like you know the details already so how is that too much work?

Looks are more important than just about anything else. I didn't say they were the end all. Words in my mouth again.

Rocks LOOKS mean he is EASIER to market. Not to hard for you to make that connection is it?

That doesn't mean anything if you don't know what the hell your'e doing.a chick can look like a million bucks and not get any roles,because they can't market themselves.

And you might not have said they were the end all be all,but the fact of the matter now I'm apparently putting words in your mouth when in general you did say

And as far as looks in Hollywood the aesthetic is almost more important than ANYTHING.

You didn't say that exactly,but you damn sure were implying it,but apparently I put words in your mouth

Once again basically pulling stuff out of your ass I see.

Why Lie,I don't care about what was referenced where.As I clearly said multiple times.

But I guess you were paying enough attention before to give your two cents?

That was my whole pont about the thing,and I left my 2 cents on it.

Apparently WWE and your fellow Rock defenders would disagree with you. When he draws huge its all thanks to him right? When he doesn't its not his fault? Either he's done well or he hasn't. He's just really popular when its convenient for the defenders right?

I'm not them,and I still don't care.

A movie is a movie.

LOL Whatever,dude.I am not talking DOOM vs The Marine.That's like crap vs horsecrap.

Not having a rage. There you go being flippant again. That has nothing to do with me supposedly "raging." The same kind of down the nose internet dismissive speak. You just dismissed what I said as "hilarious" and "sad." Its in your own f***n post, dude.

If you had anything of merit to contribute you'd keep it on the topic at hand instead of making it about me but you can't seem to do that. Instead of a counterpoint I'm just "beating up on the Rock." Yeah that viewpoint isn't biased at all.

If you had anything of merit to contribute you'd keep it on the topic at hand instead of making it about me but you can't seem to do that,

Make it about you?I didn't make it about you.You can't seem to hold an argument without being insulting.I'm not the one rolling my eyes,and being facetious.Apparently this seems like a sensitive subject for you to deal with.

 

[Metallo]

I really don't know why I got myself into this.

What do I need to bring up really?No other wrestler has really succeeded Box Office wise,So it would be kinda pointless to research it all basically.I have nothing against those other guy and all the respect in the world for them,but bringing up who had the biggest opening weekend etc.Is all kinda pointless.Sorry if that seems like I'm on a high horse or lazy,but it's all pointless to me.

The fact that Rocks success isn't the one sided issue you make it out to be? So you bring it up but you are too damn lazy to go any further into it. Not surprising. Obviously pointing it out in the first place wasn't pointless enough for you. How hard is it to use your memory? You seem to know it shouldn't that hard.

Could have fooled me.It seems to me you have some type of obsession with my client and bias in general.

If anyone here has an obsession its you defending him. Is anyone putting a gun to your head? You obviously had a problem with the criticism or otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to jump in.

Other people have talked about other things (including me) but this is ALL you've talked about. Speaks volumes.

That doesn't mean anything if you don't know what the hell you're doing.a chick can look like a million bucks and not get any roles,because they can't market themselves.

And Hollywood still finds it easier to market attractive people. Been that way since the beginning. Rock didn't do it himself. He's always had a media machine behind him.
The studios have most of the power. Funny you don't keep up with the inner working of movies but NOW all of a sudden you are an expert in the inner workings of the marketing industry. Apparently you care enough to explain something when its convenient.

And you might not have said they were the end all be all,but the fact of the matter now I'm apparently putting words in your mouth when in general you did say


You didn't say that exactly,but you damn sure were implying it,but apparently I put words in your mouth

What The. F***? As I try to understand all that gibberish I'll say I didn't imply anything. And yeah you did claim I said things that I didn't.

Why Lie,I don't care about what was referenced where.As I clearly said multiple times.

Except you reference things yourself and bring up points and then you have nothing to back them up. So why the hell bring them up in the first place?

That was my whole point about the thing,and I left my 2 cents on it.

And yet when someone questions you on it you don't elaborate. Who is biased and pulling stuff out of their a** again?

I'm not them,and I still don't care.

Well why the f*** did you jump into the discussion?

LOL Whatever,dude.I am not talking DOOM vs The Marine.That's like crap vs horsecrap.

Dooms the horsecrap I'm sure. Two shovels full.

Make it about you?I didn't make it about you.You can't seem to hold an argument without being insulting.I'm not the one rolling my eyes,and being facetious.Apparently this seems like a sensitive subject for you to deal with.

You just said I hate on the Rock instead of giving a valid counterpoint or saying you just disagree. Then you say what I said is "sad and hilarious" If anyone was making wiseass personal jokes and insults its you. Where did I say what you said was "sad and hilarious?" I didn't. And you claimed *I* was beating up on the Rock or *raging* in a condescending way. What an arrogant assed assumption. You try to point the finger at me but then you act like your hands are clean of it. If you think you are so right on the subject why bring me into it at all?

Like I said ALL you've contributed today is some wiseass criticisms of me and defenses of the Rock. You seem to have a problem when anyone criticizes him while everyone else has actually tried to talk about wrestling. When they do have a criticism they are "sad and hilarious" or "raging." WHO is biased exactly?

 

[Anno_Domini]

You've been doing that for a WHILE. And I didn't bring up the topic. You were one of the ones who felt the need to defend the Rock when it started when I disagreed.

I defended the point because of something you had said. Don't make it seem like I started the topic. You said Doom and Tooth Fairy were way worse than any of Cena's films, and I beg to differ.

And I haven't been doing this for a while at all. I bring in my two cents on Dwayne whenever the Rock/Cena topic gets brought up.

Good for you. I think its worse. have trouble getting that?

And I think you are wrong. So we have different opinions, but don't make it seem like your opinion trumps mine.

Yeah Cenas path was to stick by the company that made him. How TERRIBLE of him. Rock can do what ever he wants but that doesn't make it "better." You're bias is showing again.

Cena's path is to stick with WWE-produced films that are as horrible as his acting. That's the path I am referring to. And...not once have I said that it's bad that Cena is still with the "company that made him". Again, you assume and you assume terribly. I am talking about Cena's films and only that.

And it shows Rock is aware Doom is just as bad or worse. The Marine didn't LOSE that much money though. Doom was a flop.

Doom didn't make up its budget, but Marine only BARELY made up its budget. Doom wasn't much of a flop when compared

But, once again let me say this....money doesn't matter when it comes to personal opinion. I still liked Doom. I also said I liked The Marine.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

The fact that Rocks success isn't the one sided issue you make it out to be? So you bring it up but you are too damn lazy to go any further into it. Not surprising. Obviously pointing it out in the first place wasn't pointless enough for you. How hard is it to use your memory? You seem to know it shouldn't that hard.

Well it is.imo He's the only really successful actor who's gone on to do anything substantial in the acting world.Long term at least.I don't feel the need to remember specific numbers.In general The Rock has had a more successfull film career.Hell he's #4 on the FORBES list as someone posted just a few posts ago.

If anyone here has an obsession its you defending him. Is anyone putting a gun to your head? You obviously had a problem with the criticism or otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to jump in.

Yeah I jumped in because I was tired of what you like to call "criticism",because at some point criticsm goes beyond criticism,and becomes an obvious bias.You can deny it all you want,but it's clear as day.Get outta here with that.

Other people have talked about other things (including me) but this is ALL you've talked about. Speaks volumes.

And Hollywood still finds it easier to market attractive people. Been that way since the beginning. Rock didn't do it himself. He's always had a media machine behind him.

So because The Rock's attractive.No other wrestler has made it?and I'm not putting words in your mouth because that's basically what's being implied.

The studios have most of the power. Funny you don't keep up with the inner working of movies but NOW all of a sudden you are an expert in the inner workings of the marketing industry. Apparently you care enough to explain something when its convenient.

I never said I was an expert on marketing that's putting words in my mouth.All I said basically is that The Rock probably has a good marketing team,and that probably got the studios attention.

What The. F***? As I try to understand all that gibberish I'll say I didn't imply anything. And yeah you did claim I said things that I didn't.

I'm just gonna take the high road,and not respond to that,and I'm the one who's belittling?HA.Rage on dude.

Except you reference things yourself and bring up points and then you have nothing to back them up. So why the hell bring them up in the first place?

You brought up Pop culture references.What are you talking about?

And yet when someone questions you on it you don't elaborate. Who is biased and pulling stuff out of their a** again?

I thought I already answered that question.

Well why the f*** did you jump into the discussion?

You know what...

Dooms the horsecrap I'm sure. Two shovels full.



You just said I hate on the Rock instead of giving a valid counterpoint or saying you just disagree. Then you say what I said is "sad and hilarious" If anyone was making wiseass personal jokes and insults its you. Where did I say what you said was "sad and hilarious?" I didn't. And you claimed *I* was beating up on the Rock or *raging* in a condescending way. What an arrogant assed assumption. You try to point the finger at me but then you act like your hands are clean of it. If you think you are so right on the subject why bring me into it at all?
Like I said ALL you've contributed today is some wiseass defense of the Rock because you seem to have a problem when anyone criticizes him while everyone else has actually tried to talk about wrestling. WHO is biased exactly?

I don't have any problems with people criticizing anyone.It's just when it's BS I do,and all I see personally is BS.

And I'm Contradicting myself?Yeah I'm done.Peace out.Have a great 4th of July.lol

 

[Metallo]

]- It was reported earlier this week by The Wrestling Observer that Triple H had reached out to wrestling legend Bruno Sammartino, who has a troubled relationship with WWE and Vince McMahon, about being inducted into the 2013 Hall of Fame. Sammartino issued a statement later saying he was turning down WWE's invitation for the Hall. The Observer followed up and said Sammartino wasn't impressed by Triple H's approach on the phone. Sammartino issued another statement saying those reports were not true.[/I]

PWInsiderElite.com spoke with Sammartino this week about the reports. Sammartino discussed his talks with Triple H, his recent visit to Ring of Honor and more. Here are some highlights about his phone call with Triple H, thanks to Vinnie for passing along:

* Sammartino said Triple H was a gentleman, impressed him and they talked for a while. Triple H wanted to open communication because he was aware of the bad relationship between Vince and Bruno. Triple H figured Sammartino being inducted in the NY/NJ area would be good for the fans.

* Bruno mentioned that Triple H cited Madison Square Garden as a possible location for the ceremony.

* Bruno turned down the invite because he has issues with WWE and wouldn't feel right going into the Hall. Sammartino said he appreciated everything Triple H and WWE offered but in good conscious, he could not do it. Bruno brought up WWE not having a physical building for their Hall of Fame and the fact that they have non-wrestlers inducted.

* Regarding a future relationship with WWE, Bruno said there is no interest and as long as Vince McMahon is in the company, he doesn't think anything will happen between the two sides.

* Sammartino believes Triple H wants to do the right things for the business. Triple H told him that he respects the wrestling of yesteryear's and was trying to move away from some of the more racier stuff we've seen.

Glad that other story turned out to be inaccurate. It would have been the worst way to approach Bruno. I can't blame him on this though. He was a great champion and he's trying ti stick to principle in a business that gave many of those up a long time ago. Someone has to stand for something. I don't totally agree with him but I would never disrespect the man by belittling what he believes. He's earned the right to think what he wants by what he's given to the business.

Not right that Bruno has to sell out but Vince gets to win to feed his ego and his bank account and not give up anything.

The longest reigning WWE champion of all time..enshrined next to Drew Carrey and Pete Rose. Kind of makes me gag too (and I like what Rose contributed to WWE).

- Maxine, whose real name is Karlee Leilani Perez, quit WWE last week due to frustration with her lack of upward mobility after being affiliated with the sports entertainment organization for over three years. F4Wonline.com reports she wasn't the only female talent frustrated with her standing in the company and that some employees believe she will not be the last to leave on her own accord. This comes on the heels of Kelly Kelly taking a hiatus in order to return to modeling and see if she can land opportunities in Hollywood.

Maxine continues a trend that began last year of female talent opting to walk away from WWE, which includes Michelle McCool, Gail Kim, Maryse, Brie Bella and Nikki Bella.

Not that WWE cares (or ever will) but more talent need to try this to put some power back in their hands. There is really no other way except. WWE will just replace her with another pair of t**s and a** though.

It could be looked at as not caring or not being dedicated which might be true but the fact that she seemed to be so upset in the first place seems to show she at least wanted an opportunity to prove herself and she wasn't even getting that. And Vince always says he gives opportunities.



[QUOTE]- Kharma, who has not appeared for WWE since the Royal Rumble, is ready to return to the ring and waiting to be reintroduced on television. Many of her Diva peers are frustrated with her absence from television.[/QUOTE]

F4WOnline.com is reporting that WWE is targeting Survivor Series on November 18th as the return date for The Undertaker.

Company officials feel that after undergoing two major surgeries last year and performing adequately at WrestleMania 28, Undertaker has several big matches left in the tank and could handle wrestling at both Survivor Series and WrestleMania 29.

Not really surprising. They know they need him with the roster so thin. I think he could do it but unless they bring him back to help make some of the other talents look good somehow I don't see any other point. I love Taker but his full time days are over and feeding guys to him every six months doesn't address the problem.

 

[TX85]

Haven't they done this like...twice already or something?

Yeah But this will one will likely be much better&best nWo video release,Perhaps extra footage&matches not seen on nWo video releases/new interviews&other stuff!!

I'd love a whole new nWo documentary with tons of new nWo footage&matches not shown in nWo or even WCW related videos releases!

 

[Metallo]

Well it is.imo He's the only really successful actor who's gone on to do anything substantial in the acting world.Long term at least.I don't feel the need to remember specific numbers.In general The Rock has had a more successful film career.Hell he's #4 on the FORBES list as someone posted just a few posts ago.

You don't feel the need or you know you don't have a damn leg to stand on? You can talk about plenty of bullsh** but then when someone asks for some details you're too f***n lazy to back it up.

Yeah I jumped in because I was tired of what you like to call "criticism",because at some point criticism goes beyond criticism,and becomes an obvious bias.You can deny it all you want,but it's clear as day.Get outta here with that.

Just like I said the BIAS is coming from you. It pissed you off what I said. I don't really give a goddamn what you think but the truth is the truth. If you don't like what I say tough sh**.

You are the one who has ONLY been talking about this so get out of here with that bullsh** that you are the defender of whats right. Nobody believes that crap but your ilk.

So because The Rock's attractive.No other wrestler has made it?and I'm not putting words in your mouth because that's basically what's being implied.

No this time you just oversimplify things when it suits your purposes. Obviously not lazy enough to do that. I said his looks HELPED him. They did. Welcome to the real world.

I never said I was an expert on marketing that's putting words in my mouth.All I said basically is that The Rock probably has a good marketing team,and that probably got the studios attention.

You sure act like you are. But you don't feel like backing that up much either do you?

I'm just gonna take the high road,and not respond to that,and I'm the one who's belittling?HA.Rage on dude.

The time the take the high road would have been a long time ago. You've been saying sh** all day. Clearly you are the one raging because your hero was questioned. You've pretty much said as much. Couldn't stand it anymore

You brought up Pop culture references.What are you talking about?

I'll try to make it simple for you. You talked about how the movies were even. I pointed out how thats not accurate. Now you're trying to bullsh** your way out of it again.

I thought I already answered that question.

I hadn't asked it yet. But I'm sure you can give another half assed answer. Unless you are too lazy.

You know what...

I don't have any problems with people criticizing anyone.It's just when it's BS I do,and all I see personally is BS.

And I'm Contradicting myself?Yeah I'm done.Peace out.Have a great 4th of July.lol

You definitely know BS since you've been typing it all day What I said I've tried to back up while you were too tired or too busy to give a f** or didn't have a clue or whatever while everyone else is trying to move on an ALL you keep contributing is your pro Rock rants because you are pissed off over your boy being questioned.