2016 Primaries and Caucuses Thread - Part 1

Sanders as Clinton's running mate would destroy her ticket. Plus he is too stubborn to take such an offer anyway.

At this point, she needs to offer him something that gets him out of the race, keeps him off the ticket, and does not go into effect until after the election.

I'd say Secretary of Labor, but that won't be good enough for Bernie Sanders. She should offer him Treasury Secretary. It is the only thing that gives him enough power and attention (because make no mistake, despite his talks of altruism, that is what he is after) to placate his massive ego.

Of course, Treasury Secretary Sanders would be a disaster...so she either needs to break that promise or pray the Senate blocks him.

Perhaps she could promise to get him the vacant supreme court seat. At his age he wouldnt be in their long. And thats a position that might get him to consider dropping out, because itd give him a soap box which he seems to love. And since the GOP won't approve him we don't actually have to worry about him getting the seat. Whether he is dumb enough to fall for that...at one time I'd have said no, but now Im not so sure he is all that smart. He seems to think increasing Trump's chances of winning is going to help him accomplish his goals. He cant be that smart.
 
Perhaps she could promise to get him the vacant supreme court seat. At his age he wouldnt be in their long. And thats a position that might get him to consider dropping out, because itd give him a soap box which he seems to love. And since the GOP won't approve him we don't actually have to worry about him getting the seat. Whether he is dumb enough to fall for that...at one time I'd have said no, but now Im not so sure he is all that smart. He seems to think increasing Trump's chances of winning is going to help him accomplish his goals. He cant be that smart.

Oh, he knows exactly what he is doing. Bernie Sanders has decided that if he cannot have it no Democrat can.
 
I confess it would've been interesting to see him and Trump at each other.

I still mourn the fact that we'll never see a Sanders vs Cruz debate.

They're pretty much polar opposites.
 
Sanders would be completely castrated inside a Clinton Administration. He would become a shell of his former self.

Plus his followers would be crushed to see him become Hillary's personal stooge.
 
Jesus, Sanders really needs to get over himself and drop out. What stinks is he's got a pretty optimistic calendar ahead until California so he's going to continue this pointless campaign for at least another month. I was really holding out hope he'd lose tonight. With Cruz dropping out that may have been enough for him to suspend his campaign. Now he's got a win where he'll net maybe 10 delegates and he will pretend as if it's some kind of mandate. I was more or less okay with him staying in while Cruz was in the race but now the Republican race is pretty much decided Sanders is just making Clinton's chances worse.
 
Here is Cruz's drop out speech summed up in 10 words

God, God, Reagan, God, Reagan, Hillary and Obama, Reagan, God
 
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Sanders needs to drop out and his followers need to accept reality. At this point all he's doing is hurting the Democrats and helping Trump. And I say this as someone who voted for Sanders in the primary.

The time for this divisiveness has passed.
 
Sanders needs to drop out and his followers need to accept reality. At this point all he's doing is hurting the Democrats and helping Trump. And I say this as someone who voted for Sanders in the primary.

The time for this divisiveness has passed.

I will respond to this the same way I responded to DDS's post in the other thread (which was regarding a Change.Org petition for revolution if Sanders is somehow "cheated" out of the nomination).


I posted this last October. Its scary how accurate it has become, as Sanders continues to fall further away from the nomination and his supporters become more and more desperate.

Matt said:
The rise to prominence of Bernie Sanders scares me a bit. The man is a quack. Make no mistake about it, he is a total, complete, nutjob quack. He is the liberal Ron Paul, whose ideas sound great on paper but have no way of being practically implemented.

For all of his great ideas (which admittedly appeal to me quite a bit as his ideas a liberal's wet dream), he has yet to give a practical means of implementing them outside of "tax the one percent!" The one percenters should absolutely be paying more. But even if we tax them at a rate of 40-60 %, how much revenue will that really generate? It will not provide free education, free healthcare, reduction of the national deficit, etc, all at the same time.

Plus there is the matter of Congress. Even if Democrats won back Congress, we would be looking at deadlock the likes of which have never been seen. It would make Obama's presidency look like a beacon of presidential and congressional cooperation.

Anyone who rationally thinks about Sanders's platform/candidacy can see just how impractical it is. Yet he continues to surge. Well, I am not sure that "surge" is the right word. I think he has captivated a very vocal and loud minority, but I don't think said minority is very prominent or will carry the day when it comes to vote (much like the Ron Paul movement). But I digress, this movement is concerning.

As I said, anyone who really thinks about it can see just how impractical a lot of what he says is. Yet people DESPERATELY want to believe. And this is not the same as Obama's promises of "hope" and "change" and other intangibles. This is someone offering the disillusioned and poor the keys to the vault, so to speak.

And people are buying it. Not just dumb kids who do not know any better. Rational people are buying this, despite no logical means of implementation. Why? Because they are desperate. It is a sad statement of how desperate people in this country have become. They want to believe this nonsense. They are so desperate that they will buy any possibility of change that someone is selling them.

This is dangerous. Sanders is essentially invoking class warfare with no real exit strategy (so to speak). What happens when he loses? The millions who are desperate for his victory will feel as though they have once again been cheated out of their utopia by the one percenters and their lap dogs. Look at how people are angrily pounding their fists and claiming "MEDIA CONSPIRACY!" when one simply does not exist (see the aforementioned Salon article).

I think Sanders means well. But this is a lunatic, holding a match to a powder keg, promising things that cannot be accomplished (at least not overnight) to desperate people. This is very dangerous. It is actually quite similar to the behavior of Donald Trump.

Mind you, Clinton is no better. She is more of the same. The country desperately needs a transformative leader. There is a great deal of social and economic inequity plaguing our country. But promising desperate people EVERYTHING, with no real means to implement it is a dangerous and reckless thing to do. We need someone capable of implementing change in a tempered manner, over time. That is neither Sanders nor Clinton. Hell, that is no one in this race.

When I posted that, many folks on this very board who are now calling for Bernie to drop out and saying things very similar to post (I won't name names) basically called me an establishment lackey, said I was arrogantly projecting my opinion, etc. Hate to say I told you so...but as that petition and the behavior of his campaign and supporters in recent weeks have shown...I told ya so.
 
Quiet you establishment lackey. :o
 
Sanders needs to drop out and his followers need to accept reality. At this point all he's doing is hurting the Democrats and helping Trump. And I say this as someone who voted for Sanders in the primary.

The time for this divisiveness has passed.

I can only hope Cruz dropping out tonight pushes Sanders' win to the back of the news cycle. I'll seriously puke if the media narrative flips back to where it was before last week. Last thing I want to hear about is Sanders "momentum" and Hillary "not closing the deal".
 
I can only hope Cruz dropping out tonight pushes Sanders' win to the back of the news cycle. I'll seriously puke if the media narrative flips back to where it was before last week. Last thing I want to hear about is Sanders "momentum" and Hillary "not closing the deal".

Trump will make sure it stays at the front of the news cycle. He has been since New York, talking about how Bernie is being ignored, his voters oppressed, etc. This is brilliant strategy by Trump, as he is getting the Bernie or Bust people, if not behind him than certainly angrier toward Clinton. So angry that it will be hard to bring them back to the party come November. And rather than reject this, Bernie has embraced it and taken up the victim card.
 
One silver lining is that Bernie only won by around 4% and Hillary got 37 delegates to his 43 delegates.

So he only really netted 6 delegates.
 
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One silver lining is that Bernie only won by around 4% and Hillary got 37 delegates to his 43 delegates.

So he only really netted 6 delegates.

His own campaign manager ignored simple math last week. They are going to play this up like its a landslide despite having absolutely no path to the nomination.
 
Sanders needs to drop out and his followers need to accept reality. At this point all he's doing is hurting the Democrats and helping Trump. And I say this as someone who voted for Sanders in the primary.

The time for this divisiveness has passed.

I agree, as much as it pains me to say. I'm a Bernie supporter, but we all have to rally behind Clinton to stop Trump. And Cilnton needs to be careful not to alienate any of Bernie's supporters. She needs them.
 
If Warren dropped into this thing, I'd vote for her. The main problem with that being Massachusetts' GOP governor would select her replacement.
 
Ted Cruz is now less delusional than Bernie Sanders on his chances of winning.

If only for the time being.
 
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Hahahah is that the dude thay draws pro-gamergate ****? Jesus, craig.
 
I have no clue. I liked the message of the cartoon. As if I'm going to do a background search on a ****ing political cartoon artist. Some of you guys are more ridiculous than what you're claiming Trump is. :funny:
 
Hahahah is that the dude thay draws pro-gamergate ****? Jesus, craig.

Id never heard of him, but I googled him and this is what I found:

"Ben Garrison is an American editorial cartoonist from Montana. His stated goal is “to help raise awareness of the drift toward tyranny.” He is a self-described libertarian, though his cartoons tend to contain a strong paleoconservative streak as well. In his cartoons and writing on his blog, he has expressed strong opposition to Islam, political correctness, social justice warriors, neoconservatism, gun control, the Federal Reserve, fluoridated water, GMOs, and vaccination."

The guy sounds like a backwards ass ****heel so I wouldnt be surprised if he supported the gamergate idiocy.
 
So this is our general election:

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Whoever wins... We lose.
 

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