2011 NFL Thread: The Lazarus Season - Part 5

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so what is the reason that the Colts have not placed Manning on IR yet?


To keep fans buying tickets for the December and January games on the off-chance that they will get to see Peyton play.

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The comparison between the Aaron Rodgers/Brett Favre situation is not a good one in the slightest. These would be two completely different scenarios. Brett Favre hadn't decided if he was coming back or not. The organization couldn't just wait on him forever like they had been doing every single season. They had to do what was best for the organization and decided to move on.

The Colts wouldn't have to choose between Luck and Manning. The Colts could have them both. If the Colts selected Andrew Luck, Manning could still play if he wanted to with the Colts. He's probably going to play another two or three seasons. He's had three neck surgeries in the last three years I think. Maybe it was two years. Whatever the case, he's not going to last much longer. You have to think about what is best for the team going forward. And Manning probably knows this. It's a business.

As for the fanbase, who gives a ****. Since when do they run the team? As long as the team wins, then they'll shut up. If they're divided about who should play, oh well they have no say in what goes on anyways. And Peyton Manning struggling to the point that fans would want to see Andrew Luck play would be surprising.

Again, I don't see how this is a waste of talent. Andrew Luck's talent wouldn't vanish because he's not playing. You could even say that Luck's talent could really be wasted by going to a terrible team and expecting him to be Superman and save the franchise and turn them into a contender right off the bat. A lot of rookie quarterbacks have done well in the last decade or so, but at the same time a lot of those quarterbacks that have been rookies and done well have also had good talent around them. This fits the bill for Roethlisberger, Flacco, Dalton and Ryan. Miami has virtually nothing. Things could always change in one offseason of course, but in that division he would have a lot on his plate.

Luck has a say in it too, you know. He can always pull an Eli and refuse to sign with the Colts which I could see him doing if there is even the slightest indication that his job will be to warm Peyton's spot on the bench.

Beyond that it is a bad move for the Colts for another reason. Luck is easily going to get a 70-80 million dollar contract. Do you really think that it is a good move to waste that kind of money and cap space on a player who might not even see the field for 3-4 years?
 
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To keep fans buying tickets for the December and January games on the off-chance that they will get to see Peyton play.



Luck has a say in it too, you know. He can always pull an Eli and refuse to sign with the Colts which I could see him doing if there is even the slightest indication that his job will be to warm Peyton's spot on the bench.

Beyond that it is a bad move for the Colts for another reason. Luck is easily going to get a 70-80 million dollar contract. Do you really think that it is a good move to waste that kind of money and cap space on a player who might not even see the field for 3-4 years?
Luck would have to have a ridiculous amount of leverage to dictate where he goes and he virtually has nothing. John Elway had the option of playing baseball and Eli Manning had the best quarterback in the NFL, his brother, and former NFL player Archie Manning in his corner. Luck has nothing.

And would going to the Colts really be a bad thing? You'd be going to an organization with a GM that has had a history of building good teams (but has slipped as of late) and you'd be getting to learn under one of the best quarterbacks the NFL has ever had. Think of the alternative. You go to Miami where everyone would be expecting you to be Superman right out of the gate in one of the hardest divisions in football on a team that has more or less been average to terrible the last few years. You'd have a lot on your shoulders to begin.

And thanks to the new CBA, rookie contracts aren't going to be that ridiculous anymore. If you can save your franchise for the next 10 -13 years with one guy being the key piece, then having him sit on the bench and learn a few things for a couple of years wouldn't be that bad. I'd rather have that problem than end up searching for another meagastar quarterback right when Manning decides to retire. Luck is supposed to be the best quarterback coming out of college since Manning himself. It would be really hard not to pass on him if you have the chance to select him.
 
Luck shouldn't even bother with the draft this year....he wants to be an architect...go do that for a year then sign with whoever as a free agent
 
It would be quite hilarious if Luck decided he would rather build skyscrapers than play in the NFL.
 
Apparently the Indianapolis Star just released an article suggesting Peyton Manning may indeed walk away from football. He's actually had three neck surgeries in 19 months. That's ridiculous. He'll be 37 in March and at this point still can't throw the ball. He's just been cleared to actually jog. Manning has already accomplished a Hall of Fame career and has been a champion. He may decide to hang them up. I would. But that's probably because one of my worst fears is being paralyzed.
 
I'll just say that if I were the Colts GM... I'd draft Luck, and I'd be looking to get another couple years out of Peyton Manning if I could to kind of ease Luck into the position and I'd be grooming Peyton for coching duties by doing things like... oh, say... miking him up and having him up in the booth now and then.

Manning may not be done once he's undergone full rehabilitation, but when he is gone... there won't be a Luck on the board for them.

Just because he could conceivably start right away for other teams, doesn't mean he's being wasted (or that it's not in his own long term interests, career-wise) by spending a year or two behind the best pocket QB since Dan Marino.
 
Personally, if I'd had the career Manning has, at almost 36 following three neck surgeries...I'd call it a run.
 
He just signed a huge deal though, so there'd be some pressure on him to come back, even if it was just for a couple of years.

The Colts love him and will give him pretty much whatever he wants, but not selecting Luck is hurting their future, so you let him know that you're taking him but that he'll always have a role at the organization if he wants it, and that barring injuries he's starting the next two years if his rehab works out.
 
Luck would have to have a ridiculous amount of leverage to dictate where he goes and he virtually has nothing. John Elway had the option of playing baseball and Eli Manning had the best quarterback in the NFL, his brother, and former NFL player Archie Manning in his corner. Luck has nothing.

And would going to the Colts really be a bad thing? You'd be going to an organization with a GM that has had a history of building good teams (but has slipped as of late) and you'd be getting to learn under one of the best quarterbacks the NFL has ever had. Think of the alternative. You go to Miami where everyone would be expecting you to be Superman right out of the gate in one of the hardest divisions in football on a team that has more or less been average to terrible the last few years. You'd have a lot on your shoulders to begin.

And thanks to the new CBA, rookie contracts aren't going to be that ridiculous anymore. If you can save your franchise for the next 10 -13 years with one guy being the key piece, then having him sit on the bench and learn a few things for a couple of years wouldn't be that bad. I'd rather have that problem than end up searching for another meagastar quarterback right when Manning decides to retire. Luck is supposed to be the best quarterback coming out of college since Manning himself. It would be really hard not to pass on him if you have the chance to select him.

FYI Andrew Luck's father is Oliver Luck, a former NFL quarterback, who has a decade or so of back-office experience in professional football and is director of athletics at WVU.

I don't doubt Luck's father will be as much of a guiding force in Andrew's career as Archie has been to Eli's.
 
Luck would have to have a ridiculous amount of leverage to dictate where he goes and he virtually has nothing. John Elway had the option of playing baseball and Eli Manning had the best quarterback in the NFL, his brother, and former NFL player Archie Manning in his corner. Luck has nothing.

And would going to the Colts really be a bad thing? You'd be going to an organization with a GM that has had a history of building good teams (but has slipped as of late) and you'd be getting to learn under one of the best quarterbacks the NFL has ever had. Think of the alternative. You go to Miami where everyone would be expecting you to be Superman right out of the gate in one of the hardest divisions in football on a team that has more or less been average to terrible the last few years. You'd have a lot on your shoulders to begin.

And thanks to the new CBA, rookie contracts aren't going to be that ridiculous anymore. If you can save your franchise for the next 10 -13 years with one guy being the key piece, then having him sit on the bench and learn a few things for a couple of years wouldn't be that bad. I'd rather have that problem than end up searching for another meagastar quarterback right when Manning decides to retire. Luck is supposed to be the best quarterback coming out of college since Manning himself. It would be really hard not to pass on him if you have the chance to select him.

Luck has no leverage? He has one more year of eligibility. That is plenty of leverage. If it looks like a team like the Colts will draft him, only to bench him, he can just decide to stay at Stanford. That is enough to at least partially dictate where he goes. And even with the new CBA, Luck is still going to draw in a 70 million dollar contract. The Colts can't afford both Luck and Manning. Then again, Bill Polian has made stupider moves. I still say that he goes to Miami.
 
Luck has no leverage? He has one more year of eligibility. That is plenty of leverage. If it looks like a team like the Colts will draft him, only to bench him, he can just decide to stay at Stanford. That is enough to at least partially dictate where he goes. And even with the new CBA, Luck is still going to draw in a 70 million dollar contract. The Colts can't afford both Luck and Manning. Then again, Bill Polian has made stupider moves. I still say that he goes to Miami.

Going to Miami means nothing with the current coaching staff there. Why would Luck want to go to a team with a ****** coaching staff where not even the fans like the coaching staff ? I say unless a team like Miami makes some serious changes before the next draft Luck is better off staying in Stanford
 
Going to Miami means nothing with the current coaching staff there. Why would Luck want to go to a team with a ****** coaching staff where not even the fans like the coaching staff ? I say unless a team like Miami makes some serious changes before the next draft Luck is better off staying in Stanford

I think it is pretty safe to say that by next season Miami will have a new GM, a new head coach, new coordinators and a lot of (if not all) new position coaches.
 
I think it is pretty safe to say that by next season Miami will have a new GM, a new head coach, new coordinators and a lot of (if not all) new position coaches.

I hope so. I am a Fins Fan & I would hate to see a QB like Luck go on that team & lose next season based on their current situation because of the ****** coaches & what not
 
Lets hope so. I am a Fins Fan & I would hate to see a QB like Luck go on that team & lose next season based on their current state because of the ****** coaches & what not

The 'Fins will lose next season most likely regardless. Luck and a new coaching staff are the first step to rebuilding, rather than a fix-all. None the less, if they are heading in the right direction, there will be signs.

Furthermore, the idea of a guy like Brian Billick or Jeff Fisher taking over Miami should give the fans a lot to be excited about.
 
Newton is definitely a truly dynamic and exciting player to watch. His style of play also gets a lot of attention and makes for good highlights on ESPN.

I was completely wrong about him and the success he'd have the year. I can't believe how much he's exceeded expectations.

He's a good fantasy player.
 
The 'Fins will lose next season most likely regardless. Luck and a new coaching staff are the first step to rebuilding, rather than a fix-all. None the less, if they are heading in the right direction, there will be signs.

Furthermore, the idea of a guy like Brian Billick or Jeff Fisher taking over Miami should give the fans a lot to be excited about.

Billick maybe, Jeff Fisher? Keep him and his lip hair away.
 
Luck has no leverage? He has one more year of eligibility. That is plenty of leverage. If it looks like a team like the Colts will draft him, only to bench him, he can just decide to stay at Stanford. That is enough to at least partially dictate where he goes. And even with the new CBA, Luck is still going to draw in a 70 million dollar contract. The Colts can't afford both Luck and Manning. Then again, Bill Polian has made stupider moves. I still say that he goes to Miami.

Rookies can no longer get the big money like that. The CBA dictates that they have to make something like 20-40 million. That's what Newton made if I'm not mistaken.
 
That is because Newton is only in a four year contract and got all guaranteed money (in exchange for less money). Even if it is only 20-40 million, that is a lot to spend on a bench warmer.
 
Hillis is a joke. An overhyped flash-in-the-pan who likely will never have an outstanding season again. And really, how impressive was his last season? He put up solid, but not outstanding, stats that didn't translate to many wins for his team.
 
Players on the Madden Cover since 1999:

- Madden 99: Garrison Hearst (injured in playoffs, never was able to recover from it)
- Madden 00: Barry Sanders (retired in training camp)/Dorsey Levens (injured during season)
- Madden 01: Eddie George (awful performance in 2000 Divisional Playoffs. Injuries followed the next year)
- Madden 02: Daunte Culpepper (injured, Vikings failed to make Playoffs)
- Madden 03: Marshall Faulk (injured, Rams fail to make playoffs)
- Madden 04: Michael Vick (injured in regular season)
- Madden 05: Ray Lewis (injured, Ravens fail to make playoffs)
- Madden 06: Donovan McNabb (injured)
- Madden 07: Shaun Alexander (injured, able to return but never returned to elite form)
- Madden 08: Vince Young (injured)
- Madden 09: Brett Favre (injured, and sucked during his last few games with Jets)
- Madden 10: Larry Fitzgerald (injured during playoffs)/Troy Polamalu (injured)
- Madden 11: Drew Brees (lost in Wild Card Playoffs to a team with a pathetic record)
- Madden 12: Peyton Hillis (injured)
 
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