Ziggler gets a Wrestling Thread...It's About Damn Time!!!

[Lunar_Wolf]

 

[Superark]

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WWE Superstar David Otunga may be close to tying the know with girlfriend of four years Jennifer Hudson according to a story in the Independent Woman section of Irish Independent. The story notes that Hudson pushed a lot of people away during the trial of William Balfour, the man convicted of killing her mother, brother, and nephew, but she now seems ready to finally wed Otunga, and the two are rumored to be planning the wedding now. You can read the full story at http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle...marry-her-pro-wrestler-boyfriend-3152353.html.

Shore's Slant: Congratulations to Otunga and Hudson in their pending nuptials. Perhaps for a wedding gift someone can get him some charisma. OK, that was mean. But is there anybody out there who really thinks Otunga would still have a job if he wasn't about to be married to Hudson? I don't.

 

[TX85]

Hudson is not even a big name actress

 

[brainchild81]

Thats because they too often bend over the GOOD booking like Punk vs Cena feud for a bunch of past their prime old names like HHH and The Rock.

& Undertaker. Don't forget him. He's also made it a mission to hold back Punk before & his streak was made to look more important than the WWE title by giving him & HHH a ****load of promo time

Even when they do have great main event programs its been snuffed out by old names. Punk vs Hardy wasn't dragged down by Cena. It wasn't Cena that refused to personally put Jeff Hardy over. It wasn't Cena that Edge didn't want to work with

Preaching to the choir on this one. I had something against HHH b4 it was "cool" to. I've disliked him since b4 those rehab videos. I hate that U2 song now because of him. I blame him & the way he was booked for most of the problems in WWE now.

If Rock hadn't been there MAYBE a current guy like Punk could have been in the main event.

That's one bigass MAYBE. Rock was there for WM, tho. That's it. He's long gone & Punk still ain't main eventing. Rock's obviously NOT the problem. They don't seem to want Punk in the main event regardless of Rock being there or not. Was Punk even in the co-main event @WM?

And now there is talk AGAIN of Rock vs Brock main eventing Mania. That has nothing to do with John Cena.

All the boasting and ass kissing of the Rock by certain fans and how necessary he was main eventing Mania is proving to be less and less accurate every damn month. The numbers don't lie despite certain people counting their chickens before they were hatched.

As for Cena going over Rock and its affect over the future...nobody knows exactly what COULD have happened if he did but Cena never even got the chance. They didn't even take the risk. The same risks they were willing to take in 1996 forward.

Love or hate Cena he has been the top draw THERE week after week. They need to make new stars but they'd rather give an extra spot at the top shows to old ones and its not just the problem if saying Cena is more important but guys like Rock too. Except the difference is Cena is a consistently present draw.

John Cena was willing to do more for CM Punk than Rock was for anyone else recently. It was Cenas damn idea to put Punk over in the first place.

Cena v Rock was also Cena's idea. WM numbers were higher w/Rock than w/out him. Even if by a "fraction". I'm glad Cena lost. You ain't. I doubt either one of us is going to change their mind on the subject.

Besides Cena theres almost no on left in WWE to give the rub in the way thats needed and instead of jobbing him to Rock they should have been jobbing him to someone else. Would have meant a lot more

That I can agree with. That's the only other outcome I would have been willing to accept.

 

[Wheels]

Hudson is not even a big name actress

"cough' Dreamgirls "cough" Academy Award "cough"

 

[TX85]

Still B celeb

 

[Dr. Evil]

"cough' Dreamgirls "cough" Academy Award "cough"

Until she's nominated again, she's a one hit wonder as an Oscar Winner.

Also, I knew that the WWE Network wasn't going to launch this year. It may not launch at all.

 

[Wheels]

Still B celeb

That's irrelevant. A B-list celeb still has more mainstream credibility than WWE does. Vince wants to be accepted and doesn't understand that wrestling will always be seen as low brow by others in the entertainment industry.

 

[Slushy]

Expect Otunga to get pushed to the moon as soon as he officially become Mr. Hudson

About as lame and pointless as Rock beating Cena. How is Rock beating Cena in the first try in his first singles match in EIGHT years not less "pointless?" As of now Rock winning didnt mean sh**. It was a weak main event considering the builddup.

Because jobbing one of your most popular Superstars (Hell, the most successful WWE Superstar) in his hometown in the main event of Wrestlemania in his return singles match to a guy the majority of fans have booed out of the building for the past 7 years would've been FU**ING ******ED!

Keep in mind, they had John Cena be pinned on PPV by John Laurinaitis afterwards. Again, they had John Cena be pinned on PPV by John LAURINAITIS afterwards!!!

So fu** that! I'm glad The Rock won. He deserved it.

 

[Wheels]

Does anyone else find it weird that 10 years ago on 6/27 Cena debuted, AND CM Punk also cut his famous shoot on 6/27 1 year ago?

 

[TheNextNolan22]

David Otunga still sucks in the ring.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Does anyone else find it weird that 10 years ago on 6/27 Cena debuted, AND CM Punk also cut his famous shoot on 6/27 1 year ago?

Yeah, it is kind of weird. I still remember that promo like it was yesterday and that jump started The Summer Of Punk II.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The WM number was UP from recent years right? Those kids have been seeing Cena win quite enough. lol they learned a life lesson that night. Cena winning would have been more pointless because he wasn't gonna get any more over than he already is by winning yet again. People who like him would still like him & people who hate him would have even more reason to. @least with a losing but good effort people who don't like him can say he did his job w/out ego like he always does on those extremely rare occasions when he doesn't look like Superman. Him winning would have just been the same old ****. What's the point in that?

No the number is no bigger than last year and not as big as 23. Cena is the franchise of the WWE, you don't have your franchise lose to a guy who wont be back to wrestle for another year, maybe not at all.

Shawn was asked who he feels has potential to be a big Superstar in WWE. He says he watches little WWE these days but has always liked Dolph Ziggler. Shawn also called CM Punk a nice guy and said Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam "should be good."

Well no surprise that HBK likes Dolph.

- There continues to be a lot of praise within TNA for World Heavyweight Champion Bobby Roode.

One person noted that while Austin Aries is a polarizing figure in the company - loved by those in charged, liked personally by a lot of the talents but also disliked by many and also a person that some people don't like having matches with for various reasons - Roode is the opposite in that all of the wrestlers not only like him personally but they love working with him in the ring. The TNA writing team is also high on Roode, particularly head writer Bruce Prichard.

I'd be interested in more details regarding the Aries comments, especially those from those that don't like having matches with him. Not surprised at the praise for Roode, he has been class as champion, his performances are always top drawer and everyone looks good in there with him if they want to work, plus he's as safe as Bret.

Partial source: F4Wonline.com

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter is reporting the angle where three masked men attacked Sting two weeks ago on Impact is a way to get Sting off television.

TNA needed a way to get Sting off television without people asking why he isn't going to be involved in the Bound For Glory series.

As of now, TNA doesn't know who they are going to have be revealed as the three men. It is expected the storyline will be put on hold for a little bit.

Because jobbing one of your most popular Superstars (Hell, the most successful WWE Superstar) in his hometown in the main event of Wrestlemania in his return singles match to a guy the majority of fans have booed out of the building for the past 7 years would've been FU**ING ******ED!

Keep in mind, they had John Cena be pinned on PPV by John Laurinaitis afterwards. Again, they had John Cena be pinned on PPV by John LAURINAITIS afterwards!!!

So fu** that! I'm glad The Rock won. He deserved it.

He didn't deserve anything, he's not the one busting his ass night after night, he never laid the table, Austin laid it for him, and he gave **** all back, not to mention he didn't raise the ratings or the buyrates and ****ed off to his B movies directly after he'd gotten a fat cheque for a phoned in match that stroked his ego.

******ed is jobbing out your top draw to a guy who no longer works in the business and hasn't done anything for the business since he came back no matter how much him and his b movies were rammed down everyone's throats.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I'm more of a Rock fan, but I was rooting for Cena at Mania. But that finishing sequence was so well done. If there was anyway to make Rock go over, that was the way to go.

 

[brainchild81]

Rock's films weren't rammed down anyone's throats. The ones that made money did so because people wanted to see them, unlike Cena's films

Cena lost, let's get over it. I'm sure the kids already have.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I may be in the minority, but I would love to see Daniel Bryan being booked on one of the late night talk shows, only to hear the audience say "yes! yes! yes!"

 

[Hunter Rider]

Rock's films weren't rammed down anyone's throats. The ones that made money did so because people wanted to see them, unlike Cena's films

Cena lost, let's get over it. I'm sure the kids already have.

Yes they were, "The star of Fast Five" He wasn't the star, he was the add on to a ready made franchise and his latest attempt at a blockbuster in GI Joe which was also shoved out there, is currently doing reshoots so they can have less Rock and more Channing Tatum. His other movies are B movie junk that WWE tried to pretend made him some huge top level movie star.

I never brought Cena vs Rock up, the buyrate simply proved he didn't draw anything like he was expected to given the hoopla.

 

[Metallo]

& Undertaker. Don't forget him. He's also made it a mission to hold back Punk before & his streak was made to look more important than the WWE title by giving him & HHH a ****load of promo timePreaching to the choir on this one.

But at least Taker and HHH have been there instead of waltzing back in after a 7 year layoff, getting a win, then disappearing. And they saved the show from the mediocre main event of Rock vs Cena.

I had something against HHH b4 it was "cool" to. I've disliked him since b4 those rehab videos. I hate that U2 song now because of him. I blame him & the way he was booked for most of the problems in WWE now. That's one bigass MAYBE. Rock was there for WM, tho. That's it. He's long gone & Punk still ain't main eventing. Rock's obviously NOT the problem. They don't seem to want Punk in the main event regardless of Rock being there or not. Was Punk even in the co-main event @WM

Its probably got something to do with the company continuing to rely on the past instead of the present. Rocks part of the same problem as HHH. Its the same symptom of whats wrong with WWE and the fact that they are talking about him and Lesnar main eventing next year or Rock challenging for the title is even more proof of that.

And no its not much of a maybe when they couldn't get another part timer to main event against Cena.

Cena v Rock was also Cena's idea. WM numbers were higher w/Rock than w/out him. Even if by a "fraction". I'm glad Cena lost. You ain't. I doubt either one of us is going to change their mind on the subject.

Aaaand you missed the point. They could have gotten the same number they have now with a well put together and promoted show. with or without him its looking like a less and less impressive investment.

Wasn't worth the millions they spent and all the hype they played up when the match didn't deliver and Rock didn't draw nearly as much as they hoped. The second PPV where that happened and he headlined.

 

[Metallo]

Because jobbing one of your most popular Superstars (Hell, the most successful WWE Superstar) in his hometown in the main event of Wrestlemania in his return singles match to a guy the majority of fans have booed out of the building for the past 7 years would've been FU**ING ******ED!

Wouldn't be the first time they jobbed one of their most popular superstars in their hometown and Cena is also one of their most popular guys. Since when is HALF (at best) a majority? Get the math right or show me some actual numbers.

Hogan drew on a level Rock could only do with a f***ing crayon and he did the job ten years earlier. This "he's the most popular superstar argument" is a steaming load. It doesn't fly.

Keep in mind, they had John Cena be pinned on PPV by John Laurinaitis afterwards. Again, they had John Cena be pinned on PPV by John LAURINAITIS afterwards!!!

So fu** that! I'm glad The Rock won. He deserved it.

Deserved it how? For being gone for seven years and delivering two mediocre matches in 2 years that didn't live up to the hype? F*** that. He "deserved" it about as much as every other part timer coming in for a shot over the current top guy. He didn't "deserve" anything. The WM buyrate keeps dropping like f***ing stone. If he "deserved it" the buyrate would have been a LOT bigger.

 

[brainchild81]

It IS still a big maybe considering he's STILL not in the M.E. nowadays and wasn't even in the co-ME then. They coulda just found another way to keep Punk out, like they did @Dumbass Ambulance Match. They might've had another Cena/Kane match.

Tara Responds To Kenn Doane Alleging She Was John Cena's 'Diva Road Girlfriend'

By Daniel Pena
Jun 27, 2012 - 6:24:02 PM

Kenn Doane, who labored as Kenny of the Spirit Squad and Kenny Dykstra for WWE from 2006 to 2008, blames an affair between John Cena and Mickie James for ruining his relationship with the former Diva and costing him his job. While discussing the matter to SEScoops.com, Doane revealed that Cena was having a second affair with a then-WWE Diva who was married to a man not involved with the professional wrestling industry.

Though Doane did not specify the Diva in question, a clue he gave singled out Lisa Marie Varon, formerly known as Victoria in WWE and now known as Tara in TNA Wrestling, as Cena's 'Diva road girlfriend.' Doane said the Diva was transferred from Raw to SmackDown in 2007 like him after being dumped by Cena. Two Divas transferred from Raw to SmackDown in the 2007 WWE Draft—and the entire year—Torrie Wilson and Varon. Wilson was in the process of divorcing Billy Kidman. Varon has been married to a man not affiliated with the professional wrestling industry since 1998, matching Doane's claim.

Varon addressed Doane's allegation in an interview with F4WOnline.com. She says, "KD said a Diva married to someone not in the business who moved from RAW to Smackdown in 2007 was sleeping with John Cena. Considering I had nothing to do with why he was whining on the internet, he sure gave enough details about someone he claims he wasn't trying to involve. I was the only Diva married to someone not in the business who moved from RAW to Smackdown in 2007.

"I want to address this both professionally and personally. Professionally, you hear people talk about 'backstage politics' in wrestling. I'll tell you what that means to me. Backstage politics is not some kind of psychological maneuvering. You work and travel with your wrestling co-workers more than you want to work and travel with anyone. The people who complain about backstage politics generally don't have the ability to respectfully interact with others.

"I treat everyone with respect. Everyone. Ask the caterers, building security, wrestlers, executives, crew, fans, anyone, who I don't treat with respect and they would be at a loss for words. And because you spend so much time with these people, you know a lot about the people who you travel with and work closely with. I found that the best way to not make waves is to keep my eyes and ears open, and my mouth shut when it comes to other people's business.

"The people who complain that they were the victim of backstage politics often either don't show people respect, or bud into other people's business.

"On a personal level, what KD said was mostly false, although there was a little truth.

"I have been with my husband for 20 years. He's the best guy in the world. But like any 20 year relationship, we have some good times and we have had some bad times. And anyone who I traveled with knows that. Because you learn intimate details about each other whether you want to or not.

"We have separated a few times. One of those times that we were separated, I dated John for about a month. It was not in 2006 or 2007. It was in 2002. It was when we were both in Louisville. I was married but separated. John was single. I was never his 'road girlfriend'. I know that when we were separated, my husband also dated a couple girls. That's what happens when you are separated.

"In 2002, it was common knowledge that John and I dated. It fed the rumor mills for people who have nothing better to do than gossip like old ladies. So for KD to use bits of information that he was only able to pick up because he was allowed in the inner circle of WWE, and smear me, when I only treated KD with respect, over an incident that he is upset about from 5 years ago, tells me that he didn't learn anything about 'backstage politics' and how it relates to being a decent human being.

"Moving forward, I'm a glass-is-half-full kind of girl. Only my glass isn't half full. My glass is 99% full. I am blessed. And I'm done discussing the 1%."

Wonder if she hooked up w/Carlito or was just friends w/him. I remember her asking me & some friends where he was a few years back when I snuck into a show

 

[Metallo]

Rock's films weren't rammed down anyone's throats. The ones that made money did so because people wanted to see them, unlike Cena's films

Cena lost, let's get over it. I'm sure the kids already have.

Like the studio got over GI Joe? Yeah Rock REALLY made that great.

And you're right Southland Tales wasn't rammed down anyones throat because nobody gave enough of a damn to even see it.
The Rock films that made the most money were sequels to the ones that were already successful that he wasn't even in. Try again.

The kids are over it cause Rocks win is an afterthought and his performance not particularly memorable. He got upstaged by two guys in their mid 40s for f***s sake.

It IS still a big maybe considering he's STILL not in the M.E. nowadays and wasn't even in the co-ME then. They coulda just found another way to keep Punk out, like they did @Dumbass Ambulance Match. They might've had another Cena/Kane match.

Because there are yet again two part timers hogging the spotlight going into Sumerslam. Like I said symptom of the same problem with the Rock.

Without Rock back Punk had proved to be the one guy who could dramatically increase a buyrate for a B PPV when Rock couldn't even do it as well for an A PPV. Not as big a "maybe" as you might think.

Wonder if she hooked up w/Carlito or was just friends w/him. I remember her asking me & some friends where he was a few years back when I snuck into a show

Quite an assumption to make from one comment. Considering there has never been any kind of rumor about it I doubt it. She's not a hoebag like some of the divas.

 

[brainchild81]

Nah. Still doesn't fly. They've put Johnny Ace, Kane & big show in Main events over him. Him being ****ed over isn't the Rock's fault, it's management's. Didn't Faster make more money than 12 rounds?

That's a question, not an assumption.

& hoebag is quite the assumption. How do you know that these young women ain't just lookin' for love in all the wrong places? You're sexist, man.

 

[Metallo]

When you made the leap to wondering if she might be interested in Carlito because she merely asked abouty him you are assuming.

Nah. Still doesn't fly. They've put Johnny Ace, Kane & big show in Main events over him.

Thats got no bearing on what might have happened if the year long booking plans before Mania had changed so it flys just fine. Plans gave changed all the time and forced them to give someone a shot at the top.

Besides you seem to be forgetting that if he had faced Cena it would increase chances that he would likely have been in the Main event. They are discussing that NOW so you're wrong there.

Didn't Faster make more money than 12 rounds?

Most people didn't give a damn about either. And Faster stil f***ing underperformed. No way to tell which one was more sucessful because I don't know what 12 Rounds cost.

 

[brainchild81]

Nah. You'd be right if I assumed she was, but I didn't. There's a big difference between a question & an assumption.

 

[Metallo]

You assumed in your question. Wondering if she might be interested in Carlito? Why carlito? because she asked about him? People aske where other people are all the time. Thats a random thing to think about just because of one past incident.

The fact that you are even WONDERING about her having another relashionship with someone else in the business with so little evidence is making an assumption about her character and situation when theres not even enough info to ask the question.