94th Annual Academy Awards

[NotNickFury]

I wonder why they choose April as a release date. This is more art cinema than a blockbuster, a fall date would fit better for it and it felt fresh for the voting.

I mean, Black Panther came out in February and got a bunch of nominations- though I guess I could partially blame some of those on Disney wanting to pump it up. Not to mention Blue Jasmine came out in August, still relatively early, but Cate Blanchett still went on to win Best Actress. This could get lost in the shuffle, but hopefully it remains in the voters' mind come voting time.

Though I maintain that Dafoe deserved a nomination for The Lighthouse...

 

[Boom]

Though I maintain that Dafoe deserved a win for The Lighthouse...

Fixed.

At least the Spirit Awards knew what they were doing.

 

[NotNickFury]

Fixed.

At least the Spirit Awards knew what they were doing.

Also true. I believe the Academy wasn't fond of his lobster

 

[Boom]

Let's be clear, the lobster monologue alone kicks the ever-living **** out of every other Best Supporting Actor performance that year. In their entireties.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Fixed.

At least the Spirit Awards knew what they were doing.

Dafoe in The Lighthouse, Jonathan Majors in Last Black Man in San Francisco and Kang-Ho Song in Parasite ran circles around all the actual nominees that year. Across the board, 2019 had a catastrophic lineup of noms for such a strong year of movies. No Uncut Gems? No The Farewell? No Eddie Murphy?

 

[Boom]

Dafoe in The Lighthouse, Jonathan Majors in Last Black Man in San Francisco and Kang-Ho Song in Parasite ran circles around all the actual nominees that year. Across the board, 2019 had a catastrophic lineup of noms for such a strong year of movies. No Uncut Gems? No The Farewell? No Eddie Murphy?

I'd honestly have sacrificed Joaquin Phoenix for an Adam Sandler nomination and win.

And Pattinson should've been nominated for Best Actor too.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I'd honestly have sacrificed Joaquin Phoenix for an Adam Sandler nomination and win.

IMO Phoenix deserved a nom, as much as I overall didn't care for Joker. I'd have kept him and Driver and given up Pryce and Leo's spots for Sandler and Eddie Murphy. Can't comment on Banderas, because I still need to see Pain and Glory.

But yeah, that award should have gone to one of the Adams.

 

[Boom]

Pain and Glory is an extremely understated performance. I really don't want to cut Banderas, but in a lineup of Driver, Sandler, DiCaprio, Phoenix, Pattinson and even De Niro it is ****ing tough.

 

[Kane52630]

2019 was such a strong year of films. It reminds me of 2007.

 

[Sawyer]

Lmao

 

[Drizzle]

The funnier thing is that anyone who was paying attention to that during the ceremony quickly forgot about it after Will Smith slapped Chris Rock. It was meaningless in the first place but now it was truly all for nothing, Snydercult.

 

[NotNickFury]

I love how the internet went from "This fan and cheer Oscars don't mean anything" to using this 'report' as some sort of Gotcha moment, and from Umberto Gonzalez of all people. The same guy who for years clamored that the Snyder Cut didn't even exist. It's truly hilarious. More so considering this very same site wrote about what the Academy was doing to deter bots.

Perhaps those same people should just admit that it does bother them that something Snyder-related won. There'd at least be some honesty in admitting it.

 

[Tg11]

Will Smith needs to have his ass whooped and honestly had it been anyone else on that stage making that joke about Jada, would Will Smith have come up there and slapped that person? Especially if it had been Dwayne Johnson or John Cena or Jason Momoa or someone making that joke, Will wouldn't have done anything.

 

[Filmfreak]

I love how the internet went from "This fan and cheer Oscars don't mean anything" to using this 'report' as some sort of Gotcha moment, and from Umberto Gonzalez of all people. The same guy who for years clamored that the Snyder Cut didn't even exist. It's truly hilarious. More so considering this very same site wrote about what the Academy was doing to deter bots.

Perhaps those same people should just admit that it does bother them that something Snyder-related won. There'd at least be some honesty in admitting it.

No, it does mean something. For the people who went at great lengths trying to prove that there's mass demand for something that outside a small fraction of people, no one really cares in the slightest, thinking it would prove anything, even by using fake accounts and bots (if true) to get what they want. It says a lot about them.

 

[NotNickFury]

No, it does mean something. For the people who went at great lengths trying to prove that there's mass demand for something that outside a small fraction of people, no one really cares in the slightest, thinking it would prove anything, even by using fake accounts and bots (if true) to get what they want. It says a lot about them.

But an Academy source defended the categories’ merits, maintaining that only 20 votes could be cast per Twitter handle and that accounts less than a day old were banned from voting.

Considering the Academy itself already debunked the news, who should we believe? Them, or a speculative article with no basis in fact written by a guy who for years clamored that said film that won didn't exist in the first place?

Tough decision, I know. I see you said "If true," so even you don't completely buy it, but you're running with the narrative anyway just to write off the fandom. You said they used fake accounts and bots, but have nothing to base that off of besides an article that's already been debunked. Again, there's some honesty in just admitting you don't like that particular fandom.

Don't know why people can't just come out and admit that. Especially considering that if, say, No Way Home or Endgame had won, the same people using this speculative article as some sort of "Gotcha" moment would be jumping through hoops to prove that it was false.

 

[Filmfreak]

It's funny you are calling this debunked, while no one has officially made any statement regarding this. An unnamed "Academy source" is most certainly not "the Academy itself" and "defended the categories’ merits, maintaining that only 20 votes could be cast per Twitter handle and that accounts less than a day old were banned from voting" is not suggesting that it didn't happen, it's only adding parameters as to why it might have been more difficult than some might think.

I'm not running with any narrative. I haven't seen anything official saying it is or it isn't true, so as to make up my mind. I can very well buy that it happened, but I'm not taking it for granted, unless there's more info or confirmation on the matter.

What I said that might not have been clear was, bots or no bots, fans went at great length to prove there was general demand for something that clearly hasn't been for many years. Having a small loyal fanbase supporting something is different than having a big fanbase that cares for it. Believing that Army of the Dead, one of the most forgettable films in recent times, was the fan-favourite #1 of last year is laughable. The same goes for thinking that the majority of people found the Flash scene, shown in a movie that wasn't even seen by that many people, the most iconic in cinematic history, surpassing the Matrix bullet dodge, amongst others.

It wasn't just Snyder fans that went at great lengths to try to make a point, there were also the Depp fans. Minaramata, a film that only few people are even aware of its existsance, was one of the other final contenders of the same race. Also Cinderella for some reason. Sorry, but people who have the more free time and desire to do anything to prove that their favourite is number one and that more people care about it than they actually do, doesn't mean anything to me. And if the bot thing is true, it once again shows how much fanaticism exists in some places of fandom. Not that it'd be anything new regarding some Snyder followers.

 

[Prison Mike]

Oh man what did these Snyder fans do to you guys lol

 

[NotNickFury]

It's funny you are calling this debunked, while no one has officially made any statement regarding this. An unnamed "Academy source" is most certainly not "the Academy itself" and "defended the categories’ merits, maintaining that only 20 votes could be cast per Twitter handle and that accounts less than a day old were banned from voting" is not suggesting that it didn't happen, it's only adding parameters as to why it might have been more difficult than some might think.

I'm not running with any narrative. I haven't seen anything official saying it is or it isn't true, so as to make up my mind. I can very well buy that it happened, but I'm not taking it for granted, unless there's more info or confirmation on the matter.

What I said that might not have been clear was, bots or no bots, fans went at great length to prove there was general demand for something that clearly hasn't been for many years. Having a small loyal fanbase supporting something is different than having a big fanbase that cares for it. Believing that Army of the Dead, one of the most forgettable films in recent times, was the fan-favourite #1 of last year is laughable. The same goes for thinking that the majority of people found the Flash scene, shown in a movie that wasn't even seen by that many people, the most iconic in cinematic history, surpassing the Matrix bullet dodge, amongst others.

It wasn't just Snyder fans that went at great lengths to try to make a point, there were also the Depp fans. Minaramata, a film that only few people are even aware of its existsance, was one of the other final contenders of the same race. Also Cinderella for some reason. Sorry, but people who have the more free time and desire to do anything to prove that their favourite is number one and that more people care about it than they actually do, doesn't mean anything to me. And if the bot thing is true, it once again shows how much fanaticism exists in some places of fandom. Not that it'd be anything new regarding some Snyder followers.

"I can't stand that something Snyder-related won" would be a much simpler way to condense this, really. That's what it boils down to. You once again say you're not running with any narrative, but continue to parrot the "if the bot thing is true." You're careful to add that "if" qualifier because you don't to end up repeating something that's already been proven false. Or maybe you just believe it to be true, even though you say you're not running with any narrative.

I know it's common for people who aren't fans of Snyder or his work to let him still live rent free in their heads, but at least some people can admit that. Not everyone though, apparently. But okay. No one's saying you can't believe Umberto Gonzalez's unfounded claim. A claim that, by the way, you'll notice he's deleted from his Twitter. I wonder why that is.

 

[Filmfreak]

I clarified to you what I meant and yet you still want to maintain a preconceived notion of what me and anyone else who dares to say anything negative about Snyder and the Oscar audience voting comes from. Even though I explicitly told you that my comments have less to do with bots and more to do with overly dedicated people who vote time and again to try to prove that movies hardly anyone cares for are the most popular. I even gave other examples of that. The bot thing would only enforce on why I found the idea behind multiple votes and accounts via Twitter ridiculous.

My only issue is with people trying to make something more than it actually is. A very small loyal fan base that wants to prove is large enough that the studio must feel obliged to restore a universe that general audience or even the actors themselves don't give two damns about anymore. You already have made up your mind that the reporting is false, with no actual evidence to suggest that it did or didn't happen, you are spreading misinformation regarding the debunking of it, you made up your mind that I somehow fall into a category of a hater that is, I guess, jealous of Snyder's success and yet you ironically think you're not the prejudiced one here.

 

[henzINNIT]

It's utterly perfect that Snyder won those categories, for two reasons:

1.) It spoiled an obvious ploy by ABC to get Spider-Man some oscar buzz, and showed that those in charge still don't understand how involving the internet always leads to anarchy.

2.) It's a hilarious exclamation mark to the Snyder phenomenon, and for a fan-base largely indistinguishable from internet trolls. It's a joke to everyone but the cult.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[antsman41]

Will Smith confirming he owns a white suit, a white couch, and loves to slop up his steaks.

 

[samsnee]

It took 6 months for this?

 

[MadVillainy]

That's crazy I was just at the barbershop yesterday and King Richard was playing and I started wondering when Will was gonna come back.

As for the video itself: I'm surprised it wasn't a Red Table Talk but I'm sure that's coming later. In any case, this was what you expect just a deeper apology and whatnot. Nice of him to apologize to Chris' mother.

But yeah mostly a whole lotta nothing. But this just reminds me how dumb people, including in this thread, people were about the whole thing.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for Will Smith to apologize for not making Shark Tale 2

 

[Drizzle]

Why did he wait so long to apologize? Either way, he didn't have to send that out to anyone except for Chris Rock.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for Will Smith to apologize for not making Shark Tale 2

I'm still waiting for him to apologize for making the first Shark Tale.