A day without mexicans!!!!

War Lord said:
You could try reading the article if you haven't already. All that glitters in China is not necessarily gold.
It is and according to most of the books I've read it going to stay that way.

Thanks to business America's being outstripped by even "third world" countries. This year Brazil is going to have ethanol run cars.
 
dcbmp said:
????? You mean search engines are made out of thin air?

Excuse my potential ignorance but I thought all you needed for a search engine was a giant server...or maybe a few giant servers. I guess Google could have thier own made but they could easily just use some made by other companies...and maybe a montitor and such so programmers can design the website layout. I just don't see what they would need to be manufactured en masse and regularly.
 
dcbmp said:
It is and according to most of the books I've read it going to stay that way.

Thanks to business America's being outstripped by even "third world" countries. This year Brazil is going to have ethanol run cars.
All your sexy booties are belong to Brazil
 
War Lord said:
I believe it.

The spelling is so obvious.
Wuts rong wit my spellink yu dang Cananananananananadeeeeeeahhnnn? :mad:
 
KingOfDreams said:
Excuse my potential ignorance but I thought all you needed for a search engine was a giant server...or maybe a few giant servers. I guess Google could have thier own made but they could easily just use some made by other companies...and maybe a montitor and such so programmers can design the website layout. I just don't see what they would need to be manufactured en masse and regularly.
So that way the people in China see only what the government wants them to see....with anyone searching "freedom now" or "I hate China" being tracked down.
 
dcbmp said:
It is and according to most of the books I've read it going to stay that way.

Thanks to business America's being outstripped by even "third world" countries. This year Brazil is going to have ethanol run cars.

Most authors often write these books after the fact. Too often, they don't see the small things that become significant later on.

It doesn't mean that those authors you read about are incorrect, but those same kind of authors have been predicting the death of the US economy for the last 50 years.
 
dcbmp said:
So that way the people in China see only what the government wants them to see....with anyone searching "freedom now" or "I hate China" being tracked down.

Ah, so the factory is a ruse. Interesting. Not sure I completely believe that...but interesting.
 
War Lord said:
Most authors often write these books after the fact. Too often, they don't see the small things that become significant later on.

It doesn't mean that those authors you read about are incorrect, but those same kind of authors have been predicting the death of the US economy for the last 50 years.
I tend to believe them when it comes to China and India. All the signs say they're right (unlike the global warmists who are split 50/50).
 
Still I recommend you read The Global Class War. It IS informative and bashes Bush and the R E P U B L I C I A N S(half of you should start running to B&N or the library because of this) and Clinton and the demos.
 
dcbmp said:
I tend to believe them when it comes to China and India. All the signs say they're right (unlike the global warmists who are split 50/50).

They could be right about India always being strong, but that's because it's now a fairly free market economy with not as much government interference than it used to have. But I don't believe that will be the case with China.

You have to keep in mind that many of these same authors also predicted that the USSR would last forever and eventually bury the US or that Japan would overtake the US and become the largest economy in the world. USSR is gone and Japan is only starting to come out of a 15 year old recession.

I can't speak about India, but that article about China indicates that there's quite a bit of rot underneath the varnish.
 
War Lord said:
They could be right about India always being strong, but that's because it's now a fairly free market economy with not as much government interference than it used to have. But I don't believe that will be the case with China.

You have to keep in mind that many of these same authors also predicted that the USSR would last forever and eventually bury the US or that Japan would overtake the US and become the largest economy in the world. USSR is gone and Japan is only starting to come out of a 15 year old recession.

I can't speak about India, but that article about China indicates that there's quite a bit of rot underneath the varnish.
Still

From "The Global Class War"

THE CHINA PRICE

The emergence of China, with its virtually unlimited supply of cheap labor and a government that is dedicated to keeping it that way is a challenge that troubles all but the most ideologically blinded free market fundamentalists. Between 1980 and 2004, China's per capita GDP rose 8.2% The US in the 19th and 20th centuries was 1.5%. In a decade China will surpass the US as the worlds largest economy.

China's captialism is notlike the US's. Like Japan, its market operates in the context of state planning, exported growth, and little pretense of a seperation between big business and government. But, the size of China's labor and potential consumer market and the ability of its government to suppress labor cost give the Chinese elite a much more powerful ecnomic weapon than the Japanese.

China is so large that it can grow along a wide range of industries, from apparel to plastic moldings and computer hardware. It is now even moving up to silicon chips and data communications switching systems. China is graduating 350,000 engineers a year who are willing to work 12 hours 7 days a week for a fraction of what they would cost in the US.

Among others, Hewlett-Packard, Verizon, Intel, and Microsoft have opened labs there. US suppliers making larger and better products are being told they have to match the "China Price".

A manager for one US furniture manufacturer showed a journalist a dresser that the Chinese were wholeselling in the US for $105, which was below the world price for the wood it was made of. Factories in China dwarf anything in the US, US productivity rose 600% and still cannot compete. When Clinton and the republicians promoted China's entry into the WTO they assured us that their transnational clients were intrested in the consumers, not the workers.

The US sold $35 billion to China. It bought $197 billion.
It's not China that's swamping the world's markets. It's Chinese labor combined with the captial of the first world transnationals who approved China into the WTO, and therefor the US market, with no protection against Chinese labor.
 
Symbiotica said:
If they want in so damn bad, go through legal channels - as most American's forefathers did. Did the early 20th century's waves of Italian and Irish immigrants jump ship and swim to the shore of NYC by dark of night? No, they came through Ellis Island - like actual adults, like responsible human beings. Not like criminals.

Good point.
It's not like Mexico is such a terrible place that it's impossible to survive in.
 
No, it's not.
If I were homeless I wouldn't invade somebody's home because I was desperate.

If you're poor in mexico, deal with it.
 
Carter said:
No, it's not.
If I were homeless I wouldn't invade somebody's home because I was desperate.

If you're poor in mexico, deal with it.
Sadly, you are not, nor close to it and will never understand
 
Alright, I know I'm not
But I see plenty of hobos on the street who don't set up camp in other peoples homes.

That's my point
They don't have to come to America to survive
 
Carter said:
Alright, I know I'm not
But I see plenty of hobos on the street who don't set up camp in other peoples homes.

That's my point
They don't have to come to America to survive
Do you even understand the mentality of immigrants?
 
I believe so, but I'd like to hear your viewpoint
 
In the end it is not the mentality of true immigrants we need to worry about - but the mentality of those who wish to do nothing but hurt our country.

Is there a problem in Mexico? Sure.

Should the US try to help? Why not.

Should we endanger our citizens to do it? Hell no.
 
dcbmp said:
Still

From "The Global Class War"

THE CHINA PRICE

The emergence of China, with its virtually unlimited supply of cheap labor and a government that is dedicated to keeping it that way is a challenge that troubles all but the most ideologically blinded free market fundamentalists. Between 1980 and 2004, China's per capita GDP rose 8.2% The US in the 19th and 20th centuries was 1.5%. In a decade China will surpass the US as the worlds largest economy.

China's captialism is notlike the US's. Like Japan, its market operates in the context of state planning, exported growth, and little pretense of a seperation between big business and government. But, the size of China's labor and potential consumer market and the ability of its government to suppress labor cost give the Chinese elite a much more powerful ecnomic weapon than the Japanese.

China is so large that it can grow along a wide range of industries, from apparel to plastic moldings and computer hardware. It is now even moving up to silicon chips and data communications switching systems. China is graduating 350,000 engineers a year who are willing to work 12 hours 7 days a week for a fraction of what they would cost in the US.

Among others, Hewlett-Packard, Verizon, Intel, and Microsoft have opened labs there. US suppliers making larger and better products are being told they have to match the "China Price".

A manager for one US furniture manufacturer showed a journalist a dresser that the Chinese were wholeselling in the US for $105, which was below the world price for the wood it was made of. Factories in China dwarf anything in the US, US productivity rose 600% and still cannot compete. When Clinton and the republicians promoted China's entry into the WTO they assured us that their transnational clients were intrested in the consumers, not the workers.

The US sold $35 billion to China. It bought $197 billion.
It's not China that's swamping the world's markets. It's Chinese labor combined with the captial of the first world transnationals who approved China into the WTO, and therefor the US market, with no protection against Chinese labor.

Still, with a rising middle class and the fact that China is becoming bone dry, it's still not assured that it will become the world's largest economy.
 

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