Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 10

[Pond]

...I'm still out on Fitz n Simmons being an item.
I'm surprised the fact one's Irish and the other British hasn't been explored.

He is from Scotland, she is from England. They are both British.

 

[Pond]

Thanks for the info! Sounds like the show has gotten more interesting so I will be adding it back to my DVR lineup. Ill go back and watch T.R.A.C.K.S.

Personally the show starts to get on high with episode 10, The Bridge, when it ceases to be a monster of the week series and starts a continous narrative. And they really start to tackle the TAHITI problem. You get also the story of Petrsen from the start. I feel its a perfect re-starting point. Just mt two cents.

 

[Shikamaru]

Thanks for the info! Sounds like the show has gotten more interesting so I will be adding it back to my DVR lineup. Ill go back and watch T.R.A.C.K.S.

The show really has gotten a lot more interesting. I would group episode quality like this:

Episodes 1 to 10 - just "meh". Too bland and boring, nothing really going on. The potential is there, but there is literally no "engine".

Episodes 11 to 15 - This is where the show gets very interesting. The characters start getting interesting, there is buildup, plot twists, all that good stuff.

Episode 16 and onward - This is where the show truly reaches greatness. It's also when the Captain America fallout starts.

 

[Dr. Evil]

There's also an Asgardian who plays a major role in an episode....two Asgardians in fact, but one we've seen before.

 

[Dark Raven]

Fitz is definitely Scottish. That's not remotely an Irish accent he has.

 

[Pond]

Fitz is definitely Scottish. That's not remotely an Irish accent he has.

In TRACKS Skye tried a scottish accent before Fitz decided that if they were a couple from the same country, he better put on an american accent. De castaker was born in Glasgow.

 

[Herolee10]

You know, given Coulson's whole reaction to SHIELD's Downfall, and his "big" speeches as of late, I feel the show is trying to imply that Captain America made a bad call in ending SHIELD for good as opposed to going with Fury's original idea in trying to salvage the organization.

I mean we see Coulson and the good agents all broken up about having nowhere to go, and Coulson making a BIG DEAL on how SHIELD is supposedly the only people that can protect the world and now that SHIELD is no longer there, people are at risks....but with the way CA:TWS ended, it concluded with the notion that ending SHIELD was for the best.

Anyone else confused about this?

 

[Shikamaru]

I see it as Coulson still clinging on to whatever he has left of SHIELD. He literally gave his life for the organization, so he wouldn't simply accept it being gone that easily. As he said (and believes), it still carries weight.

Plus, I don't think Coulson is necessarily saying that SHIELD as we know it is needed. I got the impression he was saying it's their duty to always do the right thing and fight the battles others can't fight, whether they're doing it under SHIELD or not. As he alluded to in his dialogue exchange with May, he believes what she did was morally wrong regardless of the fact she was following Fury's orders.

 

[Dr. Evil]

You know, given Coulson's whole reaction to SHIELD's Downfall, and his "big" speeches as of late, I feel the show is trying to imply that Captain America made a bad call in ending SHIELD for good as opposed to going with Fury's original idea in trying to salvage the organization.

I mean we see Coulson and the good agents all broken up about having nowhere to go, and Coulson making a BIG DEAL on how SHIELD is supposedly the only people that can protect the world and now that SHIELD is no longer there, people are at risks....but with the way CA:TWS ended, it concluded with the notion that ending SHIELD was for the best.

Anyone else confused about this?

A little bit. While in CA:TWS we see Agent 13 go to the CIA but with Agents of SHIELD we are left with a bunch of questions. Many of the characters that have been introduced in earlier episodes have not returned (although I think we'll see Graviton and maybe Donnie Gill in the finale) and this includes SHIELD personnel. We don't know their statuses.

 

[Herolee10]

I see it as Coulson still clinging on to whatever he has left of SHIELD. He literally gave his life for the organization, so he wouldn't simply accept it being gone that easily. As he said (and believes), it still carries weight.

Plus, I don't think Coulson is necessarily saying that SHIELD as we know it is needed. I got the impression he was saying it's their duty to always do the right thing and fight the battles others can't fight, whether they're doing it under SHIELD or not. As he alluded to in his dialogue exchange with May, he believes what she did was morally wrong regardless of the fact she was following Fury's orders.

A little bit. While in CA:TWS we see Agent 13 go to the CIA but with Agents of SHIELD we are left with a bunch of questions. Many of the characters that have been introduced in earlier episodes have not returned (although I think we'll see Graviton and maybe Donnie Gill in the finale) and this includes SHIELD personnel. We don't know their statuses.

Well, when you guys put it that way, it does make much more sense.

On another note, I feel like the show has definitely missed the boat when it comes to getting the insight on a few matters.

We've seen Coulson interact with Sitwell a lot and given on how it was revealed that he was a Sleeper Hydra agent in TWS, it kind of sucks that we didn't get to see Coulson's reaction towards learning that Sitwell was an Hydra agent.

Heck,the fact that Coulson has made no mentions about Captain America's involvement in the events of "TWS" is disappointing as well and I get a feeling that they won't really address on WHY Fury even brought Coulson back. I'll be happy to be proven wrong though.

 

[kosh33]

Artwork for Ep 20 "Nothing Personal"

http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/04/24/shield-art-deathlok/

Spoiler

Hmmmm

Skye brings Ward to his knees with her wonderful hair?

 

[kosh33]

Thanks for the info! Sounds like the show has gotten more interesting so I will be adding it back to my DVR lineup. Ill go back and watch T.R.A.C.K.S.

You have to rewatch from the beginning once the series is over. its all connected t: and its great to see the connections when you go back to the previous episodes

 

[kosh33]

You know, given Coulson's whole reaction to SHIELD's Downfall, and his "big" speeches as of late, I feel the show is trying to imply that Captain America made a bad call in ending SHIELD for good as opposed to going with Fury's original idea in trying to salvage the organization.

I mean we see Coulson and the good agents all broken up about having nowhere to go, and Coulson making a BIG DEAL on how SHIELD is supposedly the only people that can protect the world and now that SHIELD is no longer there, people are at risks....but with the way CA:TWS ended, it concluded with the notion that ending SHIELD was for the best.

Anyone else confused about this?

I think Cap did the right thing from his point of view, but the true agents who follow SHIELD's real intentions faithfully like Coulson would feel differently..

Coulson is an exceptional agent in terms of optimism, loyalty to the organistion and its motto, and moral code; Fury is lucky to have him, and he would be the right person to rebuild/reorganise SHIELD

 

[Loki882]

I thought that it was cool that the show finally directly referenced Alexander Pierce and Project Insight. I was waiting for that.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I thought that it was cool that the show finally directly referenced Alexander Pierce and Project Insight. I was waiting for that.

Those were nice references, but I wanted to know if Coulson knew about both.

 

[kosh33]

We've seen Coulson interact with Sitwell a lot and given on how it was revealed that he was a Sleeper Hydra agent in TWS, it kind of sucks that we didn't get to see Coulson's reaction towards learning that Sitwell was an Hydra agent.

Heck,the fact that Coulson has made no mentions about Captain America's involvement in the events of "TWS" is disappointing as well and I get a feeling that they won't really address on WHY Fury even brought Coulson back. I'll be happy to be proven wrong though.

I am starting to suspect that Coulson didnt consider Sitwell as a close friend, and that he was assigned by the Hydra handlers to tag alone with Coulson since he was close to Fury

i think Fury will tell why Coulson was brought up in the season finale,

 

[Raiden]

Well, when you guys put it that way, it does make much more sense.

On another note, I feel like the show has definitely missed the boat when it comes to getting the insight on a few matters.

We've seen Coulson interact with Sitwell a lot and given on how it was revealed that he was a Sleeper Hydra agent in TWS, it kind of sucks that we didn't get to see Coulson's reaction towards learning that Sitwell was an Hydra agent.

Heck,the fact that Coulson has made no mentions about Captain America's involvement in the events of "TWS" is disappointing as well and I get a feeling that they won't really address on WHY Fury even brought Coulson back. I'll be happy to be proven wrong though.

I doubt too many people know that Sitwell is Hydra, since ever since Cap exposed him they've been on the run. Maybe he didn't tell anybody else.

 

[Loki882]

I think Cap did the right thing from his point of view, but the true agents who follow SHIELD's real intentions faithfully like Coulson would feel differently..

Coulson is an exceptional agent in terms of optimism, loyalty to the organistion and its motto, and moral code; Fury is lucky to have him, and he would be the right person to rebuild/reorganise SHIELD

The problem is that those things do make Coulson a good man and a likeable character. However, they also somewhat limit his effectiveness as an intelligence operative/spy. I think that the show is hinting that Fury keeping these secrets from Coulson and co was the RIGHT decision, but that Coulson can't see that. The spy game is a dirty business and you sometimes have to compromise and make morally difficult choices. Fury, BW, Hill, etc can do that. I'm not sure that Coulson can. His optimism/idealism is likeable, but it also gets him and his team into trouble at times. I'd imagine that if Coulson were to lead a rebuilt SHIELD, he'd quickly find himself out of his depth.

 

[Herolee10]

I doubt too many people know that Sitwell is Hydra, since ever since Cap exposed him they've been on the run. Maybe he didn't tell anybody else.

True, but didn't Garrett like reveal that Sitwell was Hydra when he (Garrett) told the soldiers to do what Sitwell had trained them to do back in "The Beginning of the End" episode?

The problem is that those things do make Coulson a good man and a likeable character. However, they also somewhat limit his effectiveness as an intelligence operative/spy. I think that the show is hinting that Fury keeping these secrets from Coulson and co was the RIGHT decision, but that Coulson can't see that. The spy game is a dirty business and you sometimes have to compromise and make morally difficult choices. Fury, BW, Hill, etc can do that. I'm not sure that Coulson can. His optimism/idealism is likeable, but it also gets him and his team into trouble at times. I'd imagine that if Coulson were to lead a rebuilt SHIELD, he'd quickly find himself out of his depth.

Which makes sense given on how much Coulson supposedly reveres Captain America who would also have the same issues and problems when it comes to the dirtiness that the spy organization entails.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Previews for next week's episode hint at things getting tense between Hill and Coulson. She says "SHIELD is no more" and I think Coulson may have a hard time believing that.

 

[Dr. Evil]

True, but didn't Garrett like reveal that Sitwell was Hydra when he (Garrett) told the soldiers to do what Sitwell had trained them to do back in "The Beginning of the End" episode?

Yes. I don't think he was as close to Sitwell though as he was with Garrett. This show has gotten a lot better the last few episodes, but still a lot of questions left to be answered and addressed. The whereabouts of a lot of characters are unknown at this point.

 

[kosh33]

The problem is that those things do make Coulson a good man and a likeable character. However, they also somewhat limit his effectiveness as an intelligence operative/spy. I think that the show is hinting that Fury keeping these secrets from Coulson and co was the RIGHT decision, but that Coulson can't see that. The spy game is a dirty business and you sometimes have to compromise and make morally difficult choices. Fury, BW, Hill, etc can do that. I'm not sure that Coulson can. His optimism/idealism is likeable, but it also gets him and his team into trouble at times. I'd imagine that if Coulson were to lead a rebuilt SHIELD, he'd quickly find himself out of his depth.

I agree that he wouldnt be a good spy, but SHIELD is more than just spies, they have scientists, tech experts and trained operatives.. there are people who could be sent on missions to interact with superheroes like the avengers with diplomatic and persuasive skills.. coulson would fit that bill.. also he doesnt give away secrets even when torture.. so he has additional useful skills as well

 

[Dr. Evil]

The issue is though is that Coulson is such a strong believer in SHIELD that he has a hard time believing it's totally gone. Why else would the team start to have doubts about him in the episode "Providence?" and that speech before he throws his badge. Hill was also a strong believer in SHIELD, which was why she was second in command. But she was one of those who voted to disband SHIELD in Cap 2.

 

[Jasyn]

I agree that he wouldnt be a good spy, but SHIELD is more than just spies, they have scientists, tech experts and trained operatives.. there are people who could be sent on missions to interact with superheroes like the avengers with diplomatic and persuasive skills.. coulson would fit that bill.. also he doesnt give away secrets even when torture.. so he has additional useful skills as well

As you folks are debating Phil's managerial potential, I can't help but think of that scene in THOR 1 where Coulson pulls out the bullhorn in the desert and starts trying to talk down the Asgardian robot, The Destroyer, and then his SHIELD task force gets blasted. THAT scene was hilarious. t:

 

[Mysteryman]

The issue is though is that Coulson is such a strong believer in SHIELD that he has a hard time believing it's totally gone. Why else would the team start to have doubts about him in the episode "Providence?" and that speech before he throws his badge. Hill was also a strong believer in SHIELD, which was why she was second in command. But she was one of those who voted to disband SHIELD in Cap 2.

I would have hard time believing its gone too if Fury was sending me coordinates through my badge.