2015 NFL Thread: More of Matt Moore!

[DarthSkywalker]

Innocent until proven guilty yes but there are many situations where circumstantial evidence has provided a guilty sentence.

Now, I read some of this Well's report last night. Very boring stuff. But what I got out of it was this. The NFL doesn't really care that the footballs were deflated. They actually knew going into the first quarter that they were. They didn't do anything about it. After halftime the 4 balls that they tested of the Colts were also under weight. Brady, while not directly implicated, did know about it. Which is why the word "probable" was used. The text messages between the two guys all but proves that.

This whole thing is ridiculous though. It's the equivalent of driving through a stop sign on a street that's never busy. It's against the law, but it's not a big deal. It's as dumb as people who think pine tar has an effect on hitting a baseball. What's messed up about the situation is Brady lying about it. I love Tom Brady as a QB. I think he's the best to ever play the position. Why he thinks he needed to do this to gain an advantage is something I can't answer. But, he needs to be suspended for trying to cover this up. I understand why, after he was caught, he didn't just admit it. He was probably scared he would have been suspended for the Superbowl. I don't blame him for lying then, but he's still sticking to the story. It's not a good look at all and if I was Goodell, I'd suspend him half the season, a fine and dock the Pat's a few draft picks. I get they weren't blamed for this but maybe they'll keep a closer eye on this kind of stuff in the future.

I agree that the problem here is Brady's reaction. Guy is still 1 of the 5 best QBs I have had the pleasure to watch play football. I am still happy they got the Seahawks in the Super Bowl.

 

[Immortalfire]

Yeah, kinda sorta maybe perhaps probably possibly conceivably I guess?

Maybe.

 

[TheBat812]

I just agree with Brady's agent on this: "This was not an independent investigation and the contents of the report bear that out -- all one has to do is read closely and critically, as opposed to simply reading headlines," Yee said. "The investigators' assumptions and inferences are easily debunked or subject to multiple interpretations. ..."

It's clear that the 'evidence' doesn't show anything on its own, but going in with an idea of what they want to achieve, they came to the conclusion they wanted to come to.

I'm not saying Brady is innocent, I'm just saying it's not a sound investigation. It's like when people go to jail because prosecutors massaged circumstantial evidence into the direction they want it to go despite having no actual facts to substantiate that.


It's also frustrating because even if he were completely guilty, it's clearly an advantage he never needed. It's like cheating when you know all the answers. It makes no sense to do it...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This isn't a court of law. Circumstantial evidence is fine here.

 

[TheBat812]

His punishment must be more severe: http://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...-to-a-year-with-the-jets?mbid=social_facebook

 

[Mister J]

Cowboys sign La'el Collins; 3Y/1.65M. Was hoping the Dolphins could make that happen. Cheap deal for what he was prospected as.

Tannehill is going to die.

 

[Immortalfire]

The Cowboys are the best rehab clinic in the league.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Cowboys are the best rehab clinic in the league.

It is an embarrassment.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Cowboys sign La'el Collins; 3Y/1.65M. Was hoping the Dolphins could make that happen. Cheap deal for what he was prospected as.

Tannehill is going to die.

We'll trade you J.Martin and Oher for James.

Damn, The Panthers were never in the mix. I get that Jerry Richardson and Dave Gettleman are still livid about Greg Hardy but Collins was never a suspect according to the cops. Oh well.

 

[HaplessHenchman]

Regarding Brady: It seems that the coverup was worse than the crime. I think a some sort of suspension and fine is due.

 

[Immortalfire]

 

[Kaleb]

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Kendall Wright & Justin Hunter's reaction to the Titan's picking Marcus Mariota

 

[mkilban2]

Immortal, how do you post tweets like that? Are you just screenshotting and cropping it or is there some way to direct insert a link to tweets on here?

 

[Immortalfire]

Immortal, how do you post tweets like that? Are you just screenshotting and cropping it or is there some way to direct insert a link to tweets on here?

That's exactly what I'm doing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Olbermann nailed it, as usual.

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[herakles]

Whether Brady was involved or not, I don't see how you punish anybody for something ruled 'probable'. Doesn't there have to be conclusive evidence of something in order to punish somebody? That's the American way, innocent until proven guilty.

The NFL isn't a court of law, the NFL doesn't have to prove anything beyond the shadow of doubt like in a regular court of law.

Brady refused to participate in the investigation so automatically the NFL is going to assume he has something to hide. At the end of the day all this is about the intend to gain an advantage. The Patriots did this before and got caught. Brady was involved and should get suspended.

 

[herakles]

OK that this is funny.

 

[Kaleb]

Knew the Jags had too good of a draft


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[Duke]

Knew the Jags had too good of a draft


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Jags can't seem to catch any sort of break.

 

[Kaleb]

@AdamSchefter
Jaguars' 1st-round pick Dante Fowler tore his ACL and is out for the season, league source tells ESPN. Just wow.

 

[Mister J]

FFS.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Spygate stuff years ago was one thing. This is so stupid, deflated damn footballs. It'll be nonstop until the beginning of the season.

Agreed....Jesus we went through this nonsense once...now we get it all over again? I wish it had been a different team so this would be the non-issue it is.

Like if it was Aaron Rodgers being busted for breaking the rules on ball pressure.

http://deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-likes-to-tamper-with-footballs-too-1680676328

Oh yeah....it makes exactly zero headlines when another QB does it. This whole thing is so fanboy driven. Kinda like when some fans tell themselves a whole group of offensive linemen just happened to start playing "great" when Emmitt Smith showed up in their lives and that's it's not a coincidence that the Cowboys could replace them at will during Emmitt's prime with no problem but suddenly lost their eye for talented linemen at the same time Emmitt started getting older. Couldn't be Emmitt, right? t:

Obviously the Pats played just fine with the normal footballs in the 2nd half of the Colts game and when they WON THE SUPER BOWL against a great defense. Sheesh....non issue.

Olbermann nailed it, as usual.

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Ok now I know it's a non-issue if Olbermann is onboard.

 

[Warhammer]

^Many people, especially Indianapolis fans, are salty as f***. That's why. Fine Brady then suspend him for one game just so this fiasco has a point. Done deal.

 

[Warhammer]

Knew the Jags had too good of a draft


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That is brutal. Mr. Dent is probably losing his s*** right now.

 

[Dr. Evil]

At most, Brady will be heavily fined. He's the NFL's Golden Boy, they won't suspend him.