8.17 - Hex - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Webhead2006]

hows the review going for hex trip?

 

[triplet]

hows the review going for hex trip?

I've almost got a complete first draft, but of course it's been very busy at work, so I haven't had a chance to work on it at all today...

I hate still working on them after the next one airs, but what can I do?

*shrug*

 

[Prison Mike]

looking forward to the review for this one. I really liked the episode.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea doing that does take time and u want to have good effort in it and all that. Cant wait to see it up hopefully next week.

 

[ariellem]

I've never heard of squillions, but a googolplex is a really huge number, far bigger than a trillion.

Yeah, I know. Used generically (like by my younger one), it means anything way bigger than the calculator can handle or that can be understood/imagined/envisioned.

According to Wiki:

A googolplex is the number 10 to the 10th power and that number to the 100th power, or 10googol

History:

In 1938, Edward Kasner's nine-year-old nephew Milton Sirotta coined the term googol; Milton then proposed the further term googolplex to be "one, followed by writing zeroes until you get tired". Kasner decided to adopt a more formal definition "because different people get tired at different times and it would never do to have [the boxer champion] Carnera be a better mathematician than Dr. Einstein, simply because he had more endurance".

I knew someone's kid had made it up (took History of Math in college, among other classes in which the topic might have come up), but didn't remember the exact story. Cute! Really like the boxing/Einstein quote.

 

[avidreader]

Yeah, I know. Used generically (like by my younger one), it means anything way bigger than the calculator can handle or that can be understood/imagined/envisioned.

I thought of our discussion last night when I was watching TV. Someone said "squillions", but for the life of me I cant remember what I was watching, but I'm sure it was an Aussie program. If I think of it, I'll come back and let you know.

 

[triplet]

looking forward to the review for this one. I really liked the episode.

I'm working on it... Not getting much done hanging out with the sisters and flying it seems like all day.

I'm tired, but I'm going to work on it a bit before bed with a beer to smooth the way...

Yea doing that does take time and u want to have good effort in it and all that. Cant wait to see it up hopefully next week.

The thing is, I've almost got a complete first draft and then work was hell yesterday and I spent a lot of today in airports...

I'm glad you guys are looking forward to it. I really, really enjoyed this one, although I can see how the Chlois and Chlark fans wouldn't so much...

 

[SV Fan]

I've almost got a complete first draft, but of course it's been very busy at work, so I haven't had a chance to work on it at all today...

I hate still working on them after the next one airs, but what can I do?

*shrug*

Make sure you bash the Chlois theory for us

although I can see how the Chlois and Chlark fans wouldn't so much...

In all honesty if somebody is a Chloe fan and not deadset on her taking her cousins named or being a reporter, I am guessing they can find entertainment value on it. I thought it was a good episode overall for Chloe's character, much better then alot of episodes this season.

 

[Assassin]

I didn't say it was out of character. It was just a poorly written story, not to mention the continuity snafus he created both by destroying things from the past, plus told half the story, took half a year off, and then came back to finish the story.

Ultimately the story made no sense to the rest of the DC universe at the time.

Plus he wrote Bizarro incorrectly on several occasions through the story, and the character of the child was arbitrary.

The delay was from Kubert, not Johns nor Donner. There have been thousands of poorly written storys in comics, but at the end of the day, clarck kent is superman, he wears glasses as clark kent, and he ****s lois lane. Lois isnt his 2nd choice because he will die if he goes near Lana. Lana was his highschool thing, he got over it. He is not the "redblue blurr", Lois called him Superman after he saved her life. He can fly. His best friend was Pete, then Batman, not Pete, then Chloe, then lex, then Oliver.

Superman saves Humans from bad guys, because he fights evil, thats how he was raised, to do whats right. Clark Kent from smallville fights meteor freaks because he feels guilty, up until this season, where he's doing more that the freak of the week.

should i go on?

 

[Syncos]

The delay was from Kubert, not Johns nor Donner. There have been thousands of poorly written storys in comics, but at the end of the day, clarck kent is superman, he wears glasses as clark kent, and he ****s lois lane. Lois isnt his 2nd choice because he will die if he goes near Lana. Lana was his highschool thing, he got over it. He is not the "redblue blurr", Lois called him Superman after he saved her life. He can fly. His best friend was Pete, then Batman, not Pete, then Chloe, then lex, then Oliver.

Superman saves Humans from bad guys, because he fights evil, thats how he was raised, to do whats right. Clark Kent from smallville fights meteor freaks because he feels guilty, up until this season, where he's doing more that the freak of the week.

should i go on?

Yeah ok, In one elseworlds he landed in the Ukraine and became the hero of the USSR, and in one elseworlds he was a human who was sent to Krypton to grow up.

Lets try this one last time, to see if you can grasp it.
Smallville. Never. Claimed. To. Be. Canon.

It is an elsworlds story. Get over it.

 

[Webhead2006]

As others have pointed out it takes ideals/elements from all eras of the comics, the films, cartoon-past live action shows and makes it own spin on things.

 

[triplet]

Make sure you bash the Chlois theory for us

I don't really directly refer to that... I feel that theory is about the stupist thing ever, but I didn't feel the need to rant about it.

So I say I'm glad Chloe discovered that her life is important, even though she's not a reporter. Or something like that...

In all honesty if somebody is a Chloe fan and not deadset on her taking her cousins named or being a reporter, I am guessing they can find entertainment value on it. I thought it was a good episode overall for Chloe's character, much better then alot of episodes this season.

It's like my second favorite so far this season, I think, so I agree.

I loved it.

 

[Assassin]

Yeah ok, In one elseworlds he landed in the Ukraine and became the hero of the USSR, and in one elseworlds he was a human who was sent to Krypton to grow up.

Lets try this one last time, to see if you can grasp it.
Smallville. Never. Claimed. To. Be. Canon.

It is an elsworlds story. Get over it.

Really? did they just decide that now? because when i started watching this from day one they promised us the life of clark kent growing up before becoming superman. Have they ever said its an elseworld? because if they did, i wouldnt have watched it that day with my dad.

 

[KALEL114]

They never said the actual word "Elseworld's" , but it is a reinterpretation of the mythos.

Interview from 2001.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/gough.htm

 

[Prison Mike]

Really? did they just decide that now? because when i started watching this from day one they promised us the life of clark kent growing up before becoming superman. Have they ever said its an elseworld? because if they did, i wouldnt have watched it that day with my dad.

so you've been watching this show from day 1 thinking it would follow the mythos even though from the very first episode, it hasn't?

 

[triplet]

I'm confused why anyone watching the Pilot would have thought the show was going to be completely faithful to the mythos...

 

[Prison Mike]

I would think that the introduction of Lionel Luthor and Chloe Sullivan would have given it away that the show is a REINTERPRETATION...

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Or the fact the Clark and Lex become best friends.

 

[Webhead2006]

well that had happen in various comics you have to remember.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

well that had happen in various comics you have to remember.

Really? I thought I heard on here they were never friends? I've never read any Superman comics, so I wouldn't know.

 

[annie.j88]

i like triplets reviews.

at first, i didn't like the idea of clark and lex being buddies, but after watching it , it was quite an interesing take, almost a kinda cain and abel vibe.

added some neat drama.

 

[Assassin]

Or the fact the Clark and Lex become best friends.

That was in a few older comics...ones that my dad gave me from when he was younger..thats why the show sparked his intrest.

They can change things, thats fine, but in the end we all thought he was going to become superman, now they are milking it to the point where he's the redblue blurr? for another season? lois is his 2nd choice?its an insult to Superman fans.

 

[ironman29758]

Or the fact the Clark and Lex become best friends.

well Lex and Clark were friends the enemies in the Silver Age, post birthright/post infinitie crisis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Luthor

http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/heroes_and_villains/?hv=origin_stories/lex_luthor&p=1

From wikipedia:
In the origin story printed in Adventure Comics #271 (1962), young Lex Luthor is shown as an aspiring scientist who resides in Smallville, the hometown of Superboy. Luthor saves Superboy from a chance encounter with Kryptonite. In gratitude Superboy builds Luthor a laboratory, where weeks later he manages to create an artificial form of life. Grateful in turn to Superboy, Luthor creates an antidote for Kryptonite poisoning. However, an accidental fire breaks out in Luthor's lab. Superboy uses his super-breath to extinguish the flames, inadvertently spilling chemicals which cause Luthor to go bald;[5] in the process, he also destroys Luthor's artificial life form. Believing Superboy intentionally destroyed his discoveries, Luthor attributes his actions to jealousy and vows revenge.[10] This revised origin makes Luthor's fight with Superman a personal one, and suggests that if events had unfolded differently, Luthor might have been a more noble person. These elements were played up in various stories throughout the 1970s and 1980s, particularly in Elliot S. Maggin's novel Last Son of Krypton.[11]
Modern depictions
Superman: Birthright, a limited series written by Mark Waid in 2004, offers an alternate look at Luthor's history, including his youth in Smallville and his first encounter with Superman. The story borrows heavily from the 2001 television series Smallville,[18] which follows Clark Kent's life as a teenager and into early manhood; among the elements lifted from the show is Lex Luthor's problematic relationship with his wealthy father, Lionel. Birthright also reinvents the Silver Age concept of Luthor befriending Clark Kent as a young man. During a failed attempt to communicate with Krypton, an explosion erupts which singes off Luthor's hair.[19][20] Waid's original intention was to jettison the notion of Lex Luthor being an evil businessman, restoring his status as a mad scientist. However, he ultimately conceded that the CEO Luthor would be easier for readers to recognize. In Birthright, Luthor remains a wealthy corporate magnate; in contrast to Byrne's characterization, however, LexCorp is founded upon Luthor's study of extraterrestrial life, thereby providing a link between himself and Superman.[18][21] In the retrospective section of the Superman: Birthright trade paperback, Waid explains:
“Despite my own personal predjudices, I say we leave Lex the criminal businessman he's been for the past 17 years. The Lois & Clark producers liked it, the WB cartoon guys liked it... so clearly, it works on some level. My concern is that, at least in my eyes, the fact that Luthor's allowed to operate uncontested for years makes Superman look ineffectual.[22]”
Birthright was initially intended to establish a new origin for Superman and Luthor.[23] However, the canonicity of the series was eventually discredited by stories which followed it, to Waid's disappointment.[24] A concise biography for Luthor, later outlined in Action Comics #850, first appeared in the 2007 limited series Countdown to Final Crisis. Luthor's current origin appears to be a synthesis of aspects from the Silver Age continuity and The Man of Steel. Recent changes to the DC Comics continuity are revealed to be a result of the 2005 series Infinite Crisis, which created an alternate timeline called "New Earth".
As outlined in a backup proflie in 52, the post Action Comics #850 Lex Luthor of current "New Earth" continuity is the son of business mogul Lionel Luthor and his socialite spouse, Leticia. As shown previously in Superman: Birthright and the pre-Crisis stories, he spends part of his adolescence in Smallville, Kansas. It is here that Luthor comes into acquaintance with Clark Kent, Lana Lang, and Pete Ross. He is described as having left Smallville "under a cloud of rumor and suspicion." He later resurfaces in Metropolis and founds LexCorp. Luthor's rise to the Presidency and his removal from office are also recounted in this biography, however contrary to Birthright his hair is once again shown to have naturally receded over time, as in The Man of Steel.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Or the fact the Clark and Lex become best friends.

Black Pete Ross, Asian Lana Lang, all the Kryptonite-infected mutants, Perry White's early appearance, Clark & Lana hooking up, Lex & Lana hooking up, Lois coming to Smallville, humanoid Bariniac, humanoid Doomsday-stop me any time.

 

[ironman29758]

Black Pete Ross, Asian Lana Lang, all the Kryptonite-infected mutants, Perry White's early appearance, Clark & Lana hooking up, Lex & Lana hooking up, Lois coming to Smallville, humanoid Bariniac, humanoid Doomsday-stop me any time.

Lex and Lana hooking up-superman tas
brainiac as kryptonian/looking humniod: superman tas, read Geof John thinking of brainiac as a parasite and Brainiac being milton fine post crisis,
doomsday as a kryptonian(like comics) and human form is camoflauge
lois and Perry meeting clark early:

from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy_(Kal-El)
Early on, the Superboy feature became a platform for backdating first meetings between Superman and members of his supporting cast, nearly always contradicting previously established continuity. Thus, Superboy first meets Perry White in a 1947 story (Adventure Comics #120), and in the following year, meets Lois Lane (Adventure Comics #128), years after the adult Clark Kent had first met his fellow Daily Planet staffers in Superman stories. In a similar vein, Kal-El later meets toddler Jimmy Olsen (Adventure Comics #216, 1955) while still Superboy.

stop me anytime
plus this is a reinterpretation/ultimate marvel/elseworlds things which takes things from various forms or media from comics to live action to cartoon to movies(thank you for Webhead2006 Hex post #486 for reading my posts about this topic as well as other people posts and this explains black pete, asian Lana, meteor freaks which kinds uses influence from comics if you think about Livewire, Conduit, Kryptonite Man and Titano the Super-Ape)