2012: A Monster Year? (box office predictions) - Part 2

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[TheComicbookKid]

Avengers didn't just top Potter, it completely stomped it.

This wasn't just 3D, it was a perfect storm of multiple factors.

The Hunger Games had a 150+ million opening weekend without 3D. Do you think it can't beat 200 million with a couple of years more inflation and added 3D?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

no one thought avengers could pull 200mill opening weekend! anyone think batman can top this?

It's tough to say. The Avengers has the 3D advantage and the TDKR doesn't. However, TDKR will be a monumental film. BAMFer's friend stated that grown men were crying at the screening.

I don't know. There are too many variables. For instance, take a look at The Hunger Games. It made 152 million without the aid of 3D. So, it's certainly possible.

 

[The Morningstar]

I don't think TDKR will.

Avengers, like Hunger Games, had a more universal appeal. There is nothing in those Bat trailers that i think will have kids screaming at their parents for them to go see it. No comedy, no really spectacular action scenes.

No Hulk

 

[Iceman]

On a side note, inflation doesn't normally go up that quickly during recessions.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

On a side note, inflation doesn't normally go up that quickly during recessions.

Except when you add in more IMAX screens being converted over the next two years. So the prices(ie kinds of available showings) will increase.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Dude, TDK was huge, and praise for new the trailer has been commendable to say the least. I myself had doubts but I don't see TDKR making less than 950 million and not being a legitimate challenger for the OW record now. It's Batman.

 

[The Morningstar]

Dude, TDK was huge, and praise for new the trailer has been commendable to say the least. I myself had doubts but I don't see TDKR making less than 950 million. It's Batman.

Neither do i. But i'm talking opening weekend. And that 3D isn't the only reason Avengers made huge money.

Fact is, it's just a more universally appealing film. Like i said, after seeing the TDKR trailers, I'm not sure kids and teenagers will be begging their parents to go see it.

Avengers not only appeals to the kids, but it appeals to the kid inside all of us. It reminds adults of what it's like to be a kid again. That's what happens when you have well written escapism.

No matter how well written the Batman movies are, they're not escapism, they're not going to make an adult feel like a giddy kid watching Star Wars for the first time again.

 

[Blue Sugar]

I don't think TDKR will.

Avengers, like Hunger Games, had a more universal appeal. There is nothing in those Bat trailers that i think will have kids screaming at their parents for them to go see it. No comedy, no really spectacular action scenes.

No Hulk

Ehh, TDKR trailer had way more spectacular action than The Hunger Games had. And personally I smiled at the last BatCat exchange. In The Hunger Games trailer there wasn't even a single attempt at a joke.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

And TDKR won't beat it, not without 3D i don't think. No film will beat this for a long time.

When does the Avengers sequel come out. Three years? That will have a chance for sure.

 

[Blue Sugar]

But hey I digress, I personally don't think TDKR will have a chance at beating TA in the box-office. But for me personally that also means nothing in the end as a film-lover.

 

[dark_b]

this of course can turn into a big fight. but Avengers was not just cgi and action. it had a lot fun moments. people had one of their best entertaining time watching Avengers. IMO they will watch it more then once.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Neither do i. But i'm talking opening weekend. And that 3D isn't the only reason Avengers made huge money.

Fact is, it's just a more universally appealing film. Like i said, after seeing the TDKR trailers, I'm not sure kids and teenagers will be begging their parents to go see it.

Avengers not only appeals to the kids, but it appeals to the kid inside all of us. It reminds adults of what it's like to be a kid again. That's what happens when you have well written escapism.

No matter how well written the Batman movies are, they're not escapism, they're not going to make an adult feel like a giddy kid watching Star Wars for the first time again.

We'll see, but it's not always about escapism my friend. It's also about inspiration. Keep in mind, people were having these same discussions when the trailers for TDK were released. People were claiming TDK was too dark and kids/teens wouldn't go see it. How wrong they were.

Revenge of the Sith is another example. Alot of people were claiming Lucas made a huge mistake in making a 'darker' Star Wars film. They predicted kids and teens would stay away.

 

[Iceman]

Except when you add in more IMAX screens being converted over the next two years. So the prices(ie kinds of available showings) will increase.

Inflation is where an identical product is increasing in price. IMAX/3D are different versions (of the same film) available at different prices. The differently priced 2D, 3D & IMAX products are then each subject to inflation (which is normally lower during recessionary periods).

Inflation affects all films and 3D & IMAX are also enhancements available to all. I can only see these being used to downplay a film's box office success (especially against other films coming out around the same time) when a certain film has been unfairly denied access to them.

 

[Iceman]

this of course can turn into a big fight. but Avengers was not just cgi and action. it had a lot fun moments. people had one of their best entertaining time watching Avengers. IMO they will watch it more then once.

It doesn't even matter. This is the box office thread. There are critic review and poster review threads that deal with how good (or not) the film is. Here success is measured by numbers baby t:

 

[The Morningstar]

We'll see, but it's not always about escapism my friend. Keep in mind, people were having these same discussions when the trailers for TDK were released. People were claiming TDK was too dark and kids/teens wouldn't go see it. How wrong they were.

Of course. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying TDKR won't be a success. It's stupid to say otherwise.

I'm simply making the point that Avengers, I think, is more universally appealing. The crowd was in fits of laughter. They were cheering. People were coming out of the cinema with huge silly grins all over their faces. And i'm from the ****ing UK where he have stiff upper lips and sip tea

The Bat movies, whilst still great, which i can admit whilst not liking them, just don't leave that kind of feeling with people i don't think.

Revenge of the Sith is another example. Alot of people were claiming Lucas made a huge mistake in making a 'darker' Star Wars film. They predicted kids and teens would stay away.

Yea but that WAS Star Wars. The finale. The origin of Vader. Of course it'd make big bucks. And the action was ridiculous in that movie.

 

[Blue Sugar]

BB and TDK are escapism enough for me and they are also so much more than JUST that.

 

[Marvin]

this of course can turn into a big fight. but Avengers was not just cgi and action. it had a lot fun moments. people had one of their best entertaining time watching Avengers. IMO they will watch it more then once.

Ergo why TF and others of this kind will continue to own the box office. ID4 and this fun first light plot spectacle approach is what summer really is all about. The dark script first films are more gems than anything.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Of course. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying TDKR won't be a success. It's stupid to say otherwise.

I'm simply making the point that Avengers, I think, is more universally appealing. The crowd was in fits of laughter. They were cheering. People were coming out of the cinema with huge silly grins all over their faces. And i'm from the ****ing UK where he have stiff upper lips and sip tea

The Bat movies, whilst still great, which i can admit whilst not liking them, just don't leave that kind of feeling with people i don't think.

No doubt about that. The Avengers is universally appealing to virtually almost every demographic because of it's great humor, dazzling visuals and unique characters. That much is certain.

Now, while Nolan's Batflicks are darker and more grounded, there's a reason why people still want to go see them even if they're not universally appealing to every age demographic. It's Batman, and the films are inspirational.

Nolan took a gamble by infusing these films with socio-political and cultural themes. It payed off in TDK and it's more than likely going to pay off in TDKR.

Yea but that WAS Star Wars. The finale. The origin of Vader. Of course it'd make big bucks. And the action was ridiculous in that movie.

Oh definitely, but remember this was being described as 'Not your Dad's Star Wars' by several box office sites. In many ways, it's no different than TDKR.

Batman is a comic book property that attracts kids, teens and adults till this day. It'll be no different here.

 

[The Morningstar]

BB and TDK are escapism enough for me and they are also so much more than JUST that.

So was Avengers.

Loki's rant in Germany. Could be taken as a cliche villain rant. But poses some questions. Do we really want freedom? Would it be simpler and more peaceful if we were all under one banner, one leader? Would you rather have the pressure and responsibility of being a shepard? Or would you prefer to be a sheep in the comfort zone?

It's just this little details can be overlooked because the film doesn't dwell on them and it's more fun on a visceral level.

No doubt about that. The Avengers is universally appealing to virtually almost every demographic because of it's great humor, dazzling visuals and unique characters. That much is certain.

Now, while Nolan's Batflicks are darker and more grounded, there's a reason why people still want to go see them even if they're not universally appealing to every age demographic. It's Batman, and the films are inspirational.

Nolan took a gamble by infusing these films with socio-political and cultural themes. It payed off in TDK and it's more than likely going to pay off in TDKR.


Oh definitely, but remember this was being described as 'Not your Dad's Star Wars' by several box office sites. In many ways, it's no different than TDKR.

Batman is a comic book property that attracts kids, teens and adults till this day. It'll be no different here.

Great points. Fully agreed.

 

[Iceman]

BB and TDK are escapism enough for me and they are also so much more than JUST that.

Agreed. A $200m & a $500m film!! t: (I love them both)

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I just want to point out how lucky we are to have Avenger and Batman movies that are both are critically praised and mega-blockbusters in the same year.

Even Spider-man is likely to get good reviews and over 800 m worldwide.

This is the best year ever for superhero movies. Try and enjoy the ride.

 

[The Morningstar]

I just want to point out how lucky we are to have Avenger and Batman movies that are both are critically praised and mega-blockbusters in the same year.

Even Spider-man is likely to get good reviews and over 800 m worldwide.

This is the best year ever for superhero movies. Try and enjoy the ride.

We don't know if TDKR and ASM will be critically acclaimed just yet. They both have good directors, so there is every chance they will be.

But yea, this could be the biggest box office year ever. There could be at least 3 billion dollar movies this year.

 

[Iceman]

Batman is a comic book property that attracts kids, teens and adults till this day. It'll be no different here.

On kids what age kid would you take to TDK? I think most of that film's strengths are completely lost on kids and also not sure I'd want my own kid (I don't have one btw) seeing that until somewhere around 11/12 (depending on maturity). Avengers has one or two unpleasant scenes for kids but if you've seen it before and know when to cover up I would take a very young kid. (As long as they can cope with [BLACKOUT]Helicarrier mad Hulk[/BLACKOUT])