2012: A Monster Year? (box office predictions) - Part 4

[Marvin]

I think this boils down for your dislike for Nolan's interpretation of the Batman character. I think Anne did steal the show because while she played the femme fatale (and the more modern version where she is neither good nor evil, but gray, as opposed to the evil seductresses of the original form), she did it more memorably for me than anyone since, ironically, Kim Basinger in LA Confidential. Yes that role has appeared in X-Men movies, Daredevil, Iron Man 2/The Avengers and....ugh...Die Another Day, but those are all forgettable. I only even remembered the last one because you mentioned it.

Hathaway took a well-worn archetype and made it fresh, playful, entertaining and most of all believable. The others I listed for the most part were either campy or designated for sex appeal to teenage boys. I believed Hathaway's character was a real person and that is enough to make her stand out. It also helps I prefer a Catwoman who helps Batman to one who wants to kill him.

...And it helps that I like Nolan's take on the main character, large supporting Bat-family and all.

Just saying.

Anne being written a better interpretation of Catwoman than the character has been given in the past doesn't really do that much for me. It's similar to Nolans Bat's. The joy of seeing a serious take has faded in light of the take I see in the books I choose to champion. I don't think nolan did a bad job with her by any means. I was stating my confusion as to the idea that this is another show stopping scene stealer like the previous film. No, everyone involved simply did a solid job and to that end I'm personally not to taken.

I do agree, a lot of this stems from my overall opinion of the nolanverse. I have feeling if Nolan were to make a film about his new robin it would be more of the same middle of the road stuff, whereas Dick Grayson is another one of these amazing individuals.

As much as I liked this film, I took a particular interest Harry Knowles review.

 

[MadVillainy]

How do you guys think TOtal Recall will do.

Personally I think it's gonna underperform/disappoint. But it looks like a pretty good movie

 

[DACrowe]

425mill is okay if it gets there i think alot of people were expecting it to beat the dark knights 533mill domestic take with all the hype.also with the success of the avengers it seem like a lock before it came out

425 would be great. Yeah, I did think it had a shot at beating TDK or at least crossing $500 million. How much of it is WOM being it's not as good as TDK (because does that really keep audiences away when franchises decrease in quality like X3 did on a much bigger scale or the general mediocrity of the tF films?) and how much of it is the awful tragedy in Colorado (I know people who still refuse to go see it), we'll never know.

Oh well.

 

[DACrowe]

Anne being written a better interpretation of Catwoman than the character has been given in the past doesn't really do that much for me. It's similar to Nolans Bat's. The joy of seeing a serious take has faded in light of the take I see in the books I choose to champion. I don't think nolan did a bad job with her by any means. I was stating my confusion as to the idea that this is another show stopping scene stealer like the previous film. No, everyone involved simply did a solid job and to that end I'm personally not to taken.

I do agree, a lot of this stems from my overall opinion of the nolanverse. I have feeling if Nolan were to make a film about his new robin it would be more of the same middle of the road stuff, whereas Dick Grayson is another one of these amazing individuals.

As much as I liked this film, I took a particular interest Harry Knowles review.

To each their own. I don't think anyone is saying Hathaway's Catwoman is on par with Ledger's Joker. And that is not an insult to Miss Hathaway, considering I think Ledger's Joker is going to be one of cinema's most iconic characters and among great villains like Darth Vader, Hannibal Lecter, Norman Bates, the Bela Lugosi Dracula, and the shark in Jaws.

But if we are just talking about the performance in its own right in its own movie, I thought she was stellar and stole the show in TDKR. I do not think she created one of the greatest screen characters of all time, but it was still a great performance, in my opinion.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

425mill is okay if it gets there i think alot of people were expecting it to beat the dark knights 533mill domestic take with all the hype.also with the success of the avengers it seem like a lock before it came out

The moment what happened in Colorado happened... it cast such shadow over the film it still hasn't been able to overcome despite the overall great reviews and good word of mouth.

$425M isn't an OK number. Its a great number given these circumstances.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

It's amazing how obvious that is now. Try saying such a thing month ago and no one was having it.

I think it was always obvious. People were just in denial. As I said earlier, the two most successful Batman films had The Joker AND a high-profile actor playing the role. TDKR has Bane, whose not mainstream at all, and Tom Hardy whose not a celebrity. The film is a major success, but to surpass TDK they needed extra ammunition.

 

[danoyse]

The moment what happened in Colorado happened... it cast such shadow over the film it still hasn't been able to overcome despite the overall great reviews and good word of mouth.

$425M isn't an OK number. Its a great number given these circumstances.

I was talking with someone about the movie tonight, and she said after what happened last week, she wasn't sure if she still wanted to see it. It's definitely affected the movie, which is unfortunate. Trivial, when compared to what happened, but still unfortunate.

But I'm seeing it again this week.

 

[warhorse78]

I was talking with someone about the movie tonight, and she said after what happened last week, she wasn't sure if she still wanted to see it. It's definitely affected the movie, which is unfortunate. Trivial, when compared to what happened, but still unfortunate.

But I'm seeing it again this week.

Just got back from a party tonight, and it was at a night club, where I met many other people there, and it was typical of them to say, they wanted to see TDKR, but not after the shooting. A few people also fear that the movies are now cursed, because first Ledger, and now this. After hearing this, while I would love them to continue this story with John Blake and Selina, I have a sinking feeling people will be skeptical about going.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Well things are looking up for TDKR per new updates per deadline.

There was +42% jump from friday to saturday the olympics obviously had an effect. It will also become the 3rd fastest film to gross 300m after only the avengers and TDK. So i think we can put out to rest the idea that the film will not even crack 400m.

The Watch and Step up 4 are bombing horribly though both expected to debut in the low teens.

 

[MadVillainy]

Step Up 4 had a bad release date I think.
The Watch Im kinda surprised because everyone I know thought it looked funny. On RT 70% of audience liked it

 

[:eek:]

Well things are looking up for TDKR per new updates per deadline.

There was +42% jump from friday to saturday the olympics obviously had an effect. It will also become the 3rd fastest film to gross 300m after only the avengers and TDK. So i think we can put out to rest the idea that the film will not even crack 400m.

The Watch and Step up 4 are bombing horribly though both expected to debut in the low teens.

Why some people think it won't make $400 million is beyond me. I mean, The Hunger Games made it, even if it had a slightly smaller opening weekend than TDKR and an almost 62% drop the second weekend.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

The Hunger Games opened huge, followed by a big second weekend drop... and then just held like glue due to solid word of mouth and ****** competition. It being a great movie helped too.

Looks like $450M is back in play for The Dark Knight Rises. Good.

 

[mclay18]

Phew. I'm glad the movie bounced back after a big Friday drop... so the Olympics opening ceremony did affect it.

 

[:eek:]

Sunday Update: Warner Bros. estimates that The Dark Knight Rises will take in $64.075 million during its sophomore frame, pushing its domestic total to $289.086 million. International numbers will be in a bit later today.

 

[terry78]

Well, the final slew of big summer takes place in August with Recall, Bourne and Expendales.

 

[dark_b]

I'm sure the Olympics hurt the movie on Friday more than anything else. I expect it to bounce back over the weekend and do better than 55mil. Do I think that the theater shooting effected it's opening weekend? Sure but theater shooting or not it was never going to out gross the Avengers. Also I keep hearing people say it but I do not think that the word of mouth was as good as TDK's. Period. I think it's good but not to that level.

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i agree. i also think a small reason is that TDKR feels like a very safe movie. a 100% crowd pleaser IMO. not that this is bad. its a summer superhero movie.

i think TDKR is the safest movie in Nolan's career like Avatar was in Cameron's. SHH can complain about avatar for 2 pages. i dont care. TDKR was not good enough for Nolan.

 

[rayc1971]

425 would be great. Yeah, I did think it had a shot at beating TDK or at least crossing $500 million. How much of it is WOM being it's not as good as TDK (because does that really keep audiences away when franchises decrease in quality like X3 did on a much bigger scale or the general mediocrity of the tF films?) and how much of it is the awful tragedy in Colorado (I know people who still refuse to go see it), we'll never know.

Oh well.

yeah we will never know but it did bounce back sat from fri low numbers i guess because of opening ceremonies.

 

[rayc1971]

Well, the final slew of big summer takes place in August with Recall, Bourne and Expendales.

im telling you right now colin ferrel and a 200mill budget is disaster.bourne will do good i think so will expendables2 the watch is a bomb.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I just sat the budget for The Watch? Really? $68 Million? Attack the Block, a similar movie cost only $13 million and it's better.

 

[HighFivingMF]

I just sat the budget for The Watch? Really? $68 Million? Attack the Block, a similar movie cost only $13 million and it's better.

Attack the Block didn't have to pay Ben Stiller, Jonah Hill, and Vince Vaughn.

 

[jacobed]

Attack the Block didn't have to pay Ben Stiller, Jonah Hill, and Vince Vaughn.

Which is why its good

 

[DACrowe]

i agree. i also think a small reason is that TDKR feels like a very safe movie. a 100% crowd pleaser IMO. not that this is bad. its a summer superhero movie.

i think TDKR is the safest movie in Nolan's career like Avatar was in Cameron's. SHH can complain about avatar for 2 pages. i dont care. TDKR was not good enough for Nolan.

Really? Surely you thought it was better than Insomnia.

I actually disagree with it being a safe movie. Doing a superhero film where the hero is broken and trapped in a prison literally called the Pit for half an hour of the film is pretty ballsy. Also, TDKR is the only film I can think of to ever really try to make a logical and plausible case for a modern American city becoming a post-Apocalyptic ruin run by a warlord who has somehow managed to keep the US government out while he goes French Revolution on the wealthy. Granted, some may not think Nolan succeeded in making that scenario feel authentic. But it was a far more ambitious and risk-taking approach to the superhero genre than BB was, which at the end of the day is your standard origin formula. I think it is the best superhero origin movie ever. But it still follows the formula of SM1 and STM and films like IM1 an Captain America would follow after it.

 

[DACrowe]

I just sat the budget for The Watch? Really? $68 Million? Attack the Block, a similar movie cost only $13 million and it's better.

Shawn Levy producing who did those Museum movies for Fox. They thought they'd get Stiller back and put in a bunch of all-stars, pay them a lot and then get them to just riff the whole movie. Turns out a screenplay may have been needed.

 

[dark_b]

Really? Surely you thought it was better than Insomnia.

I actually disagree with it being a safe movie. Doing a superhero film where the hero is broken and trapped in a prison literally called the Pit for half an hour of the film is pretty ballsy. Also, TDKR is the only film I can think of to ever really try to make a logical and plausible case for a modern American city becoming a post-Apocalyptic ruin run by a warlord who has somehow managed to keep the US government out while he goes French Revolution on the wealthy. Granted, some may not think Nolan succeeded in making that scenario feel authentic. But it was a far more ambitious and risk-taking approach to the superhero genre than BB was, which at the end of the day is your standard origin formula. I think it is the best superhero origin movie ever. But it still follows the formula of SM1 and STM and films like IM1 an Captain America would follow after it.

i did use the word safe in the beginning. but i meant with that that it was a crowd pleaser. i used the word ''safest'' for Nolan.

TDKR is to me still a fantastic movie. and it will pay money for a second ticket. so Nolan will get two tickets for me. but i still think that its the safest movie he has ever done. and i get it. the guy was under preassure to make a trilogy where the last movie is not the worst. so the last 2 minutes of the movie had to be explained in the middle of the movie so that every human on this planet gets it.
IMO not good enough for Nolan. Inception was just way to good.

 

[Call Me Darkman]

Well things are looking up for TDKR per new updates per deadline.

There was +42% jump from friday to saturday the olympics obviously had an effect. It will also become the 3rd fastest film to gross 300m after only the avengers and TDK. So i think we can put out to rest the idea that the film will not even crack 400m.

The Watch and Step up 4 are bombing horribly though both expected to debut in the low teens.

Who said it wouldn't surpass $400 million domestic??? What we're doubting is $500 million domestic. 2 weeks ago, most people thought it would surpass Dark Knight's $533 million domestic gross.