Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - 4x02 - "Meet the New Boss" - Discussion Thread

[Village_Idiot]

Well shucks , I just Youtubed it , and yep , they called him Jeffery

Well , my Norman Osborn theory was a good one , while it lasted.............lol

 

[DN91]

The director could definitely be an android, based not only on not flinching at all from the blows but also the robotic way he started speaking while dealing with May.

But this show loves its inhumans. He's probably just an inhuman.

He did literally identify himself as an Inhuman when possessed May called him a monster.

 

[ssj wolverine]

God Daisy is annoying. Don't know how I was able to look past it in other seasons

 

[Nathan]

Because this time she's got a death wish.

 

[DN91]

I wonder who'll help set her head straight.

 

[The Shrike]

What if Jeffrey isn't really an inhuman so much as being 'not human'? They have dropped tons of references to LMDs, we have a 2nd gen LMD in the form of Aida. We all saw in CA:TFA what appeared to be a LMD at the 1st Stark Expo.

You'll note the square build of the 1st synthetic human and how it matches up nicely with Jeffrey's build. Jeffrey's existence could be something classified higher than Level 10, and as such nobody else knows. They dropped lots of SHIELD origin references and most notably Peggy Carter and her founding SHIELD and building the base. I foresee some episodes going back to that time in order to also wrap up the Agent Carter story that got left incomplete. With that, we could get a glimpse of Jeffrey back in the 1950s and looking the exact same. When May punched Jeffrey, it was like hitting solid rock. He didn't move, he didn't feel any pain, he didn't even react. More of a robotic reaction than an inhuman one. I can't see a human or inhuman taking a punch and not reacting at all to it.

Alaris comes to mind, has a connection to the Inhuman Royal Family too:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Alaris_(Earth-616)

The only problem of course is he is Jeffrey Mace:

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Jeffrey_Mace

The Jeffrey Mace in the comics though wasn't a superpowered individual, nor was he an inhuman, so they have retconned the character. The only question remains is how much.

 

[Vartha]

WOW that was an AWESOME episode!

 

[Flint Marko]

Never heard of this character before. Interested to see where it goes. I'm always wary of characters that seem perfect upon first glance as they're obviously always hiding something; this guy's either up to no good, or a robot.

 

[Guard82]

Interesting what we've seen/learned about the new director so far. I had originally speculated that he might be Thomas Halloway, the Golden Age Angel, but it seems now that he's probably Jeffrey Mace, the Golden Age Patriot. And there was a lot of nice spooky stuff in this episode.

 

[Broseph44]

God Daisy is annoying. Don't know how I was able to look past it in other seasons

I can't stand her. Ever since season 1, this entire series she gets worse and worse for me.

 

[BatsDC]

I can't stand Daisy / Skye / whatever either. Nor Simmons. The rest of the main cast is pretty bland too

 

[Set]

but it seems now that he's probably Jeffrey Mace, the Golden Age Patriot.

It might be interesting if the Terrigen process de-aged him somehow. At the moment, he seems a bit young-ish and out-of-nowhere to be 'some SHIELD guy we never heard of, who's an old friend of Coulson, and the President thinks was a good pick for super-human SHIELD Director?'

If this new guy was, until recently, a retired higher level SHIELD agent, 'too old for this business,' who busted out of a cocoon half his age and twice as tough, that might make more sense than him being one of those 'old high-ranking SHIELD agents we've failed to see during the systematic devastation of upper ranks of SHIELD over the last few years, who happens to be good friends with Coulson, who, until this very second, apparently forgot he existed, since he's desperately needed high-ranking SHIELD agents he could trust for about four years now...'

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Does anyone recognize the actor in the top left of the picture of the Momentum Alternative Energy Laboratory? Getting the feeling he might be Eli.

 

[Havok83]

Realistically, you'd think someone like Rhodey would lead SHIELD, or even Maria Hill. But I know the show can't afford them.

Rhodey is paralyzed and recovering from serious injuries. He really wouldnt be a good choice. The movies and this show dont really intersect besides AOS mentioning stuff in passing or minor characters showing up, but nothing in a major capacity. Rhodey and Maria would have never been considered for an ongoing recurring role here

 

[Dark Raven]

Well with no Agent Carter to help spread out a winter break, I'm betting we see more breaks spread out throughout the season now

Maybe we'll get Marvel's Most Wanted during the winter break and we can talk about it in the nice forum we have for it.

Rhodey is paralyzed and recovering from serious injuries. He really wouldnt be a good choice. The movies and this show dont really intersect besides AOS mentioning stuff in passing or minor characters showing up, but nothing in a major capacity. Rhodey and Maria would have never been considered for an ongoing recurring role here

Emily VanCamp could have though. Not as director, because she's too young, but for an ongoing role on AOS, since she's a TV actress. But then, so is Cobie Smulders.

 

[Havok83]

Maybe we'll get Marvel's Most Wanted during the winter break and we can talk about it in the nice forum we have for it.



Emily VanCamp could have though. Not as director, because she's too young, but for an ongoing role on AOS, since she's a TV actress. But then, so is Cobie Smulders.

I dont think being a TV actress is the major factor here. Maria Hill gets used in the films. Its easier to just keep everything seperate so you dont run into the possibility of having contradictions or continuity holes. They largely dont have them interact much to keep it as simple as possible. The movies still havent acknowledged Coulson so to have Maria crossover would effectively take her out of the films and there is still probably use for her. It would especially get messy around time of the next Avengers film release trying to coordinate that.

I think Sharon is boring and the character doesnt have the experience to be director. Im fine with it being this new guy as there definitely seems to be interesting plans for him.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

It seems like it's going to be a slow burn for answers this season, so buckle up.

Again, another reason I wish TV seasons for shows like this were shorter. It means less filler and we can get to the point faster.

Couldn't agree more. 10-13 episodes is perfect.

 

[scarlet-witch]

Rhodey is paralyzed and recovering from serious injuries. He really wouldnt be a good choice. The movies and this show dont really intersect besides AOS mentioning stuff in passing or minor characters showing up, but nothing in a major capacity. Rhodey and Maria would have never been considered for an ongoing recurring role here

Rhodey I could maybe see not being considered because he's a military man, but Maria, IMO would absolutely have been considered. She was seen as one of Fury's most trusted and with him gone, I think it would be quite obvious she could handle it.

I know the show doesn't intersect with the movies often, but bringing in Hill, or even Sharon Carter would be a nice (and inexpensive) nod. My biggest non-Daisy related annoyance is how some things on the show seem unrealistic without the Avengers getting involved, having one of them in the show would be a nice compromise.

 

[Dark Raven]

But Maria Hill has been in the show several times before.

 

[Havok83]

But Maria Hill has been in the show several times before.

She's appeared in 3 episodes which is a big difference then her being an ongoing character in a significant role, one that would have larger implications for her beyond this show

 

[scarlet-witch]

But since her roles in the movies is significantly small, putting her on the TV show wouldn't impact it very much, IMO. If they're not going to tell the Avengers Coulson is alive, therefore not bringing him back into the movies. I don't see why Hill can't be in both.

Or Sharon.

 

[Havok83]

But since her roles in the movies is significantly small, putting her on the TV show wouldn't impact it very much, IMO. If they're not going to tell the Avengers Coulson is alive, therefore not bringing him back into the movies. I don't see why Hill can't be in both.

Or Sharon.

her role in the films are rather small but being Director of SHIELD is a big deal and I dont see how she can be in a film and not have that be addressed and tackled. Thats the larger implication I was getting at. It would be a big disconnect for it to be ignored. That might interfere with whatever narrative they have planned for her and/or the films. Her random appearances before didnt change her status within the MCU.

And the Avengers likely know Coulson is alive. Nothing in the films has contradicted that even if it wasnt addressed, which honestly, it didnt need to be. Maria and Fury know and interacted with him, not to mention Captain America and Black Widow both continued to work for SHIELD after he was brought back to the organization. Coulson's return wasnt a secret as he was openly working and in the public eye. Considering SHIELD collapsed in season 1 and The Avengers severed ties with it in TWS, there really was no need for Coulson to be in the films

 

[Uskok]

And the Avengers likely know Coulson is alive. Nothing in the films has contradicted that even if it wasnt addressed, which honestly, it didnt need to be. Maria and Fury know and interacted with him, not to mention Captain America and Black Widow both continued to work for SHIELD after he was brought back to the organization. Coulson's return wasnt a secret as he was openly working and in the public eye. Considering SHIELD collapsed in season 1 and The Avengers severed ties with it in TWS, there really was no need for Coulson to be in the films

Just because Rogers and Romanoff worked for S.H.I.E.L.D. at the same time as Coulson doesn't mean they knew he was alive. Even S.H.I.E.L.D.'s secrets have secrets. No one can know everything. And despite his work in the public, Coulson is legally still dead, which is why he's not the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. anymore.

 

[ChrisTinnef]

In case anyone is wondering, I watched last night with my Dish closed-captioning on (sometimes I don't catch what they say, so it makes it easier), and before I even saw his face (and well before I knew his first name was Jeff), when it was May and Coulson waiting outside his office, and the Director was talking, the CC gave his name as "MACE: <Whatever he said here>."

Well, that's an unspectacular way of giving away the name

What if Jeffrey isn't really an inhuman so much as being 'not human'? They have dropped tons of references to LMDs, we have a 2nd gen LMD in the form of Aida. We all saw in CA:TFA what appeared to be a LMD at the 1st Stark Expo.

You'll note the square build of the 1st synthetic human and how it matches up nicely with Jeffrey's build. Jeffrey's existence could be something classified higher than Level 10, and as such nobody else knows. They dropped lots of SHIELD origin references and most notably Peggy Carter and her founding SHIELD and building the base. I foresee some episodes going back to that time in order to also wrap up the Agent Carter story that got left incomplete. With that, we could get a glimpse of Jeffrey back in the 1950s and looking the exact same. When May punched Jeffrey, it was like hitting solid rock. He didn't move, he didn't feel any pain, he didn't even react. More of a robotic reaction than an inhuman one. I can't see a human or inhuman taking a punch and not reacting at all to it.

I was actually thinking the same thing. Inhumans are all over the place right now, so it would be much easier for him to tell everyone "I'm inhuman" rather than "[Long Story of real origin]". And the whole "I don't know nothing about the history of SHIELD, you should tell us, Phil" could very well be foreshadowing/a hint of the exact opposite.
Another idea could be that the director is in fact an LMD of Mace who took his place at some point (much like the Dum-Dum storyline in the comics).

 

[just one thing]

Just because Rogers and Romanoff worked for S.H.I.E.L.D. at the same time as Coulson doesn't mean they knew he was alive. Even S.H.I.E.L.D.'s secrets have secrets. No one can know everything. And despite his work in the public, Coulson is legally still dead, which is why he's not the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. anymore.

he is getting introduced to everybody as phil coulson, no attempt to change his handle. Each episode the circle of people who know him as someone who is alive gets bigger. There is another circle the number of people who presumed him dead. The intersecting point the number of people who did presume him dead but now know him to be alive is surly getting bigger. Surely the avengers are in that section by now. Either its going to get ignored indefinitely or leading to a simple 'i taught everybody knew line'