Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 2

[The Ironstar]

Why Disney's "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." Could Be Bigger Than "The Avengers" (DIS)

Here's why Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D could be even more important
Though Disney is also set continue its box-office domination through Thor: The Dark World in November, followed by Captain America: The Winter Soldier next April, that still leaves some awfully big shoes to fill for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in the meantime.
And you know what? I think Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is more than capable of doing so.
In fact, there are a number of reasons to believe this compelling new show could prove itself even more important to Disney over the long run than its box-office counterparts in the Avengers franchise.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

What's more, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. will enjoy leadership from two executive producers in Jeffrey Bell, who previously wrote for The X-Files and Alias, and none other than Jeph Loeb, who

 

[rashad]

Lol

 

[seahammer]

^^^Too funny/true.

On another (completely unrelated) note, I would like to see a mission to the Savage Land in some future season of this show. I don't expect to ever see a Ka-Zar film, so it it would be cool to have some X-Files-esque phenomenon that takes the team to Antarctica, where there is a tropical land of the lost that SHIELD is aware of but the general public is not.
Any thoughts?

 

[Mr. Dent]

Great leadership from Jeph Loeb, the guy who single handedly ruined Heroes, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Marvel's entire animation division thereafter, and the entire Ultimate universe. Him being anywhere near this scares me more than anything. I wish he would go back to DC. He would fit better with the backwards mentality there.

 

[Sawyer]

Great leadership from Jeph Loeb, the guy who single handedly ruined Heroes, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Marvel's entire animation division thereafter, and the entire Ultimate universe. Him being anywhere near this scares me more than anything. I wish he would go back to DC.

Except that no, he didn't. That was Tim Kring.

And the Ultimate Universe was barely any good to begin with.

 

[Mr. Dent]

It was Tim Kring's fault for putting Loeb on anything, yes.

And the Ultimate Universe was VERY good all the way up to Ultimatum i.e Loeb.

 

[Xeno]

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[Crimson King]

HAH

A symphony of boos for Loeb's involvement. Countdown to Red Hulk appearing begins...NOW.

 

[DrCosmic]

It was Tim Kring's fault for putting Loeb on anything, yes.

And the Ultimate Universe was VERY good all the way up to Ultimatum i.e Loeb.

Agreed and agreed, though some of the books had stopped being pure awesome before then, Ultimate was still the best most cohesive thing around, evidenced by how strongly it is referenced in the Marvel Universe that caused this show to happen in the first place. and Tim Kring didn't manage to ruin the first season of his own show, and was persuaded to not do his idea for the second season and instead went with Loeb and Alexander's stale impotent ideas. As soon as they were fired, the show got immensely better, but it was too late then. If Loeb and Alexander had been fired sooner, the show might still be on today.

Fortunately, Loeb doesn't have power, he can be out voted by the Whedon clan at a moment's notice. He knows he's just there to add to the things he can take credit for because he didn't have the power to ruin them.

 

[seahammer]

Agreed and agreed, though some of the books had stopped being pure awesome before then, Ultimate was still the best most cohesive thing around, evidenced by how strongly it is referenced in the Marvel Universe that caused this show to happen in the first place. and Tim Kring didn't manage to ruin the first season of his own show, and was persuaded to not do his idea for the second season and instead went with Loeb and Alexander's stale impotent ideas. As soon as they were fired, the show got immensely better, but it was too late then. If Loeb and Alexander had been fired sooner, the show might still be on today.

Fortunately, Loeb doesn't have power, he can be out voted by the Whedon clan at a moment's notice. He knows he's just there to add to the things he can take credit for because he didn't have the power to ruin them.

I remember the part in bold like it was yesterday. Ahh, Heroes, what could have been...

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So I finally just watched this. It was pretty good, with some new clips from the show. The mention of [BLACKOUT]Gamma Radiation[/BLACKOUT] may be the reason that one kid posted a video that he thinks [BLACKOUT]The Leader[/BLACKOUT] is a big-bad in Season 1.

Also, they re-emphasize the globe-trotting nature of the show. I'm going to say it again: I'd love for them to go to the Savage Land, and even some other Marvel Universe locales if they can (with the film rights all over the place, I don't know if they could use Madripoor, Latveria, etc.). Where else could they go? Wundagore?

 

[Xeno]

Agreed and agreed, though some of the books had stopped being pure awesome before then, Ultimate was still the best most cohesive thing around, evidenced by how strongly it is referenced in the Marvel Universe that caused this show to happen in the first place. and Tim Kring didn't manage to ruin the first season of his own show, and was persuaded to not do his idea for the second season and instead went with Loeb and Alexander's stale impotent ideas. As soon as they were fired, the show got immensely better, but it was too late then. If Loeb and Alexander had been fired sooner, the show might still be on today.

Fortunately, Loeb doesn't have power, he can be out voted by the Whedon clan at a moment's notice. He knows he's just there to add to the things he can take credit for because he didn't have the power to ruin them.

IIRC, NBC forced Loeb's firing because the quality of the show had tanked so hard with him in control, taking the ratings with it. Loeb & co. managed to systematically destroy every single thing that fans loved about Heroes and seemed to take great joy in doing so. The producers resisted getting rid of him and his cohort for a while, until the network put its foot down. Kring was an idiot for even hiring those guys, much less allowing them so much influence.


One cannot discount Loeb's influence on AOS because he is head of Marvel's TV division. After what he's done to the animation division it's clear that Marvel likes his vision for whatever reason. Loeb has to be itching to dip his fingers into the live action pie again, after years of failure to develop a show on his own. He's trusted and obviously well-liked at Marvel, so he'll likely be listened to. If AOS starts off hot and rapidly declines, look no further than Jeph Loeb for the reason.

 

[Sawyer]

Agreed and agreed, though some of the books had stopped being pure awesome before then, Ultimate was still the best most cohesive thing around, evidenced by how strongly it is referenced in the Marvel Universe that caused this show to happen in the first place. and Tim Kring didn't manage to ruin the first season of his own show, and was persuaded to not do his idea for the second season and instead went with Loeb and Alexander's stale impotent ideas. As soon as they were fired, the show got immensely better, but it was too late then. If Loeb and Alexander had been fired sooner, the show might still be on today.

Fortunately, Loeb doesn't have power, he can be out voted by the Whedon clan at a moment's notice. He knows he's just there to add to the things he can take credit for because he didn't have the power to ruin them.

Nice bit of hyperbole there. The show never got better.

 

[Xeno]

Nice bit of hyperbole there. The show never got better.

Heroes stopped getting worse after Loeb's reign of error was ended. That counts as a small victory.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't like Loeb, but the problem with Heroes was Tim Kring from the start, imo. I could tell that show was in trouble from the pilot, tbh. It's why I didn't watch beyond the pilot until the hype machine kicked into high gear as the 1st season went on, and even then, I never thought the actual quality of the show ever lived up to that hype. It had ONE great episode ("Company Man") thanks to Bryan Fuller, but the rest of it never rose above "decent" to me, and more often than not, just plain fell flat. The show was always plagued with the problem of having their worst writer on staff also being their showrunner.

 

[Sawyer]

I honestly wonder how much Loeb's downturn as a writer has stemmed from personal matters. Because honestly, I think he was putting out some pretty good comics before his son passed away. Looking at The Long Halloween compared to his Ultimates and it's like, is this even the same writer?

 

[jonathancrane]

I honestly wonder how much Loeb's downturn as a writer has stemmed from personal matters. Because honestly, I think he was putting out some pretty good comics before his son passed away. Looking at The Long Halloween compared to his Ultimates and it's like, is this even the same writer?

I have wondered that as well.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I've noticed in general most writers are much better when they actually have to try to make a name for themselves and have less projects going on.

I feel this with 99.9% of writers in general. Most don't remain consistently great

 

[Mr. Dent]

Loeb's DC writing has always just been better than his Marvel writing...which is why I wish he'd just go back there.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Spider-man blue was fantastic

 

[Mr. Dent]

That's an overrated series imo.

 

[Crimson King]

This gives me hope for my "Ms. Marvel/Kree story will come out of AoS" theory coming true.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2013/09/03/marvels-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-fall-preview/

A new roundtable interview with the cast of ABC's "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." aired as part of the network's "Fall Preview Special," featuring the cast giving just a teeny bit more insight into their characters and the ever-expanding Marvel Cinematic Universe. The biggest reveal had to be Clark Gregg saying that this S.H.I.E.L.D. task force plans to deal with threats from "this world and several others."

 

[Mr. Dent]

I don't think Marvel will be making any spin-off character movies before they appear in their own movie for a while. First time we see Carol will be in her own movie or an Avengers sequel...probably an Avengers sequel. I wouldn't rule out seeing Mar-Vell at least but they'd have to cast an actor who can go between movies and TV and he'll probably have to show up in Guardians 2.

 

[Crimson King]

I don't think Marvel will be making any spin-off character movies before they appear in their own movie for a while. First time we see Carol will be in her own movie or an Avengers sequel...probably an Avengers sequel. I wouldn't rule out seeing Mar-Vell at least but they'd have to cast an actor who can go between movies and TV and he'll probably have to show up in Guardians 2.

I think it works because it strengthens the ties between SHIELD and the MCU. I'd rather have Ms. Marvel get her own movie in Phase 3, but this scenario works too.

 

[marcvader]

Fingers crossed for a Dr. Lawson.