Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD - S02E14 - "Love in the Time of Hydra"

[Vartha]

G'day,

One is under control of the government, the other is not.

Ralph

Maybe, but that sounds more like DC's A.R.G.U.S.

 

[Mike5575]

So what are the differences between the two S.H.I.E.L.D.s?

Coulson's shield uses Mac, and the other shield uses Windows. This created a massive schism. Hydra uses Linux, and nobody knows why. It's so old.

 

[Steyin]

Don't like this "real" Shield business. I know the pace has been picking up, but I want it to go faster still.

 

[Uskok]

G'day,

One is under control of the government, the other is not.

Ralph

I don't think so. In the eyes of the law, S.H.I.E.L.D. is still a terrorist organization. All factions of it. Both Phil Coulson and Robert Gonzales (Edward James Olmos) are not working for the US Government anymore.

Hydra uses Linux, and nobody knows why. It's so old.

Raina would say:"That's so 1945." t:

 

[ralphuniverse]

G'day,

SHIELD never was working for the US government. Remember Winter Soldier? They were under the supervision of the World Security Council. Although those people were killed off they can be easily replaced.

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Ralph

I don't think so. In the eyes of the law, S.H.I.E.L.D. is still a terrorist organization. All factions of it. Both Phil Coulson and Robert Gonzales (Edward James Olmos) are not working for the US Government anymore.



Raina would say:"That's so 1945." t:

 

[Uskok]

G'day,

SHIELD never was working for the US government. Remember Winter Soldier? They were under the supervision of the World Security Council. Although those people were killed off they can be easily replaced.

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Ralph

S.H.I.E.L.D. was working for the US Government during the events of Iron Man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FxSLxxckZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXZsFN5rkTs

 

[Silvermoon]

S.H.I.E.L.D. was working for the US Government during the events of Iron Man.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FxSLxxckZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXZsFN5rkTs

Eh.... careful about taking tie-in comics as primary canon. IMO, they should be treated as secondary canon and not much more - the films can always overrule any information contained in them (i.e. in the prelude tie-in for (I believe) The First Avenger, it has Steve meeting Bucky for the first time as a kid with both of them being orphans. The Winter Soldier nixed that aspect with the flashback scene that shows us Bucky and Steve as young men referencing Bucky's (still alive) parents and Steve's mom having just barely passed away).

The first Iron Man film only takes place about a year and a half before the events of Avengers, so I'd say SHIELD answering to the World Security Council (and not POTUS) in the first Avengers film seems to nix that information in those comics.

 

[Uskok]

Eh.... careful about taking tie-in comics as primary canon. IMO, they should be treated as secondary canon and not much more - the films can always overrule any information contained in them (i.e. in the prelude tie-in for (I believe) The First Avenger, it has Steve meeting Bucky for the first time as a kid with both of them being orphans. The Winter Soldier nixed that aspect with the flashback scene that shows us Bucky and Steve as young men referencing Bucky's (still alive) parents and Steve's mom having just barely passed away).

Maybe they were both adopted.

 

[Uskok]

The first Iron Man film only takes place about a year and a half before the events of Avengers, so I'd say SHIELD answering to the World Security Council (and not POTUS) in the first Avengers film seems to nix that information in those comics.

 

[Brownbear]

G'day,

One is under control of the government, the other is not.

Ralph

which is which?

 

[Silvermoon]

Maybe they were both adopted.

Possible. To me, though, if he loved his adoptive parents as much as it seemed he did in the flashback, I would think they would have changed his last name from Rogers to whatever their last name was when they adopted him. And if was, say, his father's brother and his wife that adopted him (which would account for him maintaining the Rogers name) - I'm not sure he would have spent as much time in the Orphanage as the prelude implied (I want to say at least 6 or 7 years). I don't *think* in the 1920's/1930's there was as much red tape to jump through when adopting a child as there is today. Plus if it were an aunt and uncle, I think he would have gone ahead and called them such instead of 'mom & dad'.

Retconning the tie-in seems a much simpler answer, just my speculation though.

Spoiler

Okay, I'll clarify a bit.... I don't think they've been under the auspices of the US government for a number of years. Old logos still floating around (and even being used) IMO isn't necessarily indicative (as even in Agents of SHIELD we've seen times where an older logo is present as opposed to the newer sharper/straight edged logo. Hill's office in the pilot springs to mind). It just seems to me that Fury (in Avengers) has been answering to the WSC for longer than a year and a half.

Ultimately, the reason I first responded was to simply recommend caution with using tie-in comics as canon. Digging further, the two you linked to came out in 2008 and of the lists I can find (of what constitutes official MCU tie-in comics), those two are not listed. The first listed official tie-in being Iron Man 2: Public Identity (in 2010). That leaves the logo which as I indicated above I think can be worked around (and wouldn't be the first time items or props in the films had to be explained around a bit - i.e. certain dates on things like computer screens or newspapers don't always match up with how dialogue indicates the timeline actually is)

Anywho, I feel like I'm derailing this thread now Back to discussions of the episode

 

[Vartha]

Don't forget the visit to Shield headquarters last season. There was a statue in the lobby LIKE the other Faction's Emblem

 

[Pokkle]

 

[Silvermoon]

To go with Pokkle's post:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/03/19/agent-ward-returns-new-agents-shield-art

Spoiler

Agent Ward returns in newest Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. art -- exclusive
BY ANDREA TOWERS • @ATVGEEK82

(Marvel/ABC Studios)
Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Posted March 19 2015 — 9:38 AM EDT

In the first few episodes of the back half of season 2, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has dealt with Inhumans, Krees, visiting Asgardian warriors, secrets, and father-daughter conflicts—and has done so without its main Hydra antagonist. Grant Ward hasn’t been seen since the fall finale, where after being shot by Skye, he was last glimpsed teaming up with a distraught Agent 33 (Maya Stojan), someone who had also been abandoned by Whitehall’s untimely death.

Next week, however, that will all change. “Love In The Time of Hydra” not only brings about Ward’s return, but Agent 33’s return, as well. And as the art for this week teases, she’ll be keeping with the trend of wearing many different faces.

Given her penchant of bringing characters to life through expressive drawings that resonate with readers, Annie Wu was the obvious choice for this week’s art. Aside from her stellar work on Marvel’s acclaimed Hawkeye series (written by Matt Fraction), Wu also lends her talents to Adult Swim’s The Venture Bros.; currently, she’s serving as a storyboard revisionist for the show’s sixth season. She recently co-created the new Batgirl with writer Scott Peterson, and her next project will be illustrating DC Comics’ upcoming Black Canary solo series, written by Brendan Fletcher, out this June. Oh, and you might also know her from some work she’s done for EW.

In our weekly exclusive chat, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.’s executive producer Jeff Bell breaks down Wu’s art and teases what we can expect with Ward’s return.



EW: I’ve been a fan of Annie Wu for a long time, and her style is so perfect for this piece given what you’ve chosen to show from this episode. This art has so many layers: the double images, the fact that Skye and Agent May are represented visually, and then there’s the fun connection that Agent 33 did wear May’s face in an earlier episode. So much is represented here in an artistically fun way.
JEFF BELL: I also like how this contrasts with last week’s. Internally, we joke and talk about Agent Ward is the “best boyfriend ever!” and you’ll see that in this episode.

So this is the first time we’ve seen Ward since the show has come back. I assume we’ll find out what he’s been up to while our team has been dealing with Skye’s powers?
We call this “Love In The Time of Hydra,” and so you’re going to see what happened. At the end of “What They Become,” which was our mid-season finale, Agent 33 and Ward limp off together towards the sunset. And this episode will bring us up to date and see what that has meant. And as the poster suggests, love is in the air.

Love is in the air with who? That’s my question!
Well, what I love about the poster is he’s holding two women. And if you focus on the red you see the one, but if you focus on the blue, you see the other. And half of that goes to Agent 33, who has two faces—who doesn’t know who she is, who has no real memory of that. And it also goes to the fact that she’s been imitating other people as she did with Agent May. And so it’s sort of this dichotomy in the romantic way the red girl is looking up at him, and the way the blue one leans into him like he’s all dreamy. I mean, it’s really twisted. [Laughs]

And the red girl also is branded with the S.H.I.E.L.D. logo.
Because Agent 33 was initially a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent before Hydra took her and destroyed her. So that’s all there. And a big part of the story in episode 14 is about these two.

Speaking of the S.H.I.E.L.D. logo, I love how it’s been popping up here and also in all the previous artwork. It’s so different than from last year, when there was so much Hydra.
We’re in a Hydra-light part of the season. We started off pretty Hydra-heavy, and right now we have our hands full with more personal matters. We have Skye with her new ability, and so Hydra has been less of a threat, and it’s been nice for us to feel a little more diversity in terms of the kinds of stories we can tell by having Sif and the Kree show up and “One of Us,” which looks at Skye’s father and his band of fun folk. It’s just really bringing Ward into his own as an antagonist.

And it also helps expands the universe of the show.
There’s some fun twists and turns in the episode. There’s one act out that they’ll probably put as a teaser that I think will get a lot of people talking, and that’s all I’ll say. We love our act-outs, and there’s one where hopefully you go “What? No way!” That’s the hope.

I know it’s been mentioned that we’ll see Agent 33 continue to try on “new” faces…can you tease if anyone else on the team is getting the “double” treatment?
I think we can assume many things! [Laughs]

“Love In The Time of Hydra” airs Tuesday, March 24 at 9 p.m. ET on ABC. Be sure to check in at EW to see the exclusive reveal of next week’s art for episode 15, “One Door Closes.” The art for “Love In The Time Of Hydra” will go on sale on Friday, March 20 at www.marvelshop.com/agentsofshield as a $49.99 print (limited to 100 copies) at 12:30 a.m. PT.

 

[fixxxer]

Agreed with Silvermoon 100% as to the tie-in comics being secondary canon. I leave more than I take from them. The Iron Man 2 tie-in comic had Stark inventing Vibranium... which is straight-up nonsense.

 

[DN91]

In Cap 2, I think a government official referred to S.H.I.E.L.D. as their "intelligence apparatus" during the Black Widow trial scene from the end.

 

[metaphysician]

Maybe, but that sounds more like DC's A.R.G.U.S.

Can't be, they haven't inflicted nearly enough collateral damage yet.

 

[metaphysician]

Agreed with Silvermoon 100% as to the tie-in comics being secondary canon. I leave more than I take from them. The Iron Man 2 tie-in comic had Stark inventing Vibranium... which is straight-up nonsense.

Why? The metal he created has similar properties to vibranium, and the formula was provided by the last person known to have extensive experience with vibranium.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

What's so stupid about shield having splinter groups after its fall? Makes perfect sense.

Yeah there's no reason why other high ranking officials couldn't have bunkered down with their own people after Winter Soldier and naturally they'd be mistrustful of other factions intentions.

Love EJO. Can't wait for this.

 

[just one thing]

be interesting to see if real shield has been up to anything other than infiltrating coulsons team.


and coulson dealing with another year of people infiltrating his team.

 

[Uskok]

In Cap 2, I think a government official referred to S.H.I.E.L.D. as their "intelligence apparatus" during the Black Widow trial scene from the end.

Exactly.

General S. Scudder: Why haven't we yet heard from Captain Rogers?
Natasha Romanoff: I don't know what's left left for him to say. I think the rock in the middle of the Potomac made his point fairly eloquently.
General S. Scudder: Well, he could explain how this country is expected to maintain its national security now that he and you have laid waste to our intelligence apparatus.

 

[coluanprime]

I'm not sure if anyone at Marvel knows whether SHIELD was international or not. Remember, the Hub, a major base, was in Eastern Europe (it was never stated, but the logistics of the episode mean it has to be). In Providence, Skye also mentioned the East African headquarters.

 

[BoredGuy]

yeah but I think that's more outposts or black sites like the CIA has, as opposed to being a fully international body

the general's words at the end of TWS really leave very little room for speculation
SHIELD is an American intelligence agency in the MCU.

 

[Silvermoon]

Then why does the WSC get a say in what SHIELD does instead of strictly a group within the U.S. government? The US utilized and worked with SHIELD, using intelligence SHIELD provided/shared for US national security and interests, yes, but I think that and the general's words can still apply to an international organization. He's just talking about how the fall of SHIELD affects the US directly.

Just my take on it (and sorry if it didn't make sense).

 

[BoredGuy]

No I get that
but I also think the "World Security Council" is not exactly the international body we'd normally picture, in the MCU
namely wasn't there multiple Americans on the council?
They came off more as some shady Illuminati type group than an actual UN sanctioned body or something, to me at least
The security council of the UN, for instance, has no sort of authority to launch any nuclear strikes

IDK, I guess it can be interpreted many ways