ABC's Once Upon a Time - Part 8

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BVS's young Bruce is the new Baelfire...

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No OUAT tonight, but just finished ep 613 with the latest Baelfire.. the lovely and hugely talented @brandonsspink
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Guess that's the price of still doing flashbacks to a certain point in time six seasons in.
 
loved how they used the evil queen speed walk when Regina posed as her in that episode as a call back to the pilot
 
I did too. In fact, I quite liked the whole thing. Kinda wish that had been the 100th episode, rather than the "Regina being far too easily forgiven by the father she murdered while the rest of the cast just wander around the Underworld" hour.
 
Ariel Returns

On an unrelated note, I was watching the Beyond pilot earlier this week, and the younger, teenaged version of the main character struck me as someone I recognized, but I couldn't put my finger on it. I looked him up on IMDB, and it was the actor who played Baelfire in the first two seasons. Yeah, there's no way he could still pass as a pre-falling through vortex Bae.
 
There's a rumor that Robert Carlyle is done after this season. If that is true, I think this should be the last season. Rumple is such an integral part of the story that even thought he isn't my favorite character (second best after Regina), I don't want to watch Once without him. My interest in the show has already dwindled substantially, his departure would destroy it completely. And honestly they are just going in circles for seasons now, end it already.
 
Carlyle is great, but the show doesn't live or die with Rumple's presence. In fact, I'm at a point where it might be better without it. If they had stuck to Rumple truly redeeming himself after losing the darkness, I might think different, but they just had to revert back to status quo, and it's kind of like "Why are any of these people still bothering with this a**hole?

Anyway. Return date...

http://tvline.com/2017/01/10/once-upon-a-time-season-6-return-date-the-catch-season-2/
Sunday March 5
8 pm Once Upon a Time returns
9 pm Time After Time (Two-hour premiere)
 
OMG ONCE without Rumple may actually make me watch it again. They rely on him way to much to be the big bad for just about everything.
 
Yeah even Peter Pan and now the black fairy story revolves around rumple with them being

His mother and Father

Bring on somebody new to be a big bad if they are going to continue the show.
 
Yeah even Peter Pan and now the black fairy story revolves around rumple with them being

His mother and Father

Bring on somebody new to be a big bad if they are going to continue the show.

You're joking. You have to be joking. You cant be serious!
 
Yeah, I eyerolled at that one. I thought they parted ways with the "Let's make the entire fairy tale canon one big family tree" thing a few seasons ago, but nope. Let's retroactively give Rumple, Baelfire and Henry fairy lineage.

Made even dumber because A.) they try to play that off as the reason that he hates fairies, when S1 already established that he was holding a grudge against Blue because of the magic bean, and B.) they give the Black Fairy a modus operandi of snatching kids. If they wanted to establish a link so badly, couldn't they have just said she snatched Rumple as a baby and his mom died getting him back or something? I mean...

I just hate how how comfortable the writers have found themselves by settling into a certain grove of just sort of recycling things over and over, especially when taking into consideration that they marked the transition from season one to two by completely up-ending their established format. Now it's "____ is in trouble, let's all hop on a bus to ____!"/flashbacks to eras of the characters lives we've already seen a dozen times/resurgence of villains we should've been done with ages ago (split Evil Queen and Rumple on his carousel of good-evil-good again-even worse-slightly better-etc.).

I don't think it ends with Carlyle. But I would like to see them set an endgame, just because I think they could actually come up with something impressive again when they aren't resting on their laurels. Switch the game up.
 
Pretty Sure Robbie Kay has obligations to be on Sleepy Hollow this season so IDK if we'll see him again.
 
Pretty Sure Robbie Kay has obligations to be on Sleepy Hollow this season so IDK if we'll see him again.

His role on Sleepy Hollow is recurring, so it wouldn't prevent him from returning for a guest spot or two on Once, at least not contractually.

It might if scheduling can't be worked out, but there's no reason for OUaT's producers not to at least try to see if he's available even with his recurring role on SH.
 
JMo's contract is up at the end of this season and she isn't sure if she will return or not
“My contract ends in April on Once Upon a Time,” Morrison said. “I don’t know what that means. They haven’t picked up the show officially yet — they might, they might not. We are just waiting now to see if the network decides to continue with the show — and if they do continue with the show, if they’re going to rework it to be something else, or if they’re going to invite people to stay. We’re just in a holding pattern right now.”
The good news is that it sounds like Morrison may be in it for the foreseeable future. “I have a really fierce loyalty to the show,” Morrison said. “I am fiercely protective of the character. I feel like so many amazing things have come to my life because of it. It’s really made my life better in so many ways. I don’t have any interest in abandoning something that is such a special part of my life, but I also know I don’t have it in me to do it forever, so it’s more about a life decision, and I don’t even know how to make that life decision until I know what ABC even wants.”
http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/12/once-upon-time-jennifer-morrison-emma-future/

And looks like they are looking at doing a major retooling of the show if they get picked up for a 7th season:
“[Executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis] would be looking for the seventh season to be a springboard in a new direction from a narrative standpoint,” Dungey tells EW, “which doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re not bringing cast back, it’s just how do you kind of hit the reset button in a way that gives you opportunity to expand the stories that we’re telling?”
“Whenever there’s change, there’s always transition,” Dungey hedges in regards to whether she expects any cast exits. “It’s just too hard to really say more of anything. Until they really get their pitch finalized, it’s hard to really be more specific.”
http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/10/once-upon-time-season-7/
 
Yeah this show started going downhill for me when the insisted everyone be some connected "family" and that Rumple and Regina are the only two big bads worth a damn. And yes I'm still tripping on how bad the stories of Ariel, Ursula, Maleficent, and others are.
 
for one of the writers being on Buffy, they really dropped the ball in comparison... Regina and Rumple are the Magneto and Mystique of this franchise... boring me out of my mind with the same old stories
 
They are the only two truly compelling characters and they have drained then dry of storytelling. Frankly, I'm surprised that they restrained themselves from making him her father, that would have been full circle with the whole miller's daughter storyline and being with her sister.
 
I remember seeing the first teasers for OUAT in 2011 and not thinking much about it.

Now I don't know if I'm glad or not for not seeing it all until now. I think it helps to have binged on all six seasons for about three weeks straight, averaging about two or three eps a night, as there was a better sense of continuity, rather than having a week in between each episode.

The downside of course, is now I have nothing to watch at night and it won't be coming back on again for another six weeks plus a few days. Oh well...

As for the show, I love it. Yes, warts and all, some repetitiveness and all, I think it is a great show even more for the emotional aspect as for the otherworldly adventures. My favorite characters are Emma and Regina (and yes if there ever was a SwanQueen I'd be jumping up and down but I live in the real world where that will only ever happen in fanfiction so don't anyone worry about another crazy harassing the cast from the comfort of a smelly EZ chair surrounded by Nacho chips and Chitos bags and empty cans of Coke and a box of wet-wipes for bathing...:loco:)

I liked them butting heads over Henry in the first two seasons and I think they are still great as evolving BFFs in the latter. It's a 180 that I think was carried off very well, especially given the time to feel organic and natural. Sometimes your best friend can start out as your worst enemy, cause who else is going to take your s**t but someone who had been trying to kill you for two years..? Plus, I love how Regina may have moved away from her evil self, but she is still a hard-a*s.
(Though I wonder what would happen if Emma was ever to find out that it was Regina who had killed Graham..?)

And despite all she's done, I was still having the Feels each time Regina tried for a happy-ever-after only to get dumped on. For me she is a sympathetic villain, especially with having Cora in her corner as a life-coach. So I was bummed when Robin was killed off by Hades.

Really, they're going to take away her happy ending..! Ugh! And then of course to have Hook come back at the end, I don't know if that was good or not. It seemed Hook had settled his debts and was ready to move on, and it certainly would have been more emotional baggage for Emma to have to deal with.
She took the risk of turning him into a Dark One to save him, then went to the Underworld to do the same and ended up losing Robin because of it. The angst from that could have been explosive. Maybe not an Evil Queen returns-level event, but something big to get over the following season.

Now though, there's a chance to get Robin back, which I'm hoping will happen in the latter half of S6. Although that begs the question, is the dreamworld the Evil Queen sent Emma to a make believe world, or is it an actual world in the same way Storybrooke is a 'real' town? The initial curse from S1 only created the town and transported the people. The genie-wish looks to have created an entire mirror to the Enchanted Forrest, including all the people. So I wonder if they try to get this Robin back to Storybrooke will he just up and disappear like a puff of smoke from the Magic Dragon..?

Also interesting to see who was under the cloak. For obvious reasons I was hoping it was the Dark Swan (oblivious in that I had wished for a second attempt at the Dark Swan arc. It was good, but seeing the teasers and the comicon first look shows what we missed out on...)

But maybe if Carlyle is going, perhaps we will get a second shot at DS? If he dies for some reason (such as sacrificing himself for his new son) there will still be a need for a new Dark One. It would be sad to see him go in either case, as Rumple is always fun to watch, but his character has really no place else to go.
Several times he's been given the opportunity to relinquish the darkness and he has always run right back to it. I think character death is the only way to end his arc.
Although if he were to go out as a true evil-baddy, then that would be fitting also!

But I would love to see the Dark Swan from the teaser brought to full life! That little clip of her in the cave-jail saying she only a monster, 'on the inside,' was awesome! That they didn't do it was a real missed opportunity. I think they choked a bit on turning her that dark and maybe didn't want to deal with yet another redemption story.
I think it would have been worth it though, especially as the dialogue seemed to lead to her being more powerful than any Dark One before. And that Nimue was the one needed to defeat the Dark One. It's big change by turning her into the First Dark One rather than being the person the Heroes were supposed to go to get help.
Clearly some dialogue from the initial plot were left dangling...

Anyway, anxiously waiting for March, and it's gotten late. Goodnight!:woot:
 
Back tonight.
 
Im really looking forward to it returning and i do hope that this wont be the last season...the first half was very regina heavy and therefore not that good.
Would like to see the show go out big.
 
I like the story arc with Regina. Hers is one of the better ones on the show. And once again what shines brighter is the emotional interactions, especially the friendship between her and Emma.

Good episode to come back to. Hook was a fun moment, and Gideon is clearly twisted all out of mental shape.

I wonder how this 'new' Robin is going to react to having a son. Not badly I'm sure, but it will definitely be a shock. And is he a new Robin with the old Robin's soul?
Also nice to see Emma getting over the shakes. And how she chose her last name. That was sweet.
 
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