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[Zantera]

I was thinking about someone like Thomas Frank earlier who so far has done a good job at Spurs. (Still early days of course) But I can just imagine even if we got someone like him, it's a different environment more pressure. All it takes is a few bad results and you'd hear "I can't believe Man U got the Brentford manager, that's their level now".

Let's hope we beat Burnley to get some positivity back because if we don't win that game, we'll have 2 weeks during international break to hear links to every manager in the game between Southgate and Big Sam.

 

[BlackFox]

Yeah Amorim seemed to get the benefit of the doubt last season as he took over half way through and inherited another mess, plus he didnt want to join until the summer anyway. Now though he isnt going to get away with much now that he has signed some players and had time to get over his system and message and it doesnt seem to have improved, at all.

He is getting bantered from every direction now and his body language is worrying comparing to the past, he seems like a man on his last legs. A win would help but hardly going to silence everything with a home win against Burnley, anything less is going to be bad. Tough time for him now.

 

[BlackFox]

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer sacked by Besiktas after Conference League play-offs defeat

Not going much better for past managers either...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was thinking about someone like Thomas Frank earlier who so far has done a good job at Spurs. (Still early days of course) But I can just imagine even if we got someone like him, it's a different environment more pressure. All it takes is a few bad results and you'd hear "I can't believe Man U got the Brentford manager, that's their level now".

Let's hope we beat Burnley to get some positivity back because if we don't win that game, we'll have 2 weeks during international break to hear links to every manager in the game between Southgate and Big Sam.

Yeah Amorim seemed to get the benefit of the doubt last season as he took over half way through and inherited another mess, plus he didnt want to join until the summer anyway. Now though he isnt going to get away with much now that he has signed some players and had time to get over his system and message and it doesnt seem to have improved, at all.

He is getting bantered from every direction now and his body language is worrying comparing to the past, he seems like a man on his last legs. A win would help but hardly going to silence everything with a home win against Burnley, anything less is going to be bad. Tough time for him now.

This is why I think we should stick it out this season, no matter what. The issue is United feels like it's always responding to the media pressure. It let's the players off the hook. Allows for them to not look in the mirror.

 

[Zantera]

Yeah I think the club needs to start making calculated decisions they believe to be right rather than just respond to media pressure. Being the manager for this club must be an insane experience, like being in a pressure cooker. I still hope Amorim can turn things around even if I have worries. But I also agree if we just keep sacking managers, the players will take zero accountability.

It's funny though how Amorim made those comments during pre-season that he'd still want to be our manager 20-30 years from now, to being 3 games into the season and saying comments like "Things have to change and I know you don't change 22 players".

 

[Hunter Rider]

If Amorim remains here until Christmas there's a very good chance we'll be in a relegation battle, his system is so rigid that regardless of who we field, teams find it easy to simply shut down, especially as he's trying to play it with a legless midfield and no proper wingbacks.

A top manager makes adjustments to utilise what he's got and also isn't hellbent on playing his Captain nonstop even when he's becoming a negative who spends more time moaning and punting long when he gets frustrated.

We've all blamed the players plenty of times, but these aren't even the same players, all of the problem ones have been removed, so we have to look at the manager, he's completely and utterly inflexible, he just keeps doing the same thing over and over hoping it'll somehow get a different result, against Grimsby he brought Mount on and played him LWB because he refuses to shift from 3-4-3 no matter what.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[Zantera]

To lighten the mood a bit I think this image sums up life as a Man Utd fan these days:

 

[Hunter Rider]

Official, I think this is a good signing for West Ham, given our midfield is absolutely garbage, we should have been in for him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer sacked by Besiktas after Conference League play-offs defeat

Not going much better for past managers either...

Now Jose:

Mourinho exits Fenerbahce six games into season

Jose Mourinho has been relieved of his duties as manager of Turkish Super Lig club Fenerbahce, it was announced on Friday.

www.espn.com

 

[Zantera]

I also think Fernandes could have been a signing for us. But over the years our CM signings have been really baffling. And even now it's like we looked at Baleba for 100m but when that wasn't happening we left the market. It's crazy in my mind that the club isn't trying to make shrewd 30-40m signings.

Just throwing out a few examples here but I believe Macallister to Liverpool was 35m. Gravenberch 40m. Odegaard to Arsenal was 35m. Bruno Guimaraes to Newcastle was 40m.

Point is some of the great midfielders in the league were signed for a pretty modest price and it shows that you can get a lot of value in the market. Yet when we are looking at players they're 75-100m. We can't build a midfield with 2-3 new CMs if they all cost that haha.

 

[BlackFox]

Now Jose:

Mourinho exits Fenerbahce six games into season

Jose Mourinho has been relieved of his duties as manager of Turkish Super Lig club Fenerbahce, it was announced on Friday.

www.espn.com

Ten Hag, Amirom and Moyes right now:

 

[blueharvest]

 

[BlackFox]

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Glad he's gone, his spinning on the ball for absolute no reason will go down in folklore, possibly ETH's worst signing at the price, although Onana might be above him.

Garnacho gone too it seems to Chelsea will get done today, just need to get shot of Sancho and that clears out some of the past flops.

 

[BlackFox]

Chelsea 1-0 at HT against Fulham, who had a goal ruled out by VAR which seemed a bit harsh but there we are these days.

 

[BlackFox]

2-0 Chelsea with a penalty from Enzo Fernandez.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I also think Fernandes could have been a signing for us. But over the years our CM signings have been really baffling. And even now it's like we looked at Baleba for 100m but when that wasn't happening we left the market. It's crazy in my mind that the club isn't trying to make shrewd 30-40m signings.

Just throwing out a few examples here but I believe Macallister to Liverpool was 35m. Gravenberch 40m. Odegaard to Arsenal was 35m. Bruno Guimaraes to Newcastle was 40m.

Point is some of the great midfielders in the league were signed for a pretty modest price and it shows that you can get a lot of value in the market. Yet when we are looking at players they're 75-100m. We can't build a midfield with 2-3 new CMs if they all cost that haha.

I was suspicious from the start that the Baleba thing was Ineos putting out that they were after the midfielder that fans wanted, but knew they really couldn't get, so when we don't get a midfielder they'll claim they tried but wouldn't compromise on who they wanted, which is of course horse****.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Glad he's gone, his spinning on the ball for absolute no reason will go down in folklore, possibly ETH's worst signing at the price, although Onana might be above him.

Garnacho gone too it seems to Chelsea will get done today, just need to get shot of Sancho and that clears out some of the past flops.

Betis withdrew their offer because we wouldn't give Antony £4M to go away.

 

[BlackFox]

1-0 up against Burnely at the moment, not much but a lead at HT

Spurs losing 0-1 to Bournemouth

Everton 2-1 up at Wolves

 

[BlackFox]

United 3-2 Burnley
Wolves 2-3 Everton
Spurs 0-1 Bournemouth
Sunderland 2-1 Brentford

 

[Zantera]

I know the headlines will be all about "Man Utd needed a last minute penalty to beat Burnley at home" and supporters of other teams will take the piss and I get it. But watching this game you see us create chance upon chance but it's Zirkzee or Amad hitting it over, or Bruno hitting it just outside the box. Sesko had a decent header as well. And then on the other side Burnley have like 2 chances all game but because of our goalkeeper they get 2 goals. For me the 2-2 goal is one of those goals that simply doesn't happen if you have a decent keeper. Fumbling a rebound straight out to a Burnley player like that is just not acceptable.

So it really felt like a 4-0 much more than a 3-2 but in the end it's the effectiveness in both penalty boxes that matter. Much needed 3 points and hopefully it does something positive. But I was really hoping for us to get a solid win that you couldn't question under scrutiny.

 

[BlackFox]

Yeah a last minute dodgy pen to grab 3 points against Burnley is hardly going to silence the doubters though. Its not great but at least it moves us up the table and above a few heading into the International break, would be a whole lot worse without the win. Its worrying Sesko doesnt seem to be liked very much already or trusted by Amorim. I hope he's not just Hojlund v2.0 but hasnt really hit the ground running.

 

[BlackFox]

Leeds 0-0 Newcastle, another solid point for Leeds against a tough side at home.

 

[Zantera]

Yeah a last minute dodgy pen to grab 3 points against Burnley is hardly going to silence the doubters though. Its not great but at least it moves us up the table and above a few heading into the International break, would be a whole lot worse without the win. Its worrying Sesko doesnt seem to be liked very much already or trusted by Amorim. I hope he's not just Hojlund v2.0 but hasnt really hit the ground running.

With Sesko I think I read he wasn't 100% fit when joined, like he didn't have much of a pre-season going into the season. So my gut feeling is that they decided to ease him in with some limited game time just at the start and we also conveniently have some games where starting a more 'defensive' lineup (like having Mount as the third attacking player) makes sense.

I hope the injury to Cunha wasn't too bad.

 

[BlackFox]

With Sesko I think I read he wasn't 100% fit when joined, like he didn't have much of a pre-season going into the season. So my gut feeling is that they decided to ease him in with some limited game time just at the start and we also conveniently have some games where starting a more 'defensive' lineup (like having Mount as the third attacking player) makes sense.

I hope the injury to Cunha wasn't too bad.

Yeah perhaps, we shall see I guess, probably needs a goal to settle down and get some confidence and get up and running. Doesnt look the part yet but has time on his side at least.

At least its an international break now so he has a some time to recover before we even play again anyway.