Ziggler gets a Wrestling Thread...It's About Damn Time!!!

[Benstamania]

Young has too much knee pad.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Did someone say tag team match?

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[Hunter Rider]

Good opening promo segment but it was also like a worst dressed vs I lost my pants contest.

Crazy thought, anyone think they'd consider Daniel Bryan vs John Cena at Wrestlemania?

I was gonna say the other day amidst the Cena hate, I really want a Cena vs Bryan feud down the line, Cena always lifts his game when in with great workers.

 

[Metallo]

Having integrity is fine and dandy, but sometimes it isn't worth it. Such as this case where instead of being treated like a legend that he should be given his accomplishments, Bruno insists on remaining in obscurity

The guy hits the cons so he's not exactly in obscurity. And he's been introduced to a new audience by way of other media for anyone who is interested.

Integrity is worth it to some of the people who actually respect the guy. And in the end if he joins the HOF he just gives Vince what he wants. Like I said Vince always wants to win. Thats what its about. Unlike some he doesn't need the money to sell out if he feels thats what it is.

And his peers have already shown their respect for his accomplishments. Peers who know what it takes to make it in the business more than a billionaire who bought out his daddy after failing at everything else he's tried.

(Perfectly said) because now the new generation of fans can at least be introduced to those greats of the past.

For example, if it wasn't for the Hall of Fame, I wouldn't have known too much about Nick Bockwinkel, Gordon Solie, The original Sheik, Bill Watts, Antonio Inoki, or Mil Mascaras. Having seen the tribute video packages and their speeches, it made me feel better because now I had an idea of what kind of person they were and at least what their background was.

Say what you will about Vince, but at least he's willing to forgive (for the most part anyway) like he did for Billy Graham who deserved to be honored despite his mistakes.

Since Bruno is content with his decision, I'll just wait for Morales, Backlund, and Savage to be inducted. They're more deserving anyway.

Except the problem is you yourself know who Bruno is and you say you don't care. Brunos work has already been released on TONS of WWE dvd's so he's been introduced to new generations that way. And that kind of saturation has been going on for years. Makes your claim null and void. The internet also means the flow of information isn't only in control of the WWE so anyone who wants to learn more about Bruno Sammartino can.

Vince doesn't forgive for forgivness sake. He does it because he sees a chance to make money. He didn't "forgive" Savage until after he was dead and Vince had a chance to bring him up after he was gone. Before Savages name was barely mentioned in WWE. Now Vince has a stronger chance to frame certain things the way he wants to .

 

[LOBO3315a]

Otunga's lost all his oil!!!! Someone go get a barrel, STAT!!!!!

 

[The Apocalypse]

HAHA he's just getting jumped by faces. Poor guy.

 

[The Sage]

Mmm...Cameron.

 

[LOBO3315a]

The only person oilier than Otunga is Alberto Burrito!

Thank you! I'm here all week, try the veal!

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

I wonder if it's going to be a returning Mysterio.

 

[SuperBatman]

I bet it's Rey Mysterio his suspension was over last Monday

 

[Superark]

TNA is more relaxed because there is a lot less stress in general and not nearly as much financial gain on the line. With big money comes high pressure and greater tension.

The last part is an odd thing for a guy raised in the business to say. The code of respecting the vets goes way back to the territory days, hell even when Hogan and Macho were the top 2 stars in the business they paid their respects to Andre at each show.

The stress from the workers is said to be due to Vince creating an atmosphere where the guys feel like they are walking on eggshells. His moodswings along with some of the politics and touchy veterans makes the locker room uneasy.

Dixie may not know squat about wrestling, but one thing she is praised for is encouraging a healthy work environment and making sure the crew is tension free. It's the difference between Dixie and Vince.

I think Vince sets the precedent in WWE in the mindset.

I misquoted Domino. He did not mention the handshakes, rather he said guys gets worried because if they might walk by a veteran and the vets will get extremely pissed if the guy didn't stop to say hello. It seemed to me based on what Domino said is that the vets are much more uptight than they are in TNA.

Based on all the reports I've heard and interviews I've listened to from wrestlers, the guys in WWE work not to get fired, whereas the guys in TNA work hard to get everything right and do their best.

Domino also made mention how TNA management makes the roster much more a part of the creative process and they are allowed input and freedom.

This is nothing new that I've heard. Its just interesting to hear it once again from a guy who has been backstage in both companies. It seems there are several differences that lead to the backstage environments.

Like I said, they all seem to boil down to Vince and Dixie, along with the fact the guys in TNA are more motivated to help the company grow

 

[The Sage]

Loved that Bourne Legacy tv spot.


Guess they're going to get Sheamus/Del Rio out of their system at MITB.

 

[Benstamania]

Booyaka... Booyaka... /Shatner.

 

[Metallo]

Guess they're going to get Sheamus/Del Rio out of their system at MITB.

They'll probably getting it out it rectally.

 

[Benstamania]

I don't know a kick of Spanish... But... Was that an ******* chant?

 

[SuperBatman]

So Sin Cara is a Surprise?

 

[The Apocalypse]

What are they chanting

 

[cabel]

So Sin Cara is a Surprise?

Sin Cara sure looked surprised.

 

[Metallo]

Did they just feed Cara to Del Rio in an uber quick beatdown? Sin Caras stock has really dropped.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Burrito WITH THE ARM BAR!!! Burrito WITH THE ARM BAR!!! Burrito WITH THE ARM BAR!!!

 

[Benstamania]

Heyman looks creepy for his profession. Haha.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The stress from the workers is said to be due to Vince creating an atmosphere where the guys feel like they are walking on eggshells. His moodswings along with some of the politics and touchy veterans makes the locker room uneasy.

Dixie may not know squat about wrestling, but one thing she is praised for is encouraging a healthy work environment and making sure the crew is tension free. It's the difference between Dixie and Vince.

I think Vince sets the precedent in WWE in the mindset.

I misquoted Domino. He did not mention the handshakes, rather he said guys gets worried because if they might walk by a veteran and the vets will get extremely pissed if the guy didn't stop to say hello. It seemed to me based on what Domino said is that the vets are much more uptight than they are in TNA.

Based on all the reports I've heard and interviews I've listened to from wrestlers, the guys in WWE work not to get fired, whereas the guys in TNA work hard to get everything right and do their best.

Domino also made mention how TNA management makes the roster much more a part of the creative process and they are allowed input and freedom.

This is nothing new that I've heard. Its just interesting to hear it once again from a guy who has been backstage in both companies. It seems there are several differences that lead to the backstage environments.

Like I said, they all seem to boil down to Vince and Dixie, along with the fact the guys in TNA are more motivated to help the company grow

Vince certainly doesn't help I am sure, but the stakes in WWE ilike the difference between acting indies and acting in a movie with a $150M budget.

Everyone is demanded more of and it's a much larger ship to run than TNA with pressure to deliver. With TNA their bar is low so the guys are not in a position where they have to draw to a certain level or they will be replaced by someone else.

It's an interesting contrast between the companies but I think a lot also comes purely down to where the bar is for success in them respectively.

 

[Hunter Rider]

AJ is so awesome, I knew that rose was gonna get it!

 

[LOBO3315a]

Paul Heyman looks like he's CGI

 

[Slushy]

Integrity is worth it to some of the people who actually respect the guy. And in the end if he joins the HOF he just gives Vince what he wants. Like I said Vince always wants to win. Thats what its about.

Fair enough, but let's take the Ultimate Warrior for example. I think he's a fu**ing assh*le who deserved every bit of spite on that Self-Destruction DVD. However, I won't deny he had a unique character that got over to the point where he would be a big draw enough to carry the company as best as he could following the footsteps of Hulk Hogan.

Now, Ultimate Warrior's reason is the same. Integrity and all that since he was disrespected and Vince downplaying his success (the only part of the DVD that I disagreed with).

However, Vince was willing to let bygones be bygones and offered Warrior the headline spot of the HOF 2010 class because he knows Warrior was a big draw. Warrior should've taken it. Now, people may think Vince would've won by Warror having to swallow his pride, but if anything, Warrior would've won by accepting since it would've shown that WWE was wrong about him and essentially it would've been Warrior giving the finger right back since there was a time where Vince didn't want him in the Hall of Fame.

Except the problem is you yourself know who Bruno is and you say you don't care. Brunos work has already been released on TONS of WWE dvd's so he's been introduced to new generations that way. And that kind of saturation has been going on for years. Makes your claim null and void. The internet also means the flow of information isn't only in control of the WWE so anyone who wants to learn more about Bruno Sammartino can.

Yeah, but when you have the attention of a nationwide audience because of promotion, its different. Hell, Bruno's name would be trending on Twitter right now if he wasn't being stubborn. He's only robbing himself of more potential fans thanks to the much added exposure. He wants the respect, he needs to give some in return. It takes two to tango. Even Bret Hart knew when to quit and it was for the better.

He didn't "forgive" Savage until after he was dead and Vince had a chance to bring him up after he was gone. Before Savages name was barely mentioned in WWE. Now Vince has a stronger chance to frame certain things the way he wants to now.

Vince had a right to be angry since Savage did fu** over him by taking the Slim Jim contract with him to WCW, costing Vince MILLIONS of dollars. However, even HHH and others were persistent enough to get Vince to slowly ease off the hate for Savage even before his untimely death.

However, Gene Okerlund said Savage was offered the HOF induction, but Savage turned it down because according to The Genius, Savage's request is that him and his family to be inducted all at once. I don't think that's unreasonable.