2012 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

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The inductees

Performers:

Guns N' Roses
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Donovan
Laura Nyro
The Small Faces / The Faces
Beastie Boys

Early Influences: Freddie King
Sideman: Don Kirshner, Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd, Glyn Johns

http://rockhall.com/inductees
 
meh. donovan is great. i never got into the small faces, but i get it, so thats cool. love the beastie boys. guns n roses are awful and should never be allowed near an instrument again. as for red hot chili peppers, i will defer to my favorite neil hamburger joke...

Q: What's the one thing worse than 9/11?
A: [blackout]the new red hot chili peppers album[/blackout]
 
guns n roses are awful and should never be allowed near an instrument again.

Guns n roses are good to listen to if you want to listen to some basic straight forward exciting rock and roll played very well, as Nick Kent described their music, 'pig-iron rock and roll', haha.
They absolutely murder Led Zepplin... Sweet Child of Mine murders Stairway to Heaven... Welcome to the Jungle murders Whole Lotta Love...Paradise City murders Kashmir....Locomotive murders Rock n roll....Led Zep sound like pompus twits compared to the street wise attitude of Guns N Roses.
They just play it with far more enthusiasm and authenticity.
I guess you probably don't like Led Zep either, but I hate how one band is venerated by a wide spectrum of rock fans, whereas the other is looked upon as a bit of an embaressment by eh, hipsters, haha, for lack of a better word.
Sure, there are dodgy characters in the band, but no moreso than the members of Led Zep, hell, they might even have displayed worse behaviour than gnr.

but aye, good to see the beastie boys on the list, never listened to Donovan bar Season of the witch, never got into the Small Faces either, had that Ogden's Nut Gone Flake album, but i sold it for booze, Red Hot chilli peppers, eh, they depress the hell out of me, can't listen to em.
 
I have a feeling that Axl Rose and the other original members of GnR won't agree to appear on the stage at the same time to perform, considering the ugly breakup that the band had.
 
He will obviously be performing with whatever line up of GnR is on the go right now.
Unless of course, he changes the line up before then, given the ce-razee band member switcheroos he has been known for in the past. haha
 
Guns n roses are good to listen to if you want to listen to some basic straight forward exciting rock and roll played very well, as Nick Kent described their music, 'pig-iron rock and roll', haha.
They absolutely murder Led Zepplin... Sweet Child of Mine murders Stairway to Heaven... Welcome to the Jungle murders Whole Lotta Love...Paradise City murders Kashmir....Locomotive murders Rock n roll....Led Zep sound like pompus twits compared to the street wise attitude of Guns N Roses.
They just play it with far more enthusiasm and authenticity.
I guess you probably don't like Led Zep either, but I hate how one band is venerated by a wide spectrum of rock fans, whereas the other is looked upon as a bit of an embaressment by eh, hipsters, haha, for lack of a better word.
Sure, there are dodgy characters in the band, but no moreso than the members of Led Zep, hell, they might even have displayed worse behaviour than gnr.

but aye, good to see the beastie boys on the list, never listened to Donovan bar Season of the witch, never got into the Small Faces either, had that Ogden's Nut Gone Flake album, but i sold it for booze, Red Hot chilli peppers, eh, they depress the hell out of me, can't listen to em.

I really have no problem with Guns and Roses. They took enough heroin to be in the Hall. But your assessment of one of the greatest bands of all time is ghastly.

Guns doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence as Zeppelin.


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I think Led Zep are alright, I'll listen to a song of theirs every now and again, I just think they're a bit pretentious and pompous sounding a lot of the time.
and as I was saying, I was mainly talking about how it's a bit annoying to see them so venerated, by all sorts of fans, from metal heads to the hipsters, whereas Guns N roses are looked upon as an embaressment by some of those same people. When the truth is, they were just as bad, if not worse, in their personal lives than the GnR members.
Because a lot of the disdain for Guns n roses comes from folk not liking them personally, the actual members. That's what i see a lot of when folk slag them off anyway.
But, I guess Led Zep went to great lengths to cover stuff up, as they are precious about their rep and certain truths getting out, they were the only band who threatened Nick Kent with a lawsuit when he was penning his book 'the Dark stuff', and whose chapter was ommitted as a result, whereas there was all sorts of stuff about the crazy personal lives of rock bands in there, Brian Wilson, Syd Barrett, Guns N roses, The Stooges...
 
Guns n roses are good to listen to if you want to listen to some basic straight forward exciting rock and roll played very well, as Nick Kent described their music, 'pig-iron rock and roll', haha.
They absolutely murder Led Zepplin... Sweet Child of Mine murders Stairway to Heaven... Welcome to the Jungle murders Whole Lotta Love...Paradise City murders Kashmir....Locomotive murders Rock n roll....Led Zep sound like pompus twits compared to the street wise attitude of Guns N Roses.
They just play it with far more enthusiasm and authenticity.
I guess you probably don't like Led Zep either, but I hate how one band is venerated by a wide spectrum of rock fans, whereas the other is looked upon as a bit of an embaressment by eh, hipsters, haha, for lack of a better word.
Sure, there are dodgy characters in the band, but no moreso than the members of Led Zep, hell, they might even have displayed worse behaviour than gnr.

but aye, good to see the beastie boys on the list, never listened to Donovan bar Season of the witch, never got into the Small Faces either, had that Ogden's Nut Gone Flake album, but i sold it for booze, Red Hot chilli peppers, eh, they depress the hell out of me, can't listen to em.

i quite like zeppelin a lot. they're not one of my fav's, and i think they're slightly overrated, but they have some damn good songs. their first 4 albums are amazing. they went kinda down hill after that. but regardless, they blow away guns n roses.

but despite all that, i dont see the point in specifically comparing those two bands. im judging guns n roses on their own merit (or lack there of). zeppelin has nothing to do with it.
 
Damn, awesome to see Donovan and The Small Faces get some love, specifically the latter. I've loved them for a long time now, one of my favorite bands of the 60's, highly creative with maybe my favorite front man of all time, Steve Marriot, who had more presence in his little finger than Plant or Daltrey.:o
 
Damn, awesome to see Donovan and The Small Faces get some love, specifically the latter. I've loved them for a long time now, one of my favorite bands of the 60's, highly creative with maybe my favorite front man of all time, Steve Marriot, who had more presence in his little finger than Plant or Daltrey.:o

I don't like the Who either, a couple of songs are ok now and again when they come on the radio, but I wouldn't ever feel like listening to their records.

They used to play songs from that Small Face's Ogden Nut's Flake album a lot at our art school and in the hip music pubs in Glasgow, I recall I got to the point where I thought I was the only one that their twee rock act grated on, but one night in the pub i was sitting with this girl Marion who i really fancied, and we both discovered that the same Small Faces song, Tin soldier, totally did our heads in, haha, as we complained about it when they played it in the pub.
Aye, i found that whole album to be very twee to the point of annoying, so i sold it.
I did like the song Itchycoo Park, which was not on that album, but i used to have this video of a collection of performances by various bands from the late 60s , and my friends and I would always watch it. The first time we watched it(my pal's tape, i got a copy) we were all tripping and ended up in hysterics at Marriot and co performing Ichycoo Park cause they were dressed up in really daft looking 60s granny takes a trip type clothes, with amazingly sculpted bowl cuts, doing these sychronised kicks looking like they were a bunch of children's tv presenters who had formed a band, haha, I mean, they really looked daft in that performance, so I guess that some kind of front man presence registered with me there.
 
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Ogden's was a pretty great album, but their best was There Are But Four Small Faces, which had Itchycoo Park on it. Had a bit of everything, pure rock and roll, some blues, some psychedelia. Great stuff.

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Marriot at his absolute best.
 
Damn, awesome to see Donovan and The Small Faces get some love, specifically the latter. I've loved them for a long time now, one of my favorite bands of the 60's, highly creative with maybe my favorite front man of all time, Steve Marriot, who had more presence in his little finger than Plant or Daltrey.:o

i like zeppelin more than the small faces, but marriott was definitely the best vocalist/performer of the two bands.

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Marriot at his absolute best.

pure awesomeness :up:
 
i like zeppelin more than the small faces, but marriott was definitely the best vocalist/performer of the two bands.

Neither of them do much for me, I like a good nutter who cuts loose with the full on passionate performance onstage, Axl, Morrison, Hendrix, Iggy...I recall in Iggy's autobio he said when he was going out with Nico she gave him this piece of advice 'Jimmee...no-van vants to see thee persun when you go onstage, they vant to see zee performancer...'
and she's right, those guys went on thier trip onstage, reaching right into themselves and brought out the subconcious.
as Jon Savage said in his book 'England's Dreaming', the doors were rock music's first journey into the subconcious...and Iggy picked up on that, going right into himself and acting on pure instinct, getting right into his primal nature...Lou Reed was doing great things bringing some literature to rock, but he was a terrible frontman, he was very jealous of Iggy in that regard(as noted by Nick Kent in his article on Lou when he interviewed him in the early 70s, Lou even trying to copy Iggy onstage during his 'rock and roll animal' live shows when he stopped playing the guitar live and tried dancing and stuff, dying his hair blonde, to embaressing effect)....and then you had Bowie come in, who absorbed both the VU's writing, and Iggy's performing and writing, (Jean Jenie being about Iggy, Bowie said as much in his interview on Dancing in the street, the bbc doc, but quickly tried to backtrack as soon as he said it, saying , 'It's about Iggy, ...well, an Iggy type ...') as well as adopting the make-up worn by Syd Barrett onstage, and acting in other personas(much like Nico's advice to Iggy)before bringing in a stage production theatricality to rock, Bowie was an actor though, he watched those nutters and took stuff from their primal performances to work with in his act....then you had Johnny Rotten, who did the opposite of going into those type of subconcious performances of Morrison and Iggy, who would instead do the most ordinary everyday things onstage like stand and count his bus fare home, totally breaking down the barrier between performer and spectator....eh, those are the guys i like as frontmen, Morrison, Iggy, Hendrix, Lydon, Axl, I love the VU/Lou Reed and Bowie, but don't really think of them as frontmen types i like to watch necesarily in that way.
man, i forgot about James Brown, that guy could frickin dance, haha, Mick Jagger used to go watch James Brown do his thing, he got a lot from him for his performing, Jagger is very good too, quite camp and funny at times, so he had his own thing going on in that way, as well as the James Brown dancing influence.

sorry, kind of went on there, thoughts occuring as i was typing haha, i haven't had a good talk about bands in ages, i used to sit and talk about this stuff with my friends all the time.
 
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i didnt read yer whole post because....well, i dont want to right now....but, yeah, for my money Iggy is the end all be all front man. The stooges are one of my all time favorite bands. i was twice lucky when not only did i once end up on stage with the stooges, my arm around iggy, singing No Fun together, but another time i got to meet ron asheton and just talk with him for like a half hour. this was a few months before his untimely death. coolest dude ever.

but yeah, if we're talking front men in general, Iggy is the man. Rob Tyner of the MC5 killed it too. James Brown. Bo Diddley. Trent Ruane of the Mummies. Lux Interior of the Cramps. Etc...

EDIT: read the rest of yer post, ha ha. I love watching the T.A.M.I. Show where the early rolling stones had the unfortunate job of following james brown. James Brown on that show put on one of the greatest performances ever in the history of rock and roll. Then here comes the rolling stones, and white boy jagger trying to do his thing. and the stones were great, but when following that james brown performance, jagger just looked like a cheap amateur hack, ha ha.
 
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Aye, as I said, James Brown was a great dancer, I feel sorry for any uptight guy who can't cut loose and dance like that.
I can dance as well as James Brown, if I do say so myself, haha, maybe even better, I don't need to look up to these frontmen, haha, in another time and place, I was the greatest frontman who ever lived I bet, and I still have lots of moves he never did, eh, I am probably better in that respect than i was in the past as well.
hee hee
 
Big GN'R and Zeppelin fan here. Zep is the best ever. Happy to see GN'R get inducted. Ton of talent between Axl, Izzy, Slash, and Duff. Now hopefully they bury the hatchet. It's really a one-sided deal. Axl holds a grudge against Slash for some reason. Who knows, maybe Slash slept with his girlfriend/wife back in the day. Slash and Axl are both on good terms with the other three guys in the original band. Duff was always the mediator. I hope he can get Axl to agree to one performance. Just a few songs. It's the least they can do for the fans considering the amount of wealth they have accumulated from people like me buying their music over the last 25 years.
 
I really don’t get where the comparison between Zeppelin and GnR comes from. They’re completely different bands from different eras. Led Zeppelin played 70s rock and roll, heavily influenced by folk and blues. GnR played punk inspired 80s metal. The only thing you can really compare each other with is how influential they were for their times. Led Zeppelin helped pioneer, and bring to the mainstream, hard rock. Without them, the evolution of rock and metal would have taken a completely different turn. There are very few bands you could say that had as much of a role in the evolution of rock music as Zeppelin. In these terms, GnR doesn’t hold a candle to Zeppelin.

As far as the “likeability” of the people in each band… yes, they both were notorious for their drug and alcohol use, but GnR was infamous for Axl’s personality and how he treated fans and other bands. He constantly canceled shows, showed up late to concerts, fought with bands he toured with…the guy was a total egomaniac and his actions destroyed the future that GnR could have had.

I enjoy both bands greatly. GnR was one of the first rock bands that I really appreciated. They led the way to my discovery of the greats (Zep, Sabbath, etc). But in terms of influence, popularity, wide musical styling, etc, I gotta go with Zeppelin.

Also, I’m happy to see RHCP getting inducted. Blood Sugar Sex Magic was the album that made me first want to learn guitar, all those years ago. I’m not too fond of their latest album, but I definitely think they deserve their induction.
 
Also, Neil Diamond was totally shafted this year.

I'm also not too keen on having rap/hip hop artists getting nominated/inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You wouldn't see rock bands getting nominated for the Hip Hop Hall of Fame...
 
I'm also not too keen on having rap/hip hop artists getting nominated/inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. You wouldn't see rock bands getting nominated for the Hip Hop Hall of Fame...
im normally with you on this, but i think the beastie boys fit in just fine. yes, they are most notorious for hip hop. but their albums cover such a wide range of music from hip hop, rock, punk, to jazz instrumental. plus, even their hip hop work shows far more musicianship than most other popular hip hop acts.
 
No, with the Beastie Boys, I get it. But other's like LL Cool J (he was nominated), Run DMC, Grand Master Flash, and other rap/hop hop nominees...I dunno. I'm certainly not trying to squash the influence these guys have had in their respective genres, but it just doesn't sit right with me.
 
I really don’t get where the comparison between Zeppelin and GnR comes from. They’re completely different bands from different eras. Led Zeppelin played 70s rock and roll, heavily influenced by folk and blues. GnR played punk inspired 80s metal. The only thing you can really compare each other with is how influential they were for their times. Led Zeppelin helped pioneer, and bring to the mainstream, hard rock. Without them, the evolution of rock and metal would have taken a completely different turn. There are very few bands you could say that had as much of a role in the evolution of rock music as Zeppelin. In these terms, GnR doesn’t hold a candle to Zeppelin.

As far as the “likeability” of the people in each band… yes, they both were notorious for their drug and alcohol use, but GnR was infamous for Axl’s personality and how he treated fans and other bands. He constantly canceled shows, showed up late to concerts, fought with bands he toured with…the guy was a total egomaniac and his actions destroyed the future that GnR could have had.

I enjoy both bands greatly. GnR was one of the first rock bands that I really appreciated. They led the way to my discovery of the greats (Zep, Sabbath, etc). But in terms of influence, popularity, wide musical styling, etc, I gotta go with Zeppelin.

Also, I’m happy to see RHCP getting inducted. Blood Sugar Sex Magic was the album that made me first want to learn guitar, all those years ago. I’m not too fond of their latest album, but I definitely think they deserve their induction.


I would never describe GN'R as "metal." Punk-influenced? Certainly. Duff was hugely inspired by the punk movement, and it shows through in his bass with GN'R. Axl's unpredictable behavior was straight out of the Sex Pistols' playbook, and the thing is it didn't feel forced. The dude truly WAS that crazy and everyone knew it. But GN'R labeled a metal band? Nah. They are a punk-influenced hard rock band with roots in the music of Aerosmith and AC/DC far more than a metal band of any stripe. Izzy is like the Keith Richards of GN'R. He is one hell of a riffer, a hell of a songwriter too (extremely underrated), and just so freakin' laid back. Slash's guitar heroes were Jimmy Page and Joe Perry. Later on GN'R added the piano grandiosity of Elton John and Queen to their repertoire. Axl would certainly admit to being hugely influenced by those two artists.
 
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I would never describe GN'R as "metal." Punk-influenced? Certainly. Duff was hugely inspired by the punk movement, and it shows through in his bass with GN'R. Axl's unpredictable behavior was straight out of the Sex Pistols' playbook, and the thing is it didn't feel forced. The dude truly WAS that crazy and everyone knew it. But GN'R labeled a metal band? Nah. They are a punk-influenced hard rock band with roots in the music of Aerosmith and AC/DC far more than a metal band of any stripe. Izzy is like the Keith Richards of GN'R. He is one hell of a riffer, a hell of a songwriter too (extremely underrated), and just so freakin' laid back. Slash's guitar heroes were Jimmy Page and Joe Perry. Later on GN'R added the piano grandiosity of Elton John and Queen to their repertoire. Axl would certainly admit to being hugely influenced by those two artists.

No, you're right. I was thinking more in line with 80s hard rock.
 
No, you're right. I was thinking more in line with 80s hard rock.

I honestly feel like GN'R was a 1970's hard rock band trapped in the late 1980's/early 1990's. The only real difference between them and the likes of Aerosmith/Zeppelin is they had the punk-influenced bass sound and attitude. But the music itself was primarily blues-based hard rock. They had a glam look similar to the other bands on the Sunset Strip, but they sure didn't sound like a glam band. Hanoi Rocks heavily influenced the visual aspect of GN'R, but Hanoi Rocks wishes they had the talent and sound that GN'R managed to pull off.
 
I can absolutely see aerosmith, but not zeppelin.
 

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