Ziggler gets a Wrestling Thread...It's About Damn Time!!!

[Benstamania]

If Punk ended a relationship.. OK.. But being a father myself I would have been upset if he acted like that with my son present.

If it's kids... Take a breath, suck it up and say "I will sign a pic for you buddy after I eat, ok?"

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I like it because if you want to go there, you don't have to get yourself all cleaned up like you do for Denny's.

Or put on your Sunday best like you were going to Olive Garden.

 

[Slushy]

Now I'm going to sound ignorant but what exactly is an IHOP?

It's like Denny's, but way better.

I think Hardy is a veteran in the sense that he made it in WWE well before Punk ever did, so he was seen as a veteran of the company.

Agreed. Jeff and Matt joined WWE in 1999.
　

But Hogan is often described as someone who despite his politics, was cool with the boys in how treated everyone. I haven't read or heard too many stories of guys who said Hulk was a dick personally. He is often described as a laid back dude. The way he does business and wants to go over is another matter. Goldberg for example is the same way. Lance Storm has told numerous stories of disagreeing with Goldberg on how to do business, but loving Goldberg the person and thinking he was a great guy to be around. Hogan is described the same way.

From my own personal experience, Hogan was a cool guy to meet. Michaels was not.

Now from what I understand, Hogan's not approachable backstage if you're not in his circle. In Bret Hart's book, he greeted Hogan once (who was talking to Beefcake backstage) and was ignored by him. In Jericho's book, he was backstage in the catering area and saw Hogan eating by himself at a table so Y2J grabbed some food and sat at his table with Hogan giving him the "What the fu** do you thinking you're doing?" look.

As for Goldberg, Michael Hayes described him as a great guy, but when it comes time for business, all that goes out the window. Unfortunately, the politics and entitlement attitude Hogan and Nash taught Bill still remain with him to this day.

It was reported years ago the reason Austin/Hogan did not happen at WM 18 was because Austin did not want to work with Hogan. Then years later it was reported Austin thought that's the match they should have gone with, not Hogan vs Rock. So what's the truth? How much of that is Austin looking back and seeing how fondly Rock vs Hogan is looked at? Who knows!

It's Austin's fault. He didn't want to work with Hogan because of what happened to him in WCW where he lost his push (it was planned for him to feud with Ric Flair for the WCW title) and got fired (Austin thinks Hogan is partly to blame) after Hogan came. He also doesn't like Hogan's politics and think he's an assh*le.

With that said, I think it was Austin saving face on his documentary so he make fans in general feel better about why the biggest dream match of all time didn't happen and using creative as a scapegoat instead of admitting it was a personal grudge that prevented it from taking place.

 

[TheFuture]

I have no problem with Stone Cold refusing to work with Hogan over what happened in WCW but it's a shame it didn't happen at WM18 as I think Stone Cold would have got the win with little resistance from Hogan. The Rock was lucky that he got in there first, when Hogan was still willing to job as he didn't realise Hulkamania was still alive and well brother.

 

[venom892]

The reason Hogan jobbed in 2002 to Rock and others was because he had no creative control clause.He was willing as much as he had to.

 

[Wheels]

It all worked out for Austin anyway. If he was never fired from WCW then Austin would have never became "The Extreme Superstar" in ECW that got noticed by WWE. Austin's ECW character was the forerunner for Stone Cold.

 

[Slushy]

Exactly. That's why I can't understand Austin not letting it go. That will be my eternal gripe with wrestling: personal feelings trumps good business. Imagine if Austin Vs. Hogan did headline a WM? That would've been incredible given the hot crowd. Same with Maivia Vs. Michaels.

Re: Remaining MITB Spot Guesses

RAW (former WWE Champions only)

Miz
Mysterio
Foley?
???

Smackdown

Rhodes (hopefully)
Barrett
Kingston (although Ziggler would also be acceptable)

 

[Metallo]

Then there is Hogan going into business for himself after Summerslam 05. I think it was at Homecoming. Hogan never should have teased a match with Austin like that without it being discussed with everyone. Hogan damaged the chances for the match happening even more by doing that. Vince may have known Hogan would do it but it should have been discussed with Austin.

If Punk ended a relationship.. OK.. But being a father myself I would have been upset if he acted like that with my son present.

If it's kids... Take a breath, suck it up and say "I will sign a pic for you buddy after I eat, ok?"

Thats also how I feel about it. I understood Punks feelings because these people aren't our personal entertainment figures all the time. They are people. But he handled the situation with an excess amount of a**holery.

 

[The Sage]

In hindsight, I'm glad we got Rock/Hogan instead of Austin/Hogan. Rock was in his prime and sold Hogan's offense. Austin was becoming limited in the ring at that point and I don't think he would've done a good job at doing that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

International
House
Of
Pancakes

It's basically a restaurant.

Ah I see, thanks!

Hart and Austin are two guys who have always been bitter about Hogan not putting them over and been ****ting on him for years. It was reported years ago the reason Austin/Hogan did not happen at WM 18 was because Austin did not want to work with Hogan. Then years later it was reported Austin thought that's the match they should have gone with, not Hogan vs Rock. So what's the truth? How much of that is Austin looking back and seeing how fondly Rock vs Hogan is looked at? Who knows!

Austin wasn't bitter at Hogan, he was just still pissed that Hogan had him fired via phone or fax back in WCW, because to cement his power base Hogan was getting rid of guys he didn't know and getting in guys like Boss Man, Tenta, Beefcake, Nastys etc..Basically his buddies.

Austin is another guy who has played politics. He refused to work a program with Jeff Jarrett, who was extremely over at the time in 1999, becuase he felt like he was held down in the promotion run by Jeff and his father. Jarrett might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he has always been described as a professional.

Is this definitely the reason? I'd never heard a concrete explanation over the Austin/Jarrett stuff in 99. One rumour was it was related to an issue JR had with Jerry Jarrett.

I'm not saying it's right, because it's not, but Hogan can at least say he has a reason for his ego given what he's done in the business. Same for Austin. Even Hart (to a degree). Punk cannot.

I'm not sure it's ego based in the sense that it's about accomplishment. Punk is strong willed and outspoken, he wont view someone as better based on monetary success. He's unique in the way he has made in WWE pretty much on his own terms.

I think Hardy is a veteran in the sense that he made it in WWE well before Punk ever did, so he was seen as a veteran of the company.

You are spot-on in everything you just said about WWE.

IHOP serves a bit of everything, but they specialize in breakfast food that you can order 24 hrs a day. It's awesome cheap comfort food. I spent many of drunk college nights there That was years ago of course before I got my head on straight

In that sense I guess he was, but age=wise and time spent paying dues they were closer to being the same just Punk paid his elsewhere.

Superark: The College years! Get those memoirs written man.

- WWE officials are high on AJ Lee and feel that she is something like the next big thing.

Weird way to phrase it.

 

[The Sage]

Dang look at Nattie!

Oh come on, they covered Eve up!

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

Is this the jobbers only party?

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

I'll admit, Kane starting the grill was pretty cool. One of those stupid-awesome things you'll only see in wrestling.

 

[The Sage]

Was Jarrett really that over in 1999? Even at that time, he still struck me more as midcarder. I've never seen him as more than that. It felt odd to see him as world champion in WCW's final year.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Dang look at Nattie!

Oh come on, they covered Eve up!

She's almost dressed! t:

That is a crime.

 

[The Sage]

Alright, this Del Rio segment is funny. Finally something new from him. "You! Where are your papers?"

 

[The Batman]

True, I just find it funny when one jerk basically calls another guy a jerk, even if it is the truth.

This all day. After all the things we've heard about Punk's *****iness, its quite funny to hear him bash other people for their character flaws or complain about wrestlers ignoring him when he does the same thing. At the end of the day, no matter the justification, Punk icomes off as a hypocrite in my eyes. Dont hate the guy, but he is hypocrital.

I feel the same way about Orton and Cena when they bashed The Rock along with Punk.

 

[The Sage]

Darn them, as soon as I heard Khali's music, I was going to go to the kitchen, then I saw who was coming out with him.

Layla.

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

Layla-Oh mah goodness!

 

[Darkness Falls]

C'Mon CODY!!!

 

[MMMMM...Pancakes]

Mick Foley: WCW killer.

 

[Hunter Rider]

This all day. After all the things we've heard about Punk's *****iness, its quite funny to hear him bash other people for their character flaws or complain about wrestlers ignoring him when he does the same thing. At the end of the day, no matter the justification, Punk icomes off as a hypocrite in my eyes. Dont hate the guy, but he is hypocrital.

I feel the same way about Orton and Cena when they bashed The Rock along with Punk.

In that case surely Rock is also a hyocrite? In the case of Punk and Orton I think the one difference is that unlike the others neither have ever claimed to be great guys that were nice to everyone, to be a hypocrite you have do one thing and say another.

 

[OnTheAir]

Aw, man...I completely forgot The Great American Bashdown was tonight!

 

[The Batman]

In that case surely Rock is also a hyocrite? In the case of Punk and Orton I think the one difference is that unlike the others neither have ever claimed to be great guys that were nice to everyone, to be a hypocrite you have do one thing and say another.

You can say whatever you want about Rock, I just find it funny that Cena/Punk/Orton wanna bash the Rock when they're just as bad in their own ways.


And I think its hypocritical to complain about getting ignored by guys while ignoring others. If Punk never claimed to be nice to everyone, he shouldnt complain when others arent nice to him.

 

[Hunter Rider]

You can say whatever you want about Rock, I just find it funny that Cena/Punk/Orton wanna bash the Rock when they're just as bad in their own ways.


And I think its hypocritical to complain about getting ignored by guys while ignoring others. If Punk never claimed to be nice to everyone, he shouldnt complain when others arent nice to him.

Punk and Orton you can make cases for if you wish, but what has Cena done?

He didn't complain though, he just said they were phonies in presenting one image and then acting a different way to the boys. Punk is pretty much what you see is what you get.

Also he wasn't complaing about The Rock ignoring him, he was saying The Rock was acting like a diva *****e to the whole locker room, like he was too good to be there. The Hogan thing is from a Austin DVD where the various guys were telling Austin stories, it wasn't that he was upset with Hogan, he was pointing out the difference between Hogan and Austin.