Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 10

[Vartha]

Ya did you see in the preview were she said she had something to beat Ward? I'm assuming she lets loose some power

Maybe, could just be the Trojan

 

[Herolee10]

I'm going to post this here in case if anyone missed it...

Not sure if I brought up this question, and if I had then my apologies, but after everything that we've seen so far from the fallout of "TWS", do you guys still think that Captain America taking down SHIELD was a good idea in the long run or that he should have listened to Fury and salvage what they could of it?

 

[Anubis]

Still remains to be seen.

 

[Loki882]

It'd be better just to rebuild the entire thing from the ground up. That way, they can make damn sure that nothing like what happened with HYDRA ever happens again and they can fix a lot of the problems that plagued the old SHIELD. So no, Cap was not wrong. The fact that SHIELD mainstays BW and Maria Hill (who was also Fury's protégé/second in command) both agreed with him speaks volumes.

 

[Heretic]

I'm going to post this here in case if anyone missed it...

Not sure if I brought up this question, and if I had then my apologies, but after everything that we've seen so far from the fallout of "TWS", do you guys still think that Captain America taking down SHIELD was a good idea in the long run or that he should have listened to Fury and salvage what they could of it?

SHIELD was a problem that needed to be dealt with. Their goals weren't THAT different from Hydras...they just called themselves the good guys.

 

[Loki882]

Their goals were VERY different from HYDRA's. It was their methods that were uncomfortably close to HYDRA's at times.

 

[Heretic]

Eh, whatever.

SHIELD planned to launch a worldwide spy grid that could kill potential threats before they became a threat. They wanted to do this to guarantee safety, at the cost of freedom. Hydra wanted to do the same thing, but instead of SHIELD being in charge of who lives and who dies, it would be Hydra. SHIELD had to go.

 

[sabetoonth]

Eh, whatever.

SHIELD planned to launch a worldwide spy grid that could kill potential threats before they became a threat. They wanted to do this to guarantee safety, at the cost of freedom. Hydra wanted to do the same thing, but instead of SHIELD being in charge of who lives and who dies, it would be Hydra. SHIELD had to go.

The primary difference, SHIELD would target terrorists, extremists and folks we'd generally labor as "bad guys", HYDRA was targeting people who were threats to HYDRA

 

[DN91]

The "new" SHIELD, if there are guys like Coulson, Hill, Rogers, and others at the helm, would be a lot better. Especially, since that said new organization would be (mostly?) free of any hidden Hydra corruption or whatnot.

 

[Loki882]

Plus, SHIELD's version of Project Insight wasn't all that different from what the government currently does with drone strikes against suspected terrorists. It was just on a much bigger scale.

 

[Charlatan]

get ready for a large file transfer

lol

 

[DN91]

Would the SHIELD-run version of Insight even target aliens or otherworldly beings like Loki or the Chitauri?

 

[iambranded]

get ready for a large file transfer

lol

Classic

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, that scene made me laugh.

 

[Heretic]

The primary difference, SHIELD would target terrorists, extremists and folks we'd generally labor as "bad guys", HYDRA was targeting people who were threats to HYDRA

SHIELD were targeting people that they deemed POTENTIAL threats. Captain America's point was that it isn't right to keep the world safe through fear. If people are afraid to question SHIELD, then we aren't free.

 

[sabetoonth]

And I'll bet you ten bucks none of those potential threats were the POTUS, Avengers or their own personnel.

 

[Octavias]

get ready for a large file transfer

lol

I LOL'd at that one... that really was great

 

[Heretic]

And I'll bet you ten bucks none of those potential threats were the POTUS, Avengers or their own personnel.

And I'll bet you that they weren't all guilty of something. That's Captain America's point. SHIELD were wrong to do even what they were planning to do.

 

[Eddie]

And I'll bet you ten bucks none of those potential threats were the POTUS, Avengers or their own personnel.

All of the Avengers were on threat watch. That was established in The Avengers.

 

[Charlatan]

I LOL'd at that one... that really was great

yeah and the large file transfer also crashed windows

 

[AquamanOS]

They were on threat watch yeah, but I don't think Shield planned on preemptively killing all the Avengers and everyone that could ever possibly be a problem in the future regardless of their current standing or morality just in case. Which was basically Hydra's goal. Everyone non Hydra that could challenge them and even children that they thought based on their intelligence and skill might grow up to be potential threats.

I mean yes even regular Insight was a little extreme, but it sounds like they were just targetting known dictators terrorists and other evil people that they didn't have the legal ok to target yet/didn't commit any crimes or kill anyone the WSC cared about.

That's a whole other level right there.

 

[therealhitman]

yeah and the large file transfer also crashed windows

Genius. Pure genius.

 

[Herolee10]

Great responses from everyone that replied to my post.

On another note, do you guys think that it's been intentional, somewhat, that the show never really seems to bring up the "Avengers" as being a potential response to all of the craziness that's going on within the series as of late or if it's just something that's never come across their minds?

I mean I just think that it's kind of weird on how none of the governments or agents ever bring up on how they can at least rely on the Avengers to take on these new threats should it become too big for them all to handle.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Great responses from everyone that replied to my post.

On another note, do you guys think that it's been intentional, somewhat, that the show never really seems to bring up the "Avengers" as being a potential response to all of the craziness that's going on within the series as of late or if it's just something that's never come across their minds?

I mean I just think that it's kind of weird on how none of the governments or agents ever bring up on how they can at least rely on the Avengers to take on these new threats should it become too big for them all to handle.

The issue seems to stem from the fact that all of the Avengers think Coulson is dead. We saw this last week and in "Yes Men" when Sif appeared.

 

[Heretic]

They were on threat watch yeah, but I don't think Shield planned on preemptively killing all the Avengers and everyone that could ever possibly be a problem in the future regardless of their current standing or morality just in case. Which was basically Hydra's goal. Everyone non Hydra that could challenge them and even children that they thought based on their intelligence and skill might grow up to be potential threats.

I mean yes even regular Insight was a little extreme, but it sounds like they were just targetting known dictators terrorists and other evil people that they didn't have the legal ok to target yet/didn't commit any crimes or kill anyone the WSC cared about.

That's a whole other level right there.

Insight was targeting whoever the people in charge wanted to target. The people in charge were Hydra. That's the problem. Cap's point is that we can't put THAT much power into the hands of the powerful.