🤛 Official UFC Thread - Part 8

[DarthSkywalker]

Thanks. What is a typical gap between fighting?

It depends. In a perfect world, champions and bigger fighters usually fight 2-3 times a year. The lower end guys 3-4. But considering how many injuries there are nowadays, it is more like 1-2 for the vast majority.

 

[Iceman]

It depends. In a perfect world, champions and bigger fighters usually fight 2-3 times a year. The lower end guys 3-4. But considering how many injuries there are nowadays, it is more like 1-2 for the vast majority.

Gotya, that makes much more sense.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It just depends who you ask, I've heard those types of things called jaw crushers, neck cranks, rear-naked chokes & I'm sure there are other names for them as well. The reality is it's a bit of everything, typically the pressure & pain of those types of submissions is mostly the jaw, but who know's, I'm sure his neck wasn't feeling too good either with him pulling his head to the side you'd have to ask McGregor.

The guy I saw get injured didn't try valiantly to escape or hold on for dear life, he was caught in the hold for about 5 seconds & the injury/damage was done, which is in & around the same amount of time McGregor was in the hold before he tapped. You don't get a bravery medal for refusing to tap or holding on for a couple of seconds more when you are about to get ****ed up from a submission hold, they hand out stupidity medals though with a complimentary hospital trip. Again though what you're saying is highly ignorant, you said that he 'tapped out very quickly', he was in the hold for about 5 seconds against a world class grappler who's squeeze is probably like an industrial vise grip combined with flawless technique.. it's literally crazy that you seem to think that, that's a quick tap.

Conor has the same chance of winning a rematch as he did this fight. It's literally grappler vs striker, Khabib's biggest strength, is Conor's weakness & Khabib's weakness is Conor's strength. The rivalry parallels so much with Couture & Liddell IMO. They could fight 10 more times & you could get 5 Khabib maulings & 5 McGregor KO's, it literally comes down to who can impose their strength on the opponent. Typically though if I was betting, I'd bet on the grappler winning as I did on Saturday night with Khabib for the simple fact that the longer a fight goes on the less chance the striker has of finishing a grappler with a single punch.. and that is definitely the case with McGregor as much like Chuck, he's got 2 rounds to get you out of there otherwise he's going to be in trouble.

The problem here is, Khabib won the stand up. He doesn't look super slick, but hr had some GSP style effectiveness.

For what it is worth, Bisping thinks it was necessarily about the hold:

Michael Bisping: McGregor 'Gave Up' Once Nurmagomedov Applied The Choke Hold

Bisping opined that once Nurmgomedov took McGregor’s back in the fourth round, the Irishman was looking for a way out of the fight. However, “The Count” stopped short of faulting McGregor or accusing him of quitting, pointing out that he had already taken quite a beating by that point.

"Look, what happened towards the end is that Conor gave up, because the choke wasn't even under the chin; it wasn't on the neck,” Bisping said. "But it's easy to sit here and say he gave up. When you're tired and when you've been pounded for four rounds... let's not forget that, in that second round, Khabib put it on him bad.

"It could have been close to being stopped on a couple of occasions,” Bisping added. “I'm sure Herb Dean was looking at it closely and considering saying to Conor, 'You've got to do something. You've got to fight back'. When you get to round four, the choke doesn't need to be perfect - the technique doesn't need to be perfect. It sucks."

Submission defense has been McGregor’s Achilles’ heel throughout his career, with all four of his professional losses coming via submission. Notably, his last MMA defeat before Saturday, at the hands of Nate Diaz in 2016, also came via rear-naked choke in a fight where a tired and beat-up McGregor tapped fairly quickly.

 

[Iceman]

Khabib Nurmagomedov tells UFC he'll QUIT if they sack Zubaira Tukhugov for attacking Conor McGregor during brawl

 

[Iceman]

I enjoyed the Felice Herrig Michelle Waterson fight. How are these 2 ranked roughly in their division?

 

[B]

The problem here is, Khabib won the stand up. He doesn't look super slick, but hr had some GSP style effectiveness.

For what it is worth, Bisping thinks it was necessarily about the hold:

Michael Bisping: McGregor 'Gave Up' Once Nurmagomedov Applied The Choke Hold

Sorry, saw your post but didn't get a chance to reply till now -

I think Khabib did win the standup but I'd only give it to him simply because he landed the only real punch that stunned McGregor in the 2nd. There really was very little standup, the only prolonged period came in the 3rd after McGregor stuffed his 1st takedown & made him stand, in the exchange that followed, McGregor was outlanding him. Both guys looked gassed, were standing pretty much in front of each other & both lacked any real pop behind their shots though.

Khabib's striking is extremely wooden, the reason he gets away with it is because of his bullrush takedowns & the fear opponents have of the takedown.. especially if they've tasted it once in a previous round. His striking is not good enough to stand for prolonged periods against decent strikers, nevermind the elite. For me, I think McGregor is just as much a nightmare matchup for him as Khabib is for him.. then there are guys like Diaz & Ferguson who are the worst stylistic matchup for Khabib simply because both have good standup skills & both are infamously good off their back, particularly Ferguson.

There was nothing to do but submit mate, he had him in a body lock & had it in full torque by the time McGregor had even used his hands to push himself off his side, it doesn't have to be under the chin for it to suck to be on the end off, the only way he was getting out of that was if Khabib let it go.

 

[B]

I enjoyed the Felice Herrig Michelle Waterson fight. How are these 2 ranked roughly in their division?

Both of them are top 10 I think, usually 1 or 2 wins for someone in the top 10 vs top 10 opponents is enough to put them into title contention.

 

[Iceman]

Both of them are top 10 I think, usually 1 or 2 wins for someone in the top 10 vs top 10 opponents is enough to put them into title contention.

Good to know, thanks.

 

[Iceman]

Floyd Mayweather responds to Khabib Nurmagomedov challenge: ‘Get the checkbook out’

 

[B]

Floyd Mayweather responds to Khabib Nurmagomedov challenge: ‘Get the checkbook out’

This fight would be impossible to sell to anybody with an 1/10th of a brain.

He's a grappling specialist, his striking in an MMA setting is just about acceptable enough to help him set up a grappling exchange. At least with Conor they could sell he's a high level striker in MMA with a highlight reel of KO's & good hands against some of the killers that fight in MMA, Khabib's highlights are all grappling/ground & pound related because that's were all of his fights end up.

 

[Iceman]

This fight would be impossible to sell to anybody with an 1/10th of a brain.

He's a grappling specialist, his striking in an MMA setting is just about acceptable enough to help him set up a grappling exchange. At least with Conor they could sell he's a high level striker in MMA with a highlight reel of KO's & good hands against some of the killers that fight in MMA, Khabib's highlights are all grappling/ground & pound related because that's were all of his fights end up.

Yeah, I cant see any way this fight could make sense. It's a guaranteed victory for the specialist of whichever ruleset you choose to go with.

 

[Iceman]

'We’re fighting': Floyd Mayweather says Khabib Nurmagomedov bout will happen

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This fight would be impossible to sell to anybody with an 1/10th of a brain.

He's a grappling specialist, his striking in an MMA setting is just about acceptable enough to help him set up a grappling exchange. At least with Conor they could sell he's a high level striker in MMA with a highlight reel of KO's & good hands against some of the killers that fight in MMA, Khabib's highlights are all grappling/ground & pound related because that's were all of his fights end up.

You mean the guy who dropped Conor with one punch?

 

[B]

You mean the guy who dropped Conor with one punch?

Did he drop him though ask yourself that, Conor's ass didn't even hit the canvas. Khabib would get tuned up in a boxing ring vs most UFC fighters a lot of which come from at least amateur boxing backrounds, nevermind fighting TBE.

If Khabib's not fighting Ferguson or a rematch with McGregor, the next fight that interests me with him that I've heard thrown around is GSP.

 

[Iceman]

I want to see Ferguson next.

 

[B]

I want to see Ferguson next.

Yeah I'm the same, that Khabib/Ferguson fight has been in the making for the last few years each time they'd get close one of them would pull out. Khabib's last one was the worst, pulled out the day before weigh ins if I recall because he knew he wasn't going to make weight.. and if he had missed again the UFC probably would have been done with him at 155lbs for a couple of fights & forced him to go to 170.. which is far better for him because he walks around between 180lbs & 190lbs from what I've read which isn't far off what GSP tended to walk around at when he was the WW king but he doesn't really carry any excess weight, he's pretty much always solid muscle & very little body fat.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah I'm the same, that Khabib/Ferguson fight has been in the making for the last few years each time they'd get close one of them would pull out. Khabib's last one was the worst, pulled out the day before weigh ins if I recall because he knew he wasn't going to make weight.. and if he had missed again the UFC probably would have been done with him at 155lbs for a couple of fights & forced him to go to 170.. which is far better for him because he walks around between 180lbs & 190lbs from what I've read which isn't far off what GSP tended to walk around at when he was the WW king but he doesn't really carry any excess weight, he's pretty much always solid muscle & very little body fat.

Is Ferguson's takedown defence and ground defence decent? And I didn't realise that. Seems like he's going up and down an unhealthy amount of weight regularly then, and also a fight with GSP could have happened. Why does he not fight in the division above? Would he not still dominate?

 

[B]

Is Ferguson's takedown defence and ground defence decent? And I didn't realise that. Seems like he's going up and down an unhealthy amount of weight regularly then, and also a fight with GSP could have happened. Why does he not fight in the division above? Would he not still dominate?

Ferguson is extremely dangerous off his back, he trains under Eddie Bravo who's got some insanely dangerous skills from guard. His takedown defense isn't anything special, Kevin Lee if I recall got him down with ease.. but that was a mistake because it played right into Ferguson's game & he was lit up with elbows from the bottom & then he tapped him with an armbar or triangle if I recall.

He'd probably find some success, but he's in a weird area he's a big 155 & has shown to struggle to make the cut, but if he fought at 170 he'd be undersized as some guys at WW are pushing 200lbs+ with bigger frames & thus they're going to be much tougher to physically bully & takedown which is what he needs in order to be successful.

 

[Iceman]

Ferguson is extremely dangerous off his back, he trains under Eddie Bravo who's got some insanely dangerous skills from guard. His takedown defense isn't anything special, Kevin Lee if I recall got him down with ease.. but that was a mistake because it played right into Ferguson's game & he was lit up with elbows from the bottom & then he tapped him with an armbar or triangle if I recall.

He'd probably find some success, but he's in a weird area he's a big 155 & has shown to struggle to make the cut, but if he fought at 170 he'd be undersized as some guys at WW are pushing 200lbs+ with bigger frames & thus they're going to be much tougher to physically bully & takedown which is what he needs in order to be successful.

Ah gotya. Thanks a lot for this response. It makes a Ferguson fight sound even more intriguing to me. On his back would he be more often going for a submission or striking from below, or 50/50 between the two? Whenever I've sparred in BJJ I had no idea what to do when on my back and would just be trying to get out of it and get on top, so would like to see someone who can defend (or even attack) well from there. Especially against the best ground guy of the lot.

 

[Iceman]

Conor McGregor & Khabib Nurmagomedov's bans extended after brawl following UFC fight

 

[Lobo]

So mma is doing trades now? Ben Askren for Demetrius Johnson. Askren in ufc should be super interesting. Not sure uf I want to see him vs GSP or Khabib more.

UFC, ONE Championship discussing potential Demetrious Johnson-Ben Askren 'trade'

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Conor McGregor & Khabib Nurmagomedov's bans extended after brawl following UFC fight

This is to be expected. What should worry both men is that they kept half of Khabib's purse, a cool million. Expect big fines.

 

[Iceman]

This is to be expected. What should worry both men is that they kept half of Khabib's purse, a cool million. Expect big fines.

Hitting them both in the pocket is the only way to change anything. Does McGregor's baiting really increase viewing figures that much? It's a negative and a distraction for me. I like the strutting around and harmless stuff that is part of the act, but not insults that are too personal.

 

[Iceman]

Random UFC question. Do the fighters know how much time is left in a round?

 

[B]

Usually yes, there's screens around outside the cage that show what you see at home on them so they can see how longs left particularly at the bigger promotions like UFC. Your smaller local ones might not have the same. Plus you'll have the corner occasionally shouting the time left as well.