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Zoe Kravitz IS Catwoman

Yikes, big yikes.
As if it wasn't enough with Nolan's weak female characters, I forgot about his lack of diversity. I hope this goes viral

More good karma for this movie.
is there something wrong about not wanting to cast a black actress for a role they see fitting a white actress more? But also Luscius Fox is a prominent figure in those movies. And I don't see how Catwoman was a weak character.
 
Yikes, big yikes.
As if it wasn't enough with Nolan's weak female characters, I forgot about his lack of diversity. I hope this goes viral

More good karma for this movie.
If it was a small role and the one I'm thinking of I'd say Nolan wasn't even aware of it and was left to the casting director.

I'm not sure what you're getting at in regards the lack of diversity as Nolan has cast multiple ethnicities and both genders in prominent roles. You can perhaps question the writing of some of his characters but not the diversity itself.

Indeed, it's a ludicrous suggestion given one of his new leads is black.
 
If it was a small role and the one I'm thinking of I'd say Nolan wasn't even aware of it and was left to the casting director.

I'm not sure what you're getting at in regards the lack of diversity as Nolan has cast multiple ethnicities and both genders in prominent roles. You can perhaps question the writing of some of his characters but not the diversity itself.

Indeed, it's a ludicrous suggestion given one of his new leads is black.
Lucius Fox is arguably one of the most important characters in The Dark Knight trilogy so I don't know why someone would say that Nolan is against diversity as John David Washington is a lead for Nolan's upcoming movie. Also Kravitz herself didn't say it was Nolan himself who told her she's too "urban", she made it seem like it was someone that's involve in the casting process who got in the way of her auditioning for a part.
 
How? Anne Hathaway is without a doubt the stronger actress between the two.

True but it didnt help at all due to a script that didnt use her talent more fully.
 
Love this casting and I feel proud of myself because I might have been one of the first people here to suggest her months ago (I probably wasn't, but I'll take credit for it anyway). She's a great actress and yeah, I do remember the TDKR thing, so it's good to see her getting the last laugh. This might be the casting I'm most excited about so far!
 
If it was a small role and the one I'm thinking of I'd say Nolan wasn't even aware of it and was left to the casting director.

I'm not sure what you're getting at in regards the lack of diversity as Nolan has cast multiple ethnicities and both genders in prominent roles. You can perhaps question the writing of some of his characters but not the diversity itself.

Indeed, it's a ludicrous suggestion given one of his new leads is black.

Not to sidetrack this thread but this is a weak argument. Nolan, like Wes Anderson, lacks diversity when it comes to his main casts--specifically main characters. Now, I don't just mean black actors/actresses, I mean that across the board. The guy has directed 10 films to date (not counting Tenet) and Lucius Fox is the only reference one can make to a POC having a role that mattered. Keep in mind Lucius is not a main character in anyway. Outside of that, you've had Dileep as Yusuf and Ken as Saito in Inception, and David as Romilly in Interstellar. This doesn't show much inclusiveness, in my eyes, but if you want a point of reference for comparison purposes, I'd say look at how directors like Quentin Tarantino, Danny Boyle, or JJ Abrams have included POC in roles that weren't done blatantly to check off a quota.
 
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Yeah, Lucius is the ONLY person of color who has a really significant role in Nolan’s THREE Batman films. I wouldn’t even count Watanabe’s “Ra’s” because he only has about 5 minutes of screentime. I like Nolan, but just because his new film has a black actor as the lead, it doesn’t mean his casts have been even remotely diverse up until this point. That line in the Tenet trailer that “the time has come for a new protagonist” is unintentionally funny because it feels like it should be followed up with the line, “For the first time ever... Chris Nolan has a black leading man! He still probably has a dead wife though. Can’t win ‘em all!”
 
How? Anne Hathaway is without a doubt the stronger actress between the two.
I dont like Hathaway. I dont have any opinion on Zoe good or bad but at least she doesnt annoy me so Im willing to wait to see what she brings to the role
 
Also, Zoe wasn't allowed to test for that thankless Juno Temple role, not for Catwoman. Don't spin them lies into truth, tis' how we get fake news.
 
Man...nothing about this film is clicking for me. Not excited in the least.

Nothing? How come?

Yeah, Lucius is the ONLY person of color who has a really significant role in Nolan’s THREE Batman films. I wouldn’t even count Watanabe’s “Ra’s” because he only has about 5 minutes of screentime. I like Nolan, but just because his new film has a black actor as the lead, it doesn’t mean his casts have been even remotely diverse up until this point. That line in the Tenet trailer that “the time has come for a new protagonist” is unintentionally funny because it feels like it should be followed up with the line, “For the first time ever... Chris Nolan has a black leading man! He still probably has a dead wife though. Can’t win ‘em all!”

Oh come on this is just silly. Do you have any idea how foolish it sounds chastising Nolan's Batman movies (or any movies for that matter) for not having enough leading color actors? There's movie franchises out there (CBM and non CBM) with none at all. Burton's Batman movies didn't have a significant leading person of color. Raimi's Spider-Man movies don't have any significant leading roles with a colored actor either. How many of the Indiana Jones movies had a leading colored actor? Or Cameron's Terminator movies? In fact how many of Cameron's movies have leading colored actors? Has Martin Scorsese got a long line of diverse leading colored actors spanning his movies? Or the aforementioned Tim Burton? Could go on and on. They don't need to and they are not obligated to. If you're judging movies by the race of the actors rather than the talent, then your standards of quality for a good movie are complete BS.

The likes of JJ Abrams and Tarantino are not good directors because they have a more diverse racial range of actors in their movies. They're good because they cast talented actors suited to the parts they were hired for. The skin color of his actors shouldn't even come into the equation. Talent is talent. I'm not hoping Reeves is going to pepper any Batman movies he does with racial diversity just so we can say he's using colored actors. I just want good actors. That's all anyone should want.

Also, Zoe wasn't allowed to test for that thankless Juno Temple role, not for Catwoman. Don't spin them lies into truth, tis' how we get fake news.

Exactly.
 
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The fact she was seriously considered in fan castings was...surreal.

Is that because you think she's a bad actress, or that because she was in High School Musical, she must be a bad actress? I'm just wondering if she has the same taint on her that Pattinson has from those Twilight movies.
 
Nothing? How come?



Oh come on this is just embarrassing. Do you have any idea how stupid it sounds chastising Nolan's Batman movies (or any movies for that matter) for not having enough leading color actors? There's movie franchises out there (CBM and non CBM) with none at all. Burton's Batman movies didn't have a significant leading person of color. Raimi's Spider-Man movies don't have any significant leading roles with a colored actor either. How many of the Indiana Jones movies had a leading colored actor? Or Cameron's Terminator movies? In fact how many of Cameron's movies have leading colored actors? Has Martin Scorsese got a long line of diverse leading colored actors spanning his movies? Or the aforementioned Tim Burton? Could go on and on. They don't need to and they are not obligated to. If you're judging movies by the race of the actors rather than the talent, then your standards of quality for a good movie are complete BS.

The likes of JJ Abrams and Tarantino are not good directors because they have a more diverse racial range of actors in their movies. They're good because they cast talented actors suited to the parts they were hired for. The skin color of his actors shouldn't even come into the equation. Talent is talent. I'm not hoping Reeves is going to pepper any Batman movies he does with racial diversity just so we can say he's using colored actors. I just want good actors. That's all anyone should want.

Although I can’t speak for others, I wasn’t chastising Nolan’s Batman movies for not having enough leading actors of color--there weren't any to begin with--I was merely pointing out people claiming Nolan's movies are full of diversity as an argument that doesn't hold much water when you really look deeper at screen time and role substance for characters played by minorities. Bringing up other comic book movies and other directors fails to address the topic at hand. We're not lumping Nolan into the same fundamental problem with Hollywood that has plagued this genre for decades, we're looking at inspiring directors/creative minds who make it a part of their mission to tell rich stories from a number of perspectives. And often, these perspectives can be by casting minorities as main characters because it tells the audience (which isn't only white by the way) that protagonist and antagonist can be played by anyone. You mention that we should look at the talent involved instead of the race of the actors themselves which is easier said than done when most actors--especially in CBM are 90%+ white. Directors have the ability to advocate for specific actors to play certain roles, it's not only about how talented the actor is which is evident in Nolan movies as he commonly uses certain actors again and again across his filmography.

No one said Abrams or Tarantino were good directors purely because they have diverse cast, I used them as an example because similar to Nolan, each of their films are unique from the one prior but they still manage to find balances between inclusiveness and storytelling--the two aren't mutually exclusive. The rumor of Zoe being told that she appeared "too urban" for a two-minute role in TDKR speaks to the problem we're discussing. You can simply say she dodged a bullet because the role wouldn't have had any meat to begin with, but for being passed by a casting director because of how you look--obviously racially motivated--is a bigger issue altogether.
 
Although I can’t speak for others, I wasn’t chastising Nolan’s Batman movies for not having enough leading actors of color--there weren't any to begin with--I was merely pointing out people claiming Nolan's movies are full of diversity as an argument that doesn't hold much water when you really look deeper at screen time and role substance for characters played by minorities. Bringing up other comic book movies and other directors fails to address the topic at hand. We're not lumping Nolan into the same fundamental problem with Hollywood that has plagued this genre for decades, we're looking at inspiring directors/creative minds who make it a part of their mission to tell rich stories from a number of perspectives. And often, these perspectives can be by casting minorities as main characters because it tells the audience (which isn't only white by the way) that protagonist and antagonist can be played by anyone. You mention that we should look at the talent involved instead of the race of the actors themselves which is easier said than done when most actors--especially in CBM are 90%+ white. Directors have the ability to advocate for specific actors to play certain roles, it's not only about how talented the actor is which is evident in Nolan movies as he commonly uses certain actors again and again across his filmography.

No one said Abrams or Tarantino were good directors purely because they have diverse cast, I used them as an example because similar to Nolan, each of their films are unique from the one prior but they still manage to find balances between inclusiveness and storytelling--the two aren't mutually exclusive. The rumor of Zoe being told that she appeared "too urban" for a two-minute role in TDKR speaks to the problem we're discussing. You can simply say she dodged a bullet because the role wouldn't have had any meat to begin with, but for being passed by a casting director because of how you look--obviously racially motivated--is a bigger issue altogether.

Again that is a foolish illogical argument. If you're judging movies by the race of the actors, instead of the talent of the actors, then your standard for what makes a good movie is nonsense. We're not living in the 1940's. There's plenty of great respected colored actors and actresses leading movies these days that directors don't need to be casting them in main roles to let audiences know a protagonist or antagonist can be played by anyone. If people don't know that in this day and age then they are ignorant. You are wrong, it is absolutely only about how talented the actor is. That is ALL that should matter. The talent of the actor. Not their race. I don't judge Morgan Freeman differently to Heath Ledger. Neither should anyone else. They were both acting. They both did great jobs. Heath's was just more impressive. Their skin color doesn't come into the equation.

Looking at the reactions to the casting of Kravitz should tell you that. I don't see people jumping for joy because she's black. But I see several people are unimpressed with her ability as an actress. Because that is the only thing people should be concerned with. She can't do a better or worse job just because she's black. This movie is not going to be better just because she's black. The only thing she can bring to the table to make this movie good is her acting ability. Period. I'm not going to feel like a had a richer movie going experience just because I saw Catwoman played by a "different perspective" with a minority actress. Certainly didn't when I watched Halle Berry's abomination. I don't think Tom Holland's two Spider-Man movies are richer or better movies than Raimi's because MJ and Flash Thompson are played by colored actors etc. That's not the way movie quality should be judged.

As for this TDKR too urban thing. We all are assuming it was the Juno Temple role she was passed on. Watch Temple's scenes in TDKR. Tally up her screen time. Its not even close to two minutes. She's on screen for less than a minute. 30 seconds at best. These two actors are on screen longer, and have more dialogue than she does;

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But you know some think Kravitz "got the last laugh" because she missed out on a thankless 30 second role 7 years ago and has now landed this. Priceless.
 
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