2009 NFL Thread

[Venom'sDad]

Raiders winning 9-10 games?

I would love for that to come true, but I see this team going 8-8.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I would love for that to come true, but I see this team going 8-8.

Oakland has shown me nothing this off-season to tell me they're gonna be competitive. I see them as a 5-6 win team again.

 

[Venom'sDad]

They have some very winnable games

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Kansas City has improved greatly. They're defense is going to be better than it was last season. I really can't see them getting by Houston. On top of that, they play the NFC East. I just can't see them getting to 8 wins.

 

[Venom'sDad]

KC is going nowhere anytime soon, trust me they have many issues, Denver is a dog, they will split with SAN, NFC East best is NY & Philly, WAS is a ?, not sure what team will show up, Dallas is overated. Little Fact: Dallas has never beaten Oakland in Dallas... NEVER... I don't see that changing, NYJ always lose with they travel cross country to play the Raiders, CLE... please. That's 8 wins right there. Maybe 9 depending on what WAS team shows up, but I easily see 8 wins.

 

[StorminNorman]

KC and St. Louis are still the least talented teams in the NFL.

KC in particular looks like the favorite for failure. Their offense lacks weapons and their defense has MAJOR holes...like who will play NG (the most important position in a 3-4 defense).

 

[Excel]

You guys missed the point. Ronnie Brown is a top 10 talent. Not only did the 2008 Dolphins have the #1 pick, but they also basically added Ronnie Brown. Thats 2 player with impact of enormous, game changing performances. Lions dont have that.

Aint no way

Just like there was no way they beat Tampa in Tampa with Tampa needing to win to make the playoffs, RIGHT (which I called ) ?

Oaklands had too many top picks to be bad any more, just aint possible. I mean for real, they have 3 starting running backs; play-action-bombs-away-to-Heyward-Bey should be ridiculously effective, even if thats the only part of the passing game that works. Itll lose up the guys upfront and open it up for their running game as well give Jmarcus more to pass to guys like Zack Miller and Chaz Schillens whove shown potential, espec. Miller. Maybe Javon Walker has life in his old destroyed legs left, and maybe, just maybe, Heyward Bey will be able to more than just run deep.

Defense is still kind of iffy, they should have drafted Brace instead of trading down but w/e, I like their offense enough to say they win ATLEAST 7 games next season, with 8 very likely and 9 probable.

 

[StorminNorman]

You guys missed the point. Ronnie Brown is a top 10 talent. Not only did the 2008 Dolphins have the #1 pick, but they also basically added Ronnie Brown. Thats 2 player with impact of enormous, game changing performances. Lions dont have that.

I don't believe Ronnie Brown is a top 10 player and certainly wasn't last year. You can't forget that Calvin Johnson is a better weapon than anyone Miami has. You can also counter the Dolphins acquisition of Ronnie Brown for the teams acquisition of Brandon Pettigrew - a player with the potential to be a top 10 TE next year and will help in the running game.

Just like there was no way they beat Tampa in Tampa with Tampa needing to win to make the playoffs, RIGHT (which I called ) ?

Ryan Leaf had one decent game.

Oaklands had too many top picks to be bad any more, just aint possible. I mean for real, they have 3 starting running backs; play-action-bombs-away-to-Heyward-Bey should be ridiculously effective, even if thats the only part of the passing game that works. Itll lose up the guys upfront and open it up for their running game as well give Jmarcus more to pass to guys like Zack Miller and Chaz Schillens whove shown potential, espec. Miller. Maybe Javon Walker has life in his old destroyed legs left, and maybe, just maybe, Heyward Bey will be able to more than just run deep.

The problem is that JaMarcus Russel is looking like a tremendous bust.

 

[StorminNorman]

Yeah, I mean think of the QB's we had and the talent we hand on offense. He was leading the league in rushing up to that point he got injured.

His impact on the 2007 is not the same as his impact on the 2008 team. Ronnie Brown didn't have a great year last year. In his last 6 games he had 0 TD's and 1 100 yard game. He only had 3 100 yard games all year and scored almost half of his TD's in one game.

The addition of Ronnie Brown is not the reason the Dolphins went to the playoffs next year.

 

[Darthphere]

His impact on the 2007 is not the same as his impact on the 2008 team. Ronnie Brown didn't have a great year last year. In his last 6 games he had 0 TD's and 1 100 yard game. He only had 3 100 yard games all year and scored almost half of his TD's in one game.

The addition of Ronnie Brown is not the reason the Dolphins went to the playoffs next year.

Well I wasn't debating that. I was talking about the 2007 season exclusively.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

KC is going nowhere anytime soon, trust me they have many issues, Denver is a dog, they will split with SAN, NFC East best is NY & Philly, WAS is a ?, not sure what team will show up, Dallas is overated. Little Fact: Dallas has never beaten Oakland in Dallas... NEVER... I don't see that changing, NYJ always lose with they travel cross country to play the Raiders, CLE... please. That's 8 wins right there. Maybe 9 depending on what WAS team shows up, but I easily see 8 wins.

Kansas City will take one game from Oakland. They always split the series. Oakland hasn't beat San Deigo since September 28th 2003. I really don't see that changing. They'll split with Denver. They're not going to win in Houston or New York. They won't beat Philadelphia. The Jets are question mark for me. Sanchez being back on the west coast with a new and improved defense that Rex Ryan has created. I'll give them the games against Cincinnati and Dallas. They won't win in Pittsburgh. The Washington game is a toss up like you said. Win in Cleveland and lose against Baltimore. I still only see around 5-6 wins.

 

[That-Guy]

I'm watching the NFL Network right now and I have given a name to my pain.

It is John Buzzeo.

 

[Excel]

I don't believe Ronnie Brown is a top 10 player and certainly wasn't last year. You can't forget that Calvin Johnson is a better weapon than anyone Miami has. You can also counter the Dolphins acquisition of Ronnie Brown for the teams acquisition of Brandon Pettigrew - a player with the potential to be a top 10 TE next year and will help in the running game.

Um, no? Ronnie Browns averaging 86 rushing yards and 55 rec yards along with 5.2 per carry in 2007 when he tore his ACL, thats not only top 10, thats numero uno. Browns was the best fantasy rb in the league when he went down in 2007.

at comparing Browns impact to Brandon Pettigrew

The problem is that JaMarcus Russel is looking like a tremendous bust.

Explain this to me. He only threw 8 int. last year. Dont mistake somebody whose not doing much with somebody whose moving backwards, which is what a bust is. With new weapons and more throwing time, Russel should have no prob. putting up atleast 2tds this year, if he stays healthy. Last year he was just throwing to nobody.

 

[StorminNorman]

Um, no? Ronnie Browns averaging 86 rushing yards and 55 rec yards along with 5.2 per carry in 2007 when he tore his ACL, thats not only top 10, thats numero uno. Browns was the best fantasy rb in the league when he went down in 2007.

Robbie Brown's stats in 2007 are irrelevant to his impact on the team in 2008 (which is the matter at hand). In 2008, Brown was not a top 10 talent.

at comparing Browns impact to Brandon Pettigrew

Laugh now, but when 34K has a 1400 run year with the majority of the yards coming from the strong side and Pettigrew has 7 TD's and a good chunk of yards.



Explain this to me. He only threw 8 int. last year.[/quote]

 

[Immortalfire]

Just like there was no way they beat Tampa in Tampa with Tampa needing to win to make the playoffs, RIGHT (which I called ) ?

Let me borrow that Sports Almanac, sometime.

 

[Excel]

Robbie Brown's stats in 2007 are irrelevant to his impact on the team in 2008 (which is the matter at hand). In 2008, Brown was not a top 10 talent.

Either way, he was a huge addittion; they also added Williams.

Laugh now, but when 34K has a 1400 run year

The only way Kevin Smith gets 1400 yards is if he gets 350 carries. I like Kevin Smith (if Calvin Johnson wants to be half the star Moss or Owens are, he'll need to stop acting like Marvin Harrison and find some of Smiths swagger; gotta love guy who goes beserk anytime he gets 10 yards+ ) but in terms of skills...you overrate him to a ridiculous amoun.

 

[StorminNorman]

Either way, he was a huge addittion; they also added Williams.

No, he wasn't a huge addition. His production, was not what I would describe as "huge"

The only way Kevin Smith gets 1400 yards is if he gets 350 carries. I like Kevin Smith (if Calvin Johnson wants to be half the star Moss or Owens are, he'll need to stop acting like Marvin Harrison and find some of Smiths swagger; gotta love guy who goes beserk anytime he gets 10 yards+ ) but in terms of skills...you overrate him to a ridiculous amoun.

I obviously disagree. Kevin Smith is not Barry Sanders, but he can be a very successful NFL back with the right system in place for him. I think Pettigrew being able to dominate opposing linebackers and defensive ends will help Kevin Smith out tremendously. Pettigrew really does give the Lions a three tackle set up for running the ball (several believed he was the best blocker in the draft, better than the tackles).

 

[Excel]

I obviously disagree. Kevin Smith is not Barry Sanders, but he can be a very successful NFL back with the right system in place for him.

Well yeah, but you can say that for literally any running back in the NFL.

 

[StorminNorman]

Exactly! And that's why the acquisition of Brandon Pettigrew is so important. It creates that system.

 

[BlackLantern]

I saw both the Colts O Coordinator and O Line coach are retiring and both have been there since 1998...the Colts should be worried

 

[Excel]

Exactly! And that's why the acquisition of Brandon Pettigrew is so important. It creates that system.

I dont see him making that type of difference at all; looks well have to agree to disagree (quite the shocker)

 

[Immortalfire]

...the Colts should be worried

SurfDUI won't be.

 

[BlackLantern]

SurfDUI won't be.

they say ignorance is bliss

 

[Immortalfire]

After all, they're OUR Indianapolis Colts.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I saw both the Colts O Coordinator and O Line coach are retiring and both have been there since 1998...the Colts should be worried

Doesn't Peyton Manning call the plays on offense anyways?