Age of Ultron Age of Ultron SPOILER thread, DO NOT enter if you don't want to be spoiled!!! - Part 4

[PunyGod]

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[Jordanstine]

Because you always give yourself options even for things that are planned out. A good example is Babylon 5 which had its entire 5 year arc written in advance yet the creator sometimes made huge unexpected changes right when they were filming an episode.

There is also the possibility that they shot the footage just to fake out any leakers.

Designing a whole new suit though, what a waste.

 

[CGHulk]

In regards to the cave sequence I wanted more from it, I think there wasn't enough Thor in this film. So I'm on the side of Marvel over Whedon here. I agree that cutting Loki's scene was a good move. The whole Loki reveal where he took Odin's throne (or alluded to) should be left for the revealed in the next Thor movie.

 

[Darkraid]

Feige you fricked it up on QS.

 

[darthcoolness3]

Couldn't they bring back Quicksilver on Agents of Shield with the TAHITI Machine like what they did with Agent Coulson?

 

[CaptainWagner]

Kevin Feige on Quicksilver

http://mcuexchange.com/kevin-feige-confirms-contract-renewal-talks-mcu-death-one-shots-and-more/



I do not believe this bolded part to be 100% true. If they had always planned Quicksilver would die since the beginning, then why did they film an alternate ending where Quicksilver lives, joins Wanda, and gets a new suit?

Btw in tonight's episode of Agents of SHIELD:



So there's always going to be that too.

Fury, unleash TAHITI.

Yeah, I'm not buying it either. Even if this isn't just a smokescreen, hopefully positive reaction to the character can change Marvel's mind, similar to how Falcon made his way into AOU.

 

[wobbly]

Couldn't they bring back Quicksilver on Agents of Shield with the TAHITI Machine like what they did with Agent Coulson?

The TAHITI facility and the alien (Kree) corpse they got the serum from was destroyed.

I think the clue for him coming back was already put there anyway. When Hill is stating his power set she notes accelerated metabolism, healing etc. Not a leap to have him come back simply due to his powers (it's not like he had his head blown off).

The actor signed a multi picture deal too so Feige saying they were always gonna kill him off is a smokescreen imo. They have left the door open if they want to use it.

 

[drod1985]

Joss said that they shot the alternate ending and designed his new suit in case Disney said "No, this is a franchise, you idiot! You can't kill him off!" As PunyGod mentioned, you've always got to be prepared.

While I would've preferred he live, I understand the choice to kill him off. Somebody needed to die to show that there was danger and weight to the situation. And if I had to pick any of the characters it would've been him.

 

[sdc10]

The TAHITI facility and the alien (Kree) corpse they got the serum from was destroyed.

I think the clue for him coming back was already put there anyway. When Hill is stating his power set she notes accelerated metabolism, healing etc. Not a leap to have him come back simply due to his powers (it's not like he had his head blown off).

The actor signed a multi picture deal too so Feige saying they were always gonna kill him off is a smokescreen imo. They have left the door open if they want to use it.

Ya, but that only comes in to play if they actually decide to write him into anymore movies

 

[Hmarrs]

It did me as well. I didn't like that.

Hated it.I could have lived with all of it exept that.
And Ronan saying.."What are you doing?"..in light of their dancing was even worse.

Yeah, I caught that too. I think they were just trying to make Ronan look like such a bad ass himself since this was his movie as the main villain.

Thanos totally backed off cause he knew.

Can you Imagine if he would have showed up and Obliterated Ronan and taken the stone or somehow revealed that the Guardians had beaten him based on so manipulation by Thanos.

Or something he just stood shut...or at least tell Ronan.."You will rue the day you spoke to Thanos thus!"...Something???..He just stood shut...Bothered me because I don't see Thanos that way...at least have him ..."Laugh and sign off"..

I also don't like that Thanos would give a stone away in the first place. I don't care if its to retrieve another one. That's a huge risk.

true and there in lies my point I would expect him to have some contingency plan.

Hopefully so. There needs to be an overwhelming villain where some suspense is created for the Avengers. They're so overpowering right now. The only thing which causes them much trouble is internal conflict. Otherwise, they're unbeatable.

True it just seems like there just problem solving..Almost as if the Avengers themselves ar saying..Ok guys lets make it look good for the audience watching...

and Gosh almighty I hate the melodrama..."If you step out of this room your an Avenger".. that reminds me of when they said ..."Lets do it for Phil"....Boo Hoo..They barley knew HIM!!??...u want somthing to motivate the team how about all of the innocent people dying HELLOO...In the First Avenger movie...and in the second Avenger Movie talk like they been Avengers for years or something...How do you go from the beginning in the first movie and the end in the second???

...and the Cap. Language joke was good for like the first two or three rounds then it just got obnoxious.Ill bet you it drops in Box Office sales this week...I'm sorry but its true.The fact that cap at the end lets you know he will continue to do so...They joked about it until they made it ok.So we have no qualms about Cap. Cursing.

Should have known better. I thought going in that Ultron was on the level of Thanos when it came to threatening.

I always thought he was on an Earthly level...He always was in the Comics.I also cant figure out how they kept taring him apart the way they did if the Vibranium is supposed to represent the comics Adamantium.
So Hulk can just rip Caps shield in two?

I'm fine with him going against Thanos. Thanos would have stopped him if the Guardians didn't do it for him.
The one and only thing that kept Guardians from being an A++ and the best Marvel movie to date, was the dancing and singing at the end. It was so unbelievably stupid and so unbelievably lazy. That's the best James Gunn could muster while writing the screenplay? He's better.

Took it from A+ to B for me. That 30 seconds.

Believe me you guys don't like these movies as much as you think you do.
1.Half Fanboy enthusiasm and 3 Thirds Eyes Candy.And were taken and sold on it.
Because the story with the Exception of Iron Man 1.Cap 2.the Stories have been weak and lame.
Thor 1 and Cap 1 are second tier good.
the rest just support the eye candy.

 

[DrCosmic]

Joss said that they shot the alternate ending and designed his new suit in case Disney said "No, this is a franchise, you idiot! You can't kill him off!" As PunyGod mentioned, you've always got to be prepared.

While I would've preferred he live, I understand the choice to kill him off. Somebody needed to die to show that there was danger and weight to the situation. And if I had to pick any of the characters it would've been him.

This. Every single film someone fake-dies. If you want a darker movie, someone has to go. QS not only offers the least to the Avengers (he's not a classic Avenger, nor an integral part of many stories), but his death offers the most to the Avengers, not only making the movie better by having a fakeout of Hawkeye's seemingly oncoming death, and giving Wanda a huge character moment and a need to move forward.

And like drod said... everyone else would be a horrible idea.

Big 3 - Unacceptable
Black people - cliche
Females - sausage fest
Vision - needed for plot
Hulk - not possible
Hawkeye - Too expected. By turning Hawkeye's uselessness around on it's head they gave the movie some actual heart. Killing him off because he has the least power not only has less impact, but sends the message that what makes these guys important is their powers, not who they are. That would be sucky.

 

[C. Lee]

Believe me you guys don't like these movies as much as you think you do.
1.Half Fanboy enthusiasm and 3 Thirds Eyes Candy.And were taken and sold on it.
Because the story with the Exception of Iron Man 1.Cap 2.the Stories have been weak and lame.
Thor 1 and Cap 1 are second tier good.
the rest just support the eye candy.

And then....maybe they do like them as much as they think they do. Just who the hell are you to tell people their opinion is wrong? OPINIONS are the personal conclusions that someone forms about something....you, me, or everyone else in the world has no say if person Xs opinion about a movie is wrong or right.

 

[The_Human]

Hi, just joined. Was amongst the first to watch Age of Ultron as it came out Wed late night 22nd April here in the UK. And just watched it for the 2nd time to get some facts right and to enjoy it again of course! Can't wait to get it on blu ray and add it to my collection.

After watching it the 2nd time there is 100% proof that Ultron Prime's final form was made of vibranium (not the last survived form that was obliterated by Vision).

After Ultron kidnapped Black Widow and took him to his base, during the conversation the Vibranium Ultron came from behind and crushed his normal metal form.

But the real evidence is when (towards the final fight) Iron man says to Ultron along the lines of " whoa you look a little (different) vibraniumish, or not so puffy"

Vibraniumish is mentioned by Tony clearly as he was taken back by his new shiny solid look.

After Vision shut Ultron off (disconnected) him from the Internet, Vision lost consciousness and so Ultron layed him down on the floor - I don't think he could just crush Vision since his Vibranium is binded with his tissue cells making him more advanced (probably also regenerative since tissue heals) - interesting. And thereafter Ultron says " you take away my world (meaning disconnecting him from the net) and so I will take away yours" referring to destroying the land and stating now everything living will be metal.

 

[DrCosmic]

True it just seems like there just problem solving..Almost as if the Avengers themselves ar saying..Ok guys lets make it look good for the audience watching...and Gosh almighty Ihate the melodrama..."If you step out of this room your an Avenger".. that reminds me of when they said ..."Lets do it for Phil"....Boo Hoo..They barley knew HIM!!??...

They knew enough. I think what people miss until that point is that the Avengers were individuals, who were motivated to save the world as individuals. They would have gone off to fight Loki as individuals and died. There would have been no teamwork, no trust. You've seen this a million times in a million sports films, where the team gets their butt kicked second quarter and then the coach gives them a halftime pep talk and the team captain is like "Let's do this for Ronnie Oglesmith!" And the team returns to the field as a team, and do far more than they could as individuals.

Phil's death could do that because the people who were fighting at the beginning of the movie: Cap, IM and Thor, The Big 3, all knew he was very awesome and very human. They'd all met him and he'd made a big impression on them. So there's that whole "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." So if Phil could go down, believing that they could come together as a team... how could they not? If they had come together as a team instead of trying to save the world as individuals sooner, Phil would still be alive. So after that, Cap is willing and ready to seek out and work with Tony, and if that hadn't happened, that conversation where Phil died wouldn't have happened, and they wouldn't have realized Loki was at Stark Tower until the Chitauri had already taken New York, cue WSC Nuke with no Avengers on site, and no Iron Man willing to lay down on the wire for the next guy without using up his time trying to figure out a third option.

Goodbye New York. But Captain America would be there, fighting til his last breath, Tony would do what he could, and retreat until he could come up with a better strategy. Thor may go to protect Jane, or go for Loki solo and be defeated or captured by overwhelming force. Hulk would show up, but with no Stark or Cap waiting for him, but he'd likely do a lot of smashing, indefinitely, unable to ever stop the flow. He'd probably still be smashing Chitauri right now. Widow might go with Cap, but Cap would be unlikely to trust Widow or Hawkeye, though he might bring them along anyway.

I think I could dig a cool post apocalyptic setting, where Phil Coulson never had died and New York got destroyed and the Chitauri took over the Earth while the Avengers slowly begin to form a resistance movement. Could be cool. But yeah? No Coulson death? No circle. No plan. No teamwork. No victory. These people did not trust each other to save the world, period.

Believe me you guys don't like these movies as much as you think you do.
1.Half Fanboy enthusiasm and 3 Thirds Eyes Candy.And were taken and sold on it.
Because the story with the Exception of Iron Man 1.Cap 2.the Stories have been weak and lame.
Thor 1 and Cap 1 are second tier good.
the rest just support the eye candy.

Most of it is the connectedness. People are so disconnected nowadays, that feeling of being connected, that even your movie watching experience is part of something bigger, that really excites people. It's the same as watching a TV show... who cares if two or three episodes suck? There's more coming, and you need all the episodes to see the big picture. That's the main draw. Everything else, honestly, is just bonus, whether it be eye candy or story or comic book easter eggs.

 

[Hmarrs]

Joss said that they shot the alternate ending and designed his new suit in case Disney said "No, this is a franchise, you idiot! You can't kill him off!" As PunyGod mentioned, you've always got to be prepared.

Had it been DC it would have never been allowed.

While I would've preferred he live, I understand the choice to kill him off. Somebody needed to die to show that there was danger and weight to the situation. And if I had to pick any of the characters it would've been him.

NOOO...So a Floating City about to crash down to destroy all mankind wasn't enough to show the DANGER OF THE SITUATION???
No that's just an excuse a cheap parlor trick to highten the moment and draw a reaction to which I had none.Just Anger.this was just a Ploy to get the Blogs Buzzing just Trolling in a Movie that's all.becuase even bad publicity is considered good publicity.Death is only useful in a movie depend on how it pertains to the story or its just useless and so was Coulson's death and Nick Furies death...Wastless and useless and now with each movie it will have less and less weight each time loses its WOW factor until nobody cares anymore...AND THAT IS WHAT WILL BE THE DEATH OF COMIC BOOK MOVIES.

Look at the Comics

Death of Phoenix $$$$$$

Death of Flash $$$$

Death of Superman $$

Death of Cap $$

Death of Thor $

Death of Wolverine

 

[The_Human]

Thor, iron man and Vision triple attack was good because it took all 3 of them to melt down and weaken his form. So that is totally justifiable and makes sense.

Thor should of fought a little longer with Ultron that would of been interesting as he was holding back against Iron Man in Avengers 1.

 

[Moridin]

In regards to the cave sequence I wanted more from it, I think there wasn't enough Thor in this film. So I'm on the side of Marvel over Whedon here. I agree that cutting Loki's scene was a good move. The whole Loki reveal where he took Odin's throne (or alluded to) should be left for the revealed in the next Thor movie.

The original cave sequence was much longer and more involved than what made it into the film according to Whedon in the Empire podcast interview. It would have had Selvig asking a possesed Thor the questions and the spirits answering through Thor. I'd love to see, hope it's on the DVD.

Loki appearing wouldn't have been a reveal that he's alive either as it happens in Thors vision.

Thor, iron man and Vision triple attack was good because it took all 3 of them to melt down and weaken his form. So that is totally justifiable and makes sense.

One of my favourite shots in the film. The way the camera swings around on it and their positioning... awesome.

 

[Hmarrs]

This. Every single film someone fake-dies. If you want a darker movie, someone has to go. QS not only offers the least to the Avengers (he's not a classic Avenger, nor an integral part of many stories), but his death offers the most to the Avengers, not only making the movie better by having a fakeout of Hawkeye's seemingly oncoming death, and giving Wanda a huge character moment and a need to move forward.

And like drod said... everyone else would be a horrible idea.

Big 3 - Unacceptable
Black people - cliche
Females - sausage fest
Vision - needed for plot
Hulk - not possible
Hawkeye - Too expected. By turning Hawkeye's uselessness around on it's head they gave the movie some actual heart. Killing him off because he has the least power not only has less impact, but sends the message that what makes these guys important is their powers, not who they are. That would be sucky.

But see I disagree because there is so much story there in the beginning between Vision Scarlet witch where Pietro gets in the middle of it.
Plus the Netflix Daredevil is Dark and there's just to much death where it loses its effect but just to use it for effect is wrong too. Alot of people still disagree with Ulrich's death. The relevance of death in any Genre is only contrasted by the importance of life in the said Genre.

And then....maybe they do like them as much as they think they do. Just who the hell are you to tell people their opinion is wrong? OPINIONS are the personal conclusions that someone forms about something....you, me, or everyone else in the world has no say if person Xs opinion about a movie is wrong or right.

Whoa!!!..whoa! you dont have to be so hostile and use such language sorry if I came off that way.I meant no harm believe me and my word is not the end all be all.Just things don't come out the same way on text.
I too am getting sold on the Candy.The reason why I say we don't actually enojoy it as much as we think we do is because after all the excitement and the dust settles and we start consentrating on the content we all come on here to discuss what we didn't actually like. After the fact.Again I meant no disrespect to anyone.

They knew enough. I think what people miss until that point is that the Avengers were individuals, who were motivated to save the world as individuals.
I think I could dig a cool post apocalyptic setting, where Phil Coulson never had died and New York got destroyed and the Chitauri took over the Earth while the Avengers slowly begin to form a resistance movement. Could be cool. But yeah? No Coulson death? No circle. No plan. No teamwork. No victory. These people did not trust each other to save the world, period.

Most of it is the connectedness. People are so disconnected nowadays, that feeling of being connected, that even your movie watching experience is part of something bigger, that really excites people. It's the same as watching a TV show... who cares if two or three episodes suck? There's more coming, and you need all the episodes to see the big picture. That's the main draw. Everything else, honestly, is just bonus, whether it be eye candy or story or comic book easter eggs.

I agree and disagree.
There are other ways do you think it would have effected the story any different had Coulsen been in intensive care or showed up at the end?..IF we would have thought he was dead through out the fight?
Ok lets say that's too Hookey..
Don't you think watching millions die innocently would have been enough to cause them to decide to make a decision to band together.
The Death factor. I just feel like its forced.

 

[drod1985]

NOOO...So a Floating City about to crash down to destroy all mankind wasn't enough to show the DANGER OF THE SITUATION???
No that's just an excuse a cheap parlor trick to highten the moment and draw a reaction to which I had none.Just Anger.this was just a Ploy to get the Blogs Buzzing just Trolling in a Movie that's all.becuase even bad publicity is considered good publicity.Death is only useful in a movie depend on how it pertains to the story or its just useless and so was Coulson's death and Nick Furies death...Wastless and useless and now with each movie it will have less and less weight each time loses its WOW factor until nobody cares anymore...AND THAT IS WHAT WILL BE THE DEATH OF COMIC BOOK MOVIES.

Yeah, a faux-meteor on the verge of creating an extinction level event is a huge deal with a massive sense of danger. But when it comes down to it, despite what Tony says in TA, these guys are soldiers. Superhuman soldiers fighting in a superhuman war. And even when you win a war, you don't do so without any casualties. I don't think any hero's death has actually stuck in the MCU so far, and if they don't show that's possible then that can make some of the battles boring.

And while I agree that they could've edited the film a bit to make Pietro's death more impactful I wouldn't say that it had no affect on the story. First, it showed huge character growth as he sacrificed himself for Clint and the kid. Pietro and Clint had a rivalry throughout the film and Pietro matured past it. Also, Pietro's death will most likely play a huge part in Wanda's future. It will affect her motivations, demeanor, and may be her inspiration to actually continue fighting alongside The Avengers. She may want to prevent others from feeling the loss and pain she experienced.

Sure, while I would have preferred to see more of Pietro in future films, see his powers put to good use, and see more of his relationship with his sister, I understand the decision. And at the end of the day, this is all just a movie and one side of the Marvel universe. If you want more of the Pietro character there are plenty of comics to read.

Big 3 - Unacceptable
Black people - cliche
Females - sausage fest
Vision - needed for plot
Hulk - not possible
Hawkeye - Too expected. By turning Hawkeye's uselessness around on it's head they gave the movie some actual heart. Killing him off because he has the least power not only has less impact, but sends the message that what makes these guys important is their powers, not who they are. That would be sucky.

@ sausage fest. Your breakdown is totally logical. It's unfortuante, but Pietro drew the short stick here.

 

[MadVillainy]

This. Every single film someone fake-dies. If you want a darker movie, someone has to go. QS not only offers the least to the Avengers (he's not a classic Avenger, nor an integral part of many stories), but his death offers the most to the Avengers, not only making the movie better by having a fakeout of Hawkeye's seemingly oncoming death, and giving Wanda a huge character moment and a need to move forward.

And like drod said... everyone else would be a horrible idea.

Big 3 - Unacceptable
Black people - cliche
Females - sausage fest
Vision - needed for plot
Hulk - not possible
Hawkeye - Too expected. By turning Hawkeye's uselessness around on it's head they gave the movie some actual heart. Killing him off because he has the least power not only has less impact, but sends the message that what makes these guys important is their powers, not who they are. That would be sucky.

This is the best breakdown

 

[Tony Stark]

Believe me you guys don't like these movies as much as you think you do.
1.Half Fanboy enthusiasm and 3 Thirds Eyes Candy.And were taken and sold on it.
Because the story with the Exception of Iron Man 1.Cap 2.the Stories have been weak and lame.
Thor 1 and Cap 1 are second tier good.
the rest just support the eye candy.

that's pretty freaking arrogant and presumptuous.

 

[Hmarrs]

that's pretty freaking arrogant and presumptuous.

I apologize I never meant it that way.

 

[DanielFM]

However I have to admit that Cap standing his ground against Vibranium Ultron should of been a no no but still Cap did get tossed around and I enjoyed that scene regardless.

I don't know if I understood you, but the Ultron Cap fought had no vibranium on him. The new body appeared later.

 

[Quasar]

I guess that's one advantage to DC's separate universese in TV and Movies. A character (like Quicksilver) who dies in one universe can keep going in the other, although they'll be played by a different actor. Actually I can see a scenario where a character dies in the movie, has much fan lamenting, then next thing you know, that character has his own tv show.

 

[Hmarrs]

Yeah, a faux-meteor on the verge of creating an extinction level event is a huge deal with a massive sense of danger. But when it comes down to it, despite what Tony says in TA, these guys are soldiers. Superhuman soldiers fighting in a superhuman war. And even when you win a war, you don't do so without any casualties. I don't think any hero's death has actually stuck in the MCU so far, and if they don't show that's possible then that can make some of the battles boring.

The treat of death can be just as effective if done right.
Guardians of the Galaxy did it.Even with the proposed death of Groot he still comes back at the end so it can be done.

And while I agree that they could've edited the film a bit to make Pietro's death more impactful I wouldn't say that it had no affect on the story. First, it showed huge character growth as he sacrificed himself for Clint and the kid. Pietro and Clint had a rivalry throughout the film and Pietro matured past it. Also, Pietro's death will most likely play a huge part in Wanda's future. It will affect her motivations, demeanor, and may be her inspiration to actually continue fighting alongside The Avengers. She may want to prevent others from feeling the loss and pain she experienced.

That may one of the problems is that it feels rushed in both situations we are just barley introduced to the characters without given the time to grow an affection to them to where at least to me the death even matters thus appearing useless to me.Lets say Peitro had passed in the 3rd or even 4rth film IW can you imagine the impact?