After seeing FF:ROTSS, Do you think Tim Story deserves to do FF3?

[Kmack]

I bet if Tim Story directed Spider-Man 3, you'd probably blame HIM for the failure that it was. But if Sam Raimi directed ROTSS, you'd be calling it the best thing since sliced bread.

I wouldn't. I see no point in liking a film because of the name behind it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Tim Story is the ONLY guy for FF3 right now. He's created a dynamic, whether people want to believe it or not. I've become accustomed to his vision of the FF, and so far none of his movies have reached the awfulness that is SM3.

I bet if Tim Story directed Spider-Man 3, you'd probably blame HIM for the failure that it was. But if Sam Raimi directed ROTSS, you'd be calling it the best thing since sliced bread.

No. I loved Spider-Man 3 because I loved Spider-Man 3. Director doesn't matter. For example, my favorite director is Tim Burton. I love his movies. But, show me Mars Attacks or Planet of the Apes, and you will never hear the end of me saying how much they suck. I can't say their names or watch any part of them without beginning a rant of how much poison they are to me eyeballs, and how Burton really screwed them up. I appreciated Spider-Man 3 for many reasons.

 

[coreymb16]

Although ROTSS was an improvement on the first, I'm so tired of this kiddy treatment FF has gotten. It is possible to make a superhero film family-friendly without it operating on a third grade level. A Fantastic Four film can be witty, thought provoking, and emotionally satisfying while still retaining an inspired sense of comedy (The Incredibles anyone). And I want that so much for the FF franchise and I just don't see that happening as long as Story continues to helm these installments.

I don't think most of the third graders will understand what Reed's sayingt: . , but I get your point.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Bring back Tim Story to finish the trilogy, THEN have him make Silver Surfer!

I want a new person on the Surfer. His movie should not be like a FF movie should.

 

[Spade]

People (myself included) are blaming Raimi for how SM3 came out in terms of shortcomings, so the "you wouldn't be pointing out the flaws if this guy were behind it" argument is very moot.

 

[Matt]

After Taxi, Tim Story doesn't deserve to direct anything again.

 

[Matt]

Although ROTSS was an improvement on the first, I'm so tired of this kiddy treatment FF has gotten. It is possible to make a superhero film family-friendly without it operating on a third grade level. A Fantastic Four film can be witty, thought provoking, and emotionally satisfying while still retaining an inspired sense of comedy (The Incredibles anyone). And I want that so much for the FF franchise and I just don't see that happening as long as Story continues to helm these installments.

Agreed. I still maintain Joss Whedon would've been the perfect director of the franchise. He has a perfect way of mixing action, adventure, comedy, and even horror (which would be nice to actually have Doom or Galactus come off as threatening) in a way no other director can and still make it appealing to most. Plus we may have gotten Alexis Denisoff as Mr. Fantastic...which would've been outstanding. For some reason Ioan just doesn't click with me.

 

[chaseter]

Get rid of Fox.

I don't know about Story. First one was good, this one was good but too fast. He needs to slow it down, and make it PG-13 so they could've had that "badass Doom".

Agree 100%. Story has done a good job but Doom needs to be way more evil and it doesn't kill a movie to be 1:45 or 1:50 instead of 1:30. I really liked the movie but 15 minutes can make a big difference.

 

[Kmack]

Agreed. I still maintain Joss Whedon would've been the perfect director of the franchise. He has a perfect way of mixing action, adventure, comedy, and even horror (which would be nice to actually have Doom or Galactus come off as threatening) in a way no other director can and still make it appealing to most. Plus we may have gotten Alexis Denisoff as Mr. Fantastic...which would've been outstanding. For some reason Ioan just doesn't click with me.

I don't know, the cast has kinda grown on me. At first I hated the idea of Jessica 'Dark Angel' Alba portraying my beloved Sue Storm, especially when Rachel McAdams (who kicked major ass in Mean Girls) was up for the part. But the four just seem to click together, and I love them even more after seeing the seqel. I love Ioan, Alba, Evans and Chiklis as the Fantastic Four I have just been dissappointed with McMahon...or maybe it's just the bad writing

Whatever the case, I think Whedon would have been perfection.

 

[Drakon]

This has me in a weird position. On one hand, I do think that another director, down the line, would do a great job with this. I mean, the proof is in the pudding-these characters, these stories, they didn't survive for 40+ years just because all the other kids were doing it. And as such, providing there are no incredibly drastic changes to the formula [and a sufficient budget and time frame], you've automatically got a good film. It reminds me of an old saying my grandfather used to tell me: "Even if you crap gold, it's still gold."

However, considering it's just two movies into the franchise, it's a bit early to be jumping ships. Sure, there are a few GLARING problems with what we have now, but it could be worse. We could have nipples, people.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This has me in a weird position. On one hand, I do think that another director, down the line, would do a great job with this. I mean, the proof is in the pudding-these characters, these stories, they didn't survive for 40+ years just because all the other kids were doing it. And as such, providing there are no incredibly drastic changes to the formula [and a sufficient budget and time frame], you've automatically got a good film. It reminds me of an old saying my grandfather used to tell me: "Even if you crap gold, it's still gold."

However, considering it's just two movies into the franchise, it's a bit early to be jumping ships. Sure, there are a few GLARING problems with what we have now, but it could be worse. We could have nipples, people.

But the question is, should we wait for nipples before we move on to someone else?

He upped his game for FF2, but we still see some of the same problems. With Story, are we going to ever get a great climactic battle? Will the effects always look shoddy? Will we always use too much effects money on humor, meaning less in fights?

All these questions come into play.

 

[bullets]

im waiting for jessica albas nipples

 

[Drakon]

I'd probably say yes.

Again, I admit there's a lot of things wrong here with the characters, or the actors, or the dialog, or whatever your personal favourite flaw is. Personally, I didn't mind them so much, other than a select few [I can't be the only one who thought Jessica Alba looked incredibly weird throughout the movie]. But so long as the core of the characters are there, and well done, then a slight deviation isn't the end of the world.

I hate to change ideas for a second, but if I may, let's look at Spidey 3 [I know this has been beaten to death]. Having Marko be Ben's killer really cheapens EVERYTHING that happened in the first two movies. If you did something in honor of someone and to right your own personal wrong, and then find out that you're still wrong, what's the point? It'd be like going to war with another planet because they attacked you, only to find out that they attacked because you were trying to take over their home world.

 

[Matt]

I don't know, the cast has kinda grown on me. At first I hated the idea of Jessica 'Dark Angel' Alba portraying my beloved Sue Storm, especially when Rachel McAdams (who kicked major ass in Mean Girls) was up for the part. But the four just seem to click together, and I love them even more after seeing the seqel. I love Ioan, Alba, Evans and Chiklis as the Fantastic Four I have just been dissappointed with McMahon...or maybe it's just the bad writing

Whatever the case, I think Whedon would have been perfection.

I don't know, for some reason Ioan just doesn't click for me. Maybe it is the utter lack of charisma when compared to someone like Evans or Chiklis...but he always comes off as just so dull.

 

[JP]

Keep him. The last thing we need is a new director.

 

[deemar325]

I think we should be more worried about the 'Losers' movie he's trying to direct next.

 

[Kmack]

Keep him. The last thing we need is a new director.

Omg JP you've got to give me a link to the thread in which your quote originated. I haven't laughed that long in days

 

[deemar325]

Keep him. The last thing we need is a new director.

God forbid Mark Steven Johnston wants a shot at the Fan Four.


A few days ago was was watching the Fountain by Darren Aronofsky and I think he could pull off a amazing FF movie.

 

[Matt]

Omg JP you've got to give me a link to the thread in which your quote originated. I haven't laughed that long in days

Co-sign!

 

[Drakon]

Sorry, I didn't see your edit, 930.

He upped his game for FF2, but we still see some of the same problems. With Story, are we going to ever get a great climactic battle? Will the effects always look shoddy? Will we always use too much effects money on humor, meaning less in fights?

I think that Story should do another movie between F4. Maybe some independant property, or some regular BBB action movie, then come back to do the next F4 film. I personally think we're doing okay with the fights. There's plenty of room for improvement, but it's not as bad as Blade 3, where you can literally freeze frame and find each scene screwup [on a different note, that's a rather fun drinking game--watch Blade 3, and take a shot for every blatantly obvious fake punch].

I don't personally think we're wasting money on effects for things like, having Reed use his powers and stuff outside of combat. Reason being, this is who they are. They're not Sue, Reed, Ben and Johnny by day, and the F4 by night. They're ALWAYS the F4, so there's nothing to hide. They have gifts, and they use them. Sure, it might cost a bit more, but I think it's worth it in the end, since it somewhat fleshes the characters out more, even if it's just used comedically [such as Reed going for the TP in the first movie].

Matt>>I agree that he's got the short end of the stick when it comes to charisma, but he's no slouch, either. I personally loved the delivery of the "Quarterback" speech in this film. Though, I think it's a role that he still needs to grow into a bit more. Someone should burn every F4 comic onto a DVD and mail it to him. I think his problem is that he's not exactly in sync with the character-Ioan's still not exactly comfortable in Reed's skin.

 

[Matt]

Matt>>I agree that he's got the short end of the stick when it comes to charisma, but he's no slouch, either. I personally loved the delivery of the "Quarterback" speech in this film. Though, I think it's a role that he still needs to grow into a bit more. Someone should burn every F4 comic onto a DVD and mail it to him. I think his problem is that he's not exactly in sync with the character-Ioan's still not exactly comfortable in Reed's skin.

The thing is, I think any actor could deliver the quarterback speech. It is pretty cliched, easy stuff. Any of the more challenging scenes he seems to be the most forgettable aspect of. I just don't think he is that good. Maybe not knowing Reed is the problem, but after 2 movies, he certainly should. It is his job as an actor to familiarize himself with and become the character.

 

[Warhammer]

Co-sign!

Agreed.
I want that, too.

 

[Ash Talon]

I'm voting "yes." And I hated the first FF movie. However, FF2 is a vast improvement. It was an improvement in almost every conceivable way.

The script was far tighter and not as juvenile. Still humorous but it's definately a step-up. There's an actual plot this time. The actors are far more comfortable in their roles and actually have chemistry now.

As for Story. Yes, he's improved. But I think a lot of the improvements probably come from less studio involvement. For the first film, Fox obviously didn't have confidence in the property. However, it still made money. Story must have "proved" himself in Fox's mind. Therefore, they gave him a little more leeway. For instance, did you notice the total lack of any music video scenes. I don't remember one pop song forced into the film. Either this was Story responding to the problems in the first film, or Fox taking more control. I highly doubt it was Fox taking more control.

Regarding directorial styles, which Marvel directors have any real style? Raimi? He's pretty much lost any style he used to have. He's become such a safe director throughout the Spider-Man films, that he's now boring in my mind. And he has no self-control. Singer? Again, no real style. Unless you consider having a plodding pace and an inability to get interesting performances out of his characters (the X-Men are all bland characters in his films). I have no idea why X2 is praised. It's a mess and is completely uninteresting.

So what makes me have faith in Story for a 3rd FF film? I think he's shown a willingness to listen to fans' desires. FF2 was a vast improvement over the first film.

As for the length of the film. I do think super-powered Doom could have had more of a goal and actually done something in the film. However, I don't think the film needed to be much longer. In fact, superhero movies should be about 90-100 minutes. This was a big selling point of FF2 for me. It moved along and didn't linger on aspects. It wasn't weighed down by the melodrama and endless subplots of SM3. There is absolutely no reason for a Spider-Man movie to be over 2 hours long. It's self-indulgent and drags the pace of the film to a halt. I think Story realized this nasty trend in action movies (which all tend to be 2.5 hours long these days) and made a much quicker paced film, which is appropriate for the material.

Yeah, let's give Story another shot. Since FF2 was so much better than FF, I can't imagine how much better FF3 would be over FF2.

 

[YJ1]

If FOX can reliquish its control over every detail, I'd say Story has what it takes to do this franchise right. But they really need to let him breathe.

I know the $125 million budget held everyone back a bit but there's no excuse for the lack of any real character development. Fox gave Singer room to breathe with X2. I'm surprised that FF2 turned out to be a crammed clusterF***. Tim Story is a class act so it's hard to say anything bad about him. Still, maybe it's time to try another hand.

 

[Drakon]

The thing is, I think any actor could deliver the quarterback speech. It is pretty cliched, easy stuff. Any of the more challenging scenes he seems to be the most forgettable aspect of. I just don't think he is that good. Maybe not knowing Reed is the problem, but after 2 movies, he certainly should. It is his job as an actor to familiarize himself with and become the character.

I'm not going to argue with anything you've said, because I agree with you completely. I'm just shedding a different light.

But I will go on to say that even though it is "his job as an actor to familiarize himself with and become the character", it doesn't always work so well. Sometimes, people just can't do it. Like, to me, Keaton was a GREAT Batman, but a ****ty Bruce Wayne [Yeah, I said it. Bite me]. Bruce is not some bumbling, rambling buffoon like portrayed in the first two movies. He's a suave mother****er. Keaton's great, but even if he familiarizes himself with the role, if he's still going to be the bumbling, ranting buffoon from the first two movies, then as far as I'm concerned, it could be "BATMAN 45: WE'VE RUN OUT OF ALTERNATE TITLES!", and I'd still not feel it. Inversely, I'd be sorely disappointed if they ever recast JJJ, because he's perfect.