The Amazing Spider-Man A warning for Sony and Webb

[Venom'sDad]

LF, that's one of a handfull of reasons why I think the opponent could be Chameleon to start off.

 

[TheSlag]

/\ God I hope NOT!

And there's a wheelbarrow full of reasons to NOT.

 

[Reikowolf]

Yeah, but for the most part, the (CGI) effects are not believable with Sony Imageworks. Thus, is why I stress a better VFX company needs to be on hand.

It's interesting you would use those examples as both movies were trying to achieve a verite look.

documentary/ home movie.

Additionally, both movies were shot using the RED, a camera that is quickly becoming the standard for digital film due to its comparison to 35mm print.

The higher the resolution of the picture, the more realistic the effect must be to blend to the environment. Both the movies you mentioned do a lot to hide the imperfections in the models with lighting as well as camera tricks.

Being that Spider-Man will be shot on 35mm, these imperfections will be a lot harder to hide.

Something to consider.

 

[TheSlag]

A warning or advice... KEEP the Osborns (Norman and Harry) in the Reboot.

Make Harry a darker version that what we had in Raimi's Spider-Man. Hell.. Make Norman darker even. Develop both their characters more than before. They both (great actors for both) came off as very one dimensional to me.

I think tieing so much of the storyline around the ALL about ONE girl led to a lot of that, so I am hoping without that, we will get much more in-depth characters and storylines.

 

[Reikowolf]

Hmmm.

I would not agree with making them darker, as I feel they were dark characters in the Raimi trilogy.

Perhaps make them less outlandish.

Norman is a great villain, more so in recent history as the new animated series and comics have made him more calculating and calm which serves as a beautiful contrast against his maniacal goblin persona.

In Raimi's version, it seemed clear that the goblin was the dominant persona and Norman was even victimized by it. A good man gone wrong.

If Norman was presented as cold and manipulative from the beginning, then the Goblin would serve to be his id. Unleashing his full force. Especially if the goblin is revealed later in the reboot as it will be a slow draw and then a huge pay off, showing that Norman has been pulling the strings to his huge debut as the goblin instead of falling victim to it.

Even in the comics, they have changed the Goblin as Norman's dirty little secret that he enjoys, instead of being a haunting persona hiding within him.

The balance comes in creating a new Harry. As Harry has always loved his father, and that love blinds him to the sociopath that his father is. Harry would do well to serve as a tragic figure who tries to fight against his father's legacy.

The movies had him following his father without question, with no remorse until he learned the truth. It would be nice to see him more conflicted about his actions.

Raimi's trilogy had Harry following his father's legacy out of his need for approval. The reboot should try and modify his motive to being that of his need for love.

These are themes that should be fleshed out through at least three movies. The goblin is Spider-Man's greatest villain, as such, he deserves a huge build up.

Look at how Ironman is handling the Mandrin. Just mentioned in the first movie but I am sure he will make his great debut by Ironman3, and by then, even fans that find him outdated and obscure will enjoy the build up.

Just look at what Bruce Timm did for Ras Al Ghul, so much detail and importance that he made it to Batman Begins.

 

[LightningFlash]

LF, that's one of a handfull of reasons why I think the opponent could be Chameleon to start off.

It's too early for Chameleon, imo.

We might as well be seeing the first stages of Spider-Man, so having a villain come on to copy Spidey and frame him so early on, would be stupid, imo.

IF we see Spider-Man six months of even a year after he's been a superhero, then Chameleon will work. But have Chameleon work for something bigger, imo, such as, no pun intended, the Big Man.

 

[Venom'sDad]

It's too early for Chameleon, imo.

We might as well be seeing the first stages of Spider-Man, so having a villain come on to copy Spidey and frame him so early on, would be stupid, imo.

IF we see Spider-Man six months of even a year after he's been a superhero, then Chameleon will work. But have Chameleon work for something bigger, imo, such as, no pun intended, the Big Man.

We really need to get away from this notion that Chameleon only purpose in the Spiderman lore is to copy & frame Spiderman. He is alot more than that and IMO, a victim of bad writing & usage from Marvel.

That was not the approach I had in mind for Chameleon. However, given that you said,"It's a 50/50 with 80 million. Still, a movie with only that amount, and we might be getting Spidey facing off with just regular criminals and only try to get super-powered guys in the next installment. Besides, all we've heard is this movie is about Peter acknowledging that he has powers and dealing with Ben's death. It would be sad if we don't have a worthy opponent."

I'm saying as Peter is acknowledging his new found powers his first villainous test could be a B rated villain like Chameleon(Rhino & Norman). The Sfx for those villain may be worth the possible 80 million budget that has been thrown around and reported.

Personally, I think it would be too soon to have him face super-powered villains while learning his abilities & limitations. Sony certainly won't have a film where he only face common thugs or "regular criminals" Chameleon just fit the idea of a first villain, for a hugely reduced budget, for a teenage super-hero.

 

[Spiderine]

Chameleon should have some sort of enhancement in fighting skills. In other words be more than some sort of makeup artist/shapeshifter. But i can see him as a supporting villain of sorts.

 

[Spiderine]

Chameleon played by none other than Jason Statham. That would be awesome.

 

[LightningFlash]

We really need to get away from this notion that Chameleon only purpose in the Spiderman lore is to copy & frame Spiderman. He is alot more than that and IMO, a victim of bad writing & usage from Marvel.

That was not the approach I had in mind for Chameleon. However, given that you said,"It's a 50/50 with 80 million. Still, a movie with only that amount, and we might be getting Spidey facing off with just regular criminals and only try to get super-powered guys in the next installment. Besides, all we've heard is this movie is about Peter acknowledging that he has powers and dealing with Ben's death. It would be sad if we don't have a worthy opponent."

I'm saying as Peter is acknowledging his new found powers his first villainous test could be a B rated villain like Chameleon(Rhino & Norman). The Sfx for those villain may be worth the possible 80 million budget that has been thrown around and reported.

Personally, I think it would be too soon to have him face super-powered villains while learning his abilities & limitations. Sony certainly won't have a film where he only face common thugs or "regular criminals" Chameleon just fit the idea of a first villain, for a hugely reduced budget, for a teenage super-hero.

I only see Chameleon being used to frame Spider-Man. And the biggest reason is that it'll be such a good story to tell. No other villain can do that.

 

[Oscorp]

LF, that's one of a handfull of reasons why I think the opponent could be Chameleon to start off.

Hmmm.

I would not agree with making them darker, as I feel they were dark characters in the Raimi trilogy.

Perhaps make them less outlandish.

Norman is a great villain, more so in recent history as the new animated series and comics have made him more calculating and calm which serves as a beautiful contrast against his maniacal goblin persona.

In Raimi's version, it seemed clear that the goblin was the dominant persona and Norman was even victimized by it. A good man gone wrong.

If Norman was presented as cold and manipulative from the beginning, then the Goblin would serve to be his id. Unleashing his full force. Especially if the goblin is revealed later in the reboot as it will be a slow draw and then a huge pay off, showing that Norman has been pulling the strings to his huge debut as the goblin instead of falling victim to it.

Even in the comics, they have changed the Goblin as Norman's dirty little secret that he enjoys, instead of being a haunting persona hiding within him.

The balance comes in creating a new Harry. As Harry has always loved his father, and that love blinds him to the sociopath that his father is. Harry would do well to serve as a tragic figure who tries to fight against his father's legacy.

The movies had him following his father without question, with no remorse until he learned the truth. It would be nice to see him more conflicted about his actions.

Raimi's trilogy had Harry following his father's legacy out of his need for approval. The reboot should try and modify his motive to being that of his need for love.

These are themes that should be fleshed out through at least three movies. The goblin is Spider-Man's greatest villain, as such, he deserves a huge build up.

Look at how Ironman is handling the Mandrin. Just mentioned in the first movie but I am sure he will make his great debut by Ironman3, and by then, even fans that find him outdated and obscure will enjoy the build up.

Just look at what Bruce Timm did for Ras Al Ghul, so much detail and importance that he made it to Batman Begins.

We really need to get away from this notion that Chameleon only purpose in the Spiderman lore is to copy & frame Spiderman. He is alot more than that and IMO, a victim of bad writing & usage from Marvel.

That was not the approach I had in mind for Chameleon. However, given that you said,"It's a 50/50 with 80 million. Still, a movie with only that amount, and we might be getting Spidey facing off with just regular criminals and only try to get super-powered guys in the next installment. Besides, all we've heard is this movie is about Peter acknowledging that he has powers and dealing with Ben's death. It would be sad if we don't have a worthy opponent."

I'm saying as Peter is acknowledging his new found powers his first villainous test could be a B rated villain like Chameleon(Rhino & Norman). The Sfx for those villain may be worth the possible 80 million budget that has been thrown around and reported.

Personally, I think it would be too soon to have him face super-powered villains while learning his abilities & limitations. Sony certainly won't have a film where he only face common thugs or "regular criminals" Chameleon just fit the idea of a first villain, for a hugely reduced budget, for a teenage super-hero.

TOTALLY agree with these posts!

Chameleon should have some sort of enhancement in fighting skills. In other words be more than some sort of makeup artist/shapeshifter. But i can see him as a supporting villain of sorts.

Why? Every villain doesn't have to be great in close combat. There are other villains for that. Chameleon is plainly a psychological threat. Someone like Shocker could serve as the physical threat.

Chameleon played by none other than Jason Statham. That would be awesome.

In my opinion, he fits way more as Shocker, if you ask me.

I only see Chameleon being used to frame Spider-Man. And the biggest reason is that it'll be such a good story to tell. No other villain can do that.

Mysterio could do that too, by either dressing up as Spider-Man himself, or using technology of some sort.

 

[LightningFlash]

Mysterio could do that too, by either dressing up as Spider-Man himself, or using technology of some sort.

Mysterio can also pull the whole "I'm a sorcerer who speaks Latin". TSSM did Mysterio very well in that, imo. Just some villain to mess with Spidey's mind than anything else.

I'm just very biased when it comes to my own opinions though, lol. I think Chameleon would be a great villain to frame Spider-Man and I think Mysterio would be a great villain to use his technology and what not to look like this wizard-type character, just to make Peter wonder if magic is real, et cetera.

Sure, Mysterio could be a character to frame Spidey, as he did once in a video game, but I just don't want to see a giant Mysterio, haha.

 

[zeptron]

Sure, Mysterio could be a character to frame Spidey, as he did once in a video game, but I just don't want to see a giant Mysterio, haha.

Just because he became giant in the game doesn't mean he has to in a movie. He framed him in the 90s cartoon and never became giant.

 

[Visceral]

Webb don't do a reboot and just make Spiderman 4 GAH!

 

[Spiderine]

Why? Every villain doesn't have to be great in close combat. There are other villains for that. Chameleon is plainly a psychological threat. Someone like Shocker could serve as the physical threat.



In my opinion, he fits way more as Shocker, if you ask me.

I think you misinterpreted me. I wasn't suggesting Chameleon get into karate combat with Spiderman himself. I don't want that. All I was saying is this version should be more of a secret agent working in the world of espionage and thus have skills of a trained agent with weaponry and martial arts. At least this should be his background. It makes him a little more interesting if he is front and center as a character without taking the psychological threat he poses for Spiderman. He would only engage in fights with some authority figures. That would be the extent of it. I seem to understand what Venom's Dad is suggesting.

Hence why I suggested Statham for the role.

 

[Reikowolf]

I vote for chameleon for the first movie, if for any other reason, because he was Spidey's first rogue.

He could be re-imagined very intelligently.

He is the half brother of Kraven the Hunter so a great way to introduce him may be just as Kraven's assistant who would later on be revealed to be a spy who is highly intelligent and an excellent combatant.

Maybe even make Kraven into the reboot's "Crusher Hogan." Only to have him hunt Spider-Man down after he is humiliated by him in the ring. By the third act, we find that it is Kraven's brother who is really pulling all the strings. It would be a great way to

a. Pay Homage to the first issue
b. introduce two villains that have not been shown yet
c. intertwine them into the origin without retelling it.
d. showcase spider-man's powers and intellect.

One of the things USM mentioned on several occasions was Peter's lack of fighting skills. He is super powered and gifted with a sense that allows him to avoid danger but against a skilled fighter, Spider-Man would have a hard time defeating him, especially if the fighter were trained in different forms of combat.

Just spitballing

On a side note. I finally watched 500 days of summer. Well done Mr. Webb. I look forward to your spider-man

I kind of almost want him to start the reboot by quoting 500 days of summer

"This is a story of boy meets girl. But you should know up front, this is not a love story."

 

[©KAW]

On a side note. I finally watched 500 days of summer. Well done Mr. Webb. I look forward to your spider-man

I kind of almost want him to start the reboot by quoting 500 days of summer

"This is a story of boy meets girl. But you should know up front, this is not a love story."

lol, yeah, me too. T'was a good film.