Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - Part 6

[cherokeesam]

Loki isn't The Clairvoyant for one simple reason: Tom Hiddleston doesn't do television unless it's Shakespeare/Dickens fare on BBC. He's proud of his Loki character: he's not going to sully that by dragging him through the mud of AOS.

Plus, he's sitting on the throne of Asgard. He doesn't give a crap about Midgard now.

 

[bigdaddy313]

I think the Clairvoyant has something to do with Hydra and Aim. Skye was experimented on when she was a baby and it would kind of makes sense if she turns out to be Jessica Drew at the end even if she doesn't know it yet.

I knew that the agent wasn't her mother and after last weeks episode clarifying that and the fact that the baby is a subject of an experiment that gained powers, it kinda made me think that she is Jessica Drew and the Clairvoyant is part of the new Hydra and Aim.

That would be interesting, what do you guys think of that?

 

[The Shrike]

Lizzy Braddock belongs to FOX.

Yeah, you're right, here's the full list:

20th Century Fox

Fantastic Four:

Doctor Doom/Victor von Doom, Human Torch/Johnny Storm, Invisible Woman/Susan Storm, Mr. Fantastic/Dr. Reed Richards, The Thing/Ben Grimm, Nova/Frankie Raye, Alicia Masters, Willie Lumpkin

X-Men Mutants:

[Agent Zero/Maverick/David North], Angel/Warren Worthington III, Arclight/Phillippa Sontag, Beast/Dr. Henry Phillip “Hank” McCoy, [Blob/Frederick J. Dukes], [Bolt/Christopher Bradley], Callisto, Colossus/Piotr Nikolaievitch Rasputin, Cyclops/Scott Summers, [Deadpool/Wade Wilson], Emma (Grace) Frost, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Juggernaut/Cain Marko, Gambit/Remy LeBeau, Glob Herman/Herman Gardner, Iceman/Bobby Drake, Jubilee/Jubilation Lee, Katherine “Kitty” Anne Pryde, [Kestrel/John Wraith], Lady Deathstrike/Yuriko Oyama, Leech, Magneto/Erik Magnus Lehnsherr, Mastermind/Jason (Wyngarde), Multiple Man/James Arthur Madrox, Mystique/Raven Darkholme, Nightcrawler/Kurt Wagner, Phat/William Robert “Billy-Bob” Reilly, Professor Charles Xavier, Psylocke/Elizabeth “Betsy” Braddock, Pyro/St. John Allerdyce, Quill/Max Jordan, Rogue/(Anna) Marie, Sabretooth/Victor Creed, Sebastian Hiram Shaw, [Silver Fox], Siryn/Theresa Rourke Cassidy, (The) Spike, Storm/Ororo Munroe, Wolverine/Logan

X-Men Non-Mutants:

Drake Family (Steven, Madeline, Ronny), Grey Family (Dr. John, Elaine), Henry Peter Gyrich, Robert Edward Kelly, Dr. Moira Kinross MacTaggert, Dr. Kavita Rao, William Stryker, Bolivar Trask, Warren Worthington II

Sony Pictures

Ghost Rider:

Ghost Rider/Johnny Blaze, Blackheart/Legion, Phantom Rider/Carter Slade, Abigor, Gressil, Mephistopheles, Wallow, Barton Blaze, Roxanne Simpson

Spider-Man: Spider-Man/Peter Parker, Doctor Octopus/Otto Octavius, Green Goblin/Norman Osborn, (New) Green Goblin/Harry Osborn, [The Lizard]/Dr. Curt Connors, Sandman/Flint Marko, Venom/Eddie Brock Jr., Betty Brant, Dennis Carradine (Buglar), J. Jonah Jameson, Ben Parker, May Parker, John Jameson, Joseph “Robbie” Robertson, Gwen Stacy, Mendel Stromm, Flash Thompson

With the Punisher, Blade, and Daredevil (+Electra?) character rights going back to Marvel, I think that's all that's left.

 

[The Shrike]

Since everyone is guessing about who Skye is, and/or what her powers are, in addition to who the Clairvoyant is, why not a connection between the two:

Skye is Camilla Black aka: Scorpion, also, and the Clairvoyant is her mother Monica Rappaccini

 

[wobbly]

Yeah, you're right, here's the full list:

20th Century Fox

Fantastic Four:

Doctor Doom/Victor von Doom, Human Torch/Johnny Storm, Invisible Woman/Susan Storm, Mr. Fantastic/Dr. Reed Richards, The Thing/Ben Grimm, Nova/Frankie Raye, Alicia Masters, Willie Lumpkin

X-Men Mutants:

[Agent Zero/Maverick/David North], Angel/Warren Worthington III, Arclight/Phillippa Sontag, Beast/Dr. Henry Phillip “Hank” McCoy, [Blob/Frederick J. Dukes], [Bolt/Christopher Bradley], Callisto, Colossus/Piotr Nikolaievitch Rasputin, Cyclops/Scott Summers, [Deadpool/Wade Wilson], Emma (Grace) Frost, Jean Grey/Phoenix, Juggernaut/Cain Marko, Gambit/Remy LeBeau, Glob Herman/Herman Gardner, Iceman/Bobby Drake, Jubilee/Jubilation Lee, Katherine “Kitty” Anne Pryde, [Kestrel/John Wraith], Lady Deathstrike/Yuriko Oyama, Leech, Magneto/Erik Magnus Lehnsherr, Mastermind/Jason (Wyngarde), Multiple Man/James Arthur Madrox, Mystique/Raven Darkholme, Nightcrawler/Kurt Wagner, Phat/William Robert “Billy-Bob” Reilly, Professor Charles Xavier, Psylocke/Elizabeth “Betsy” Braddock, Pyro/St. John Allerdyce, Quill/Max Jordan, Rogue/(Anna) Marie, Sabretooth/Victor Creed, Sebastian Hiram Shaw, [Silver Fox], Siryn/Theresa Rourke Cassidy, (The) Spike, Storm/Ororo Munroe, Wolverine/Logan

X-Men Non-Mutants:

Drake Family (Steven, Madeline, Ronny), Grey Family (Dr. John, Elaine), Henry Peter Gyrich, Robert Edward Kelly, Dr. Moira Kinross MacTaggert, Dr. Kavita Rao, William Stryker, Bolivar Trask, Warren Worthington II

Sony Pictures

Ghost Rider:

Ghost Rider/Johnny Blaze, Blackheart/Legion, Phantom Rider/Carter Slade, Abigor, Gressil, Mephistopheles, Wallow, Barton Blaze, Roxanne Simpson

Spider-Man: Spider-Man/Peter Parker, Doctor Octopus/Otto Octavius, Green Goblin/Norman Osborn, (New) Green Goblin/Harry Osborn, [The Lizard]/Dr. Curt Connors, Sandman/Flint Marko, Venom/Eddie Brock Jr., Betty Brant, Dennis Carradine (Buglar), J. Jonah Jameson, Ben Parker, May Parker, John Jameson, Joseph “Robbie” Robertson, Gwen Stacy, Mendel Stromm, Flash Thompson

With the Punisher, Blade, and Daredevil (+Electra?) character rights going back to Marvel, I think that's all that's left.

That list cannot be complete as we know Fox have access to mutants created after the deal was made (Darwin, Angel Salvatore etc) and others not mentioned (Thunderbird/Warpath, Blink etc), so I think pretty much every character assigned as a 'mutant' from the books is theirs to play with.

There's no mention of other Spider-Man villains there either, like the Vulture, Kraven or Rhino etc, or other FF baddies like Anhillus or Diablo etc.

Seems like a basic list of certainties someone has put together, rather than an informed comprehensive list.

 

[Vartha]

How much did they know about the Tesseract when Howard found it on the bottom of the ocean?

I'm not sure they labeled it 0-8-4 because if it was drawn in Odin's hand in a Folklore book someone knew of it already, seeing as the group in Norway protecting it had been around for hundreds of years and knew what it was called.

 

[Vartha]

LADY SIF TO GUEST STAR ON AGENTS OF SHIELD

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...Twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

PLOTZ!!!!!

 

[Silvermoon]

Loki isn't The Clairvoyant for one simple reason: Tom Hiddleston doesn't do television unless it's Shakespeare/Dickens fare on BBC. He's proud of his Loki character: he's not going to sully that by dragging him through the mud of AOS.

Plus, he's sitting on the throne of Asgard. He doesn't give a crap about Midgard now.

http://www.craveonline.com/tv/artic...on-open-to-appearing-on-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d

After the “Hollow Crown” session, the TCA couldn’t help ask Hiddleston if he would be open to reprising his Thor and Avengers role of Loki in an episode of the “S.H.I.E.L.D.” series. Whedon told us yesterday that he would consider asking Marvel movie stars to do episodes if it makes sense for the story. Hiddleston agreed.

“It would be something that would depend upon script and story but yeah, of course,” said Hiddleston..

So Loki is open to causing some more trouble in New York for the new agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and this is not just open speculation. Hiddleston is in the inner circle of Marvel and crossed paths with Whedon over just this very subject at Comic-Con this summer.

“I’ve spoken to him about it,” noted Hiddleston.

 

[cherokeesam]

http://www.craveonline.com/tv/artic...on-open-to-appearing-on-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d

Like I said, Tom loves the character and wouldn't sully Loki by dragging him through the mud of AOS.

Until the show gets better writers and scripts, I don't see him going for the kind of scripts we've seen so far. Let alone something as inane as secretly playing with a group of puny mortals like Centipede.

 

[Vartha]

Like I was mentioning in the Thor threads, there HAS to be more than the Frost Beast wandering around the alleys of London after the Convergence with all those portholes to the other realms open, there would more than likely be things left behind from other worlds.
I'm betting Sif could be retrieving the Berserker Staff.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm not sure they labeled it 0-8-4 because if it was drawn in Odin's hand in a Folklore book someone knew of it already, seeing as the group in Norway protecting it had been around for hundreds of years and knew what it was called.

They may not have *had* the 084 designation, or the system including it, yet. It was retrieved not long after WWII, after all.

 

[Vartha]

They may not have *had* the 084 designation, or the system including it, yet. It was retrieved not long after WWII, after all.

What I'm saying is, the Tesseract really isn't UNKNOWN.
Odin left it with that group in Norway, they KNEW what it was called and Odin knew at the TIME because of the lack of technology it was safe hidden on Earth.
It wasn't until after Hydra got to it in the 40's, that it wasn't safe on Earth anymore.

EDIT: the tesseract would have another designation in other words because it's NOT an unknown object. We just didn't know how to access it powers without destroying everything lol

 

[Silvermoon]

Like I said, Tom loves the character and wouldn't sully Loki by dragging him through the mud of AOS.

Until the show gets better writers and scripts, I don't see him going for the kind of scripts we've seen so far. Let alone something as inane as secretly playing with a group of puny mortals like Centipede.

And that's where difference of opinion comes in. With the show where it is now, you (and others) think it would be dragging through the mud, I don't (and I imagine many others don't either). We don't know what Tom thinks of the show at this point (if he's keeping up with it - which he might not be able to given his schedule). True, he might feel it's not up to it's potential yet like some of you, or he might be enjoying it like a lot of us and can't wait for the Whedon's/Marvel to give him a call. We don't know, and beyond what he's said in interviews, we can't speak for him

edit: I'm not saying I agree with the theory that he's the Clairvoyant (I don't think he is), that he's behind what's going on currently in the show, or that he'll even make an appearance in this season. Just saying that *if* he were to show up, I wouldn't feel it out of place (if that makes sense)

 

[metaphysician]

Things Loki wants:

1. The respect of his father and/or brother

2. Revenge on his father and/or brother

3. To rule, either Asgard or somewhere else, as a means to achieve 1 and/or 2

Centipede wouldn't get him 1. It certainly wouldn't help him conquer Asgard, which is moot now anyway. It wouldn't help him get revenge on Odin. The only things left are "revenge on Thor" ( by attacks on those he cares about ), and "conquer Earth".

After Thor 2, I seriously doubt he'd actually want to do something as petty as random assassination attempts on Jane, and even if he did? Far, far easier ways to do such than Centipede, which spends all its time making superhumans that would be useless against Thor and unnecessary for killing ordinary humans by surprise. As for conquering the world, call me skeptical, but I don't think Centipede has any good odds on doing so.

 

[cph9fa]

Since everyone is guessing about who Skye is, and/or what her powers are, in addition to who the Clairvoyant is, why not a connection between the two:

Skye is Camilla Black aka: Scorpion, also, and the Clairvoyant is her mother Monica Rappaccini

Interesting idea. When I came up with the Carmilla Black theory back in October, it was the result of thinking that Reina might be Rappaccini, (and that the Clairvoyant might be MODOK). At any rate, so far, everyone's referred to the Clairvoyant as 'he'.

 

[The Question]

Like I said, Tom loves the character and wouldn't sully Loki by dragging him through the mud of AOS.

Until the show gets better writers and scripts, I don't see him going for the kind of scripts we've seen so far. Let alone something as inane as secretly playing with a group of puny mortals like Centipede.

Your premise implies that the Thor movies were better written than Agents of SHIELD. I see no evidence of this.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The articles about Jaimie Alexander's upcoming appearances had some interesting remarks from ABC President Paul Lee regarding AOS's ratings and the rest of the season. Lee acknowledged that the show has struggled ratings-wise as well as artistically. He said that the show will be more serialized from here on out, so it's clear that the shortcomings of the episodic procedural format have been recognized.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01...as-thors-lady-sif-on-marvels-agents-of-shield

It's a good idea they're finally leaning that way although several of us here suggested this a long time ago. The episodic style REALLY doesn't get it done for me these days.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Those comments sound promising. Like I have been saying for a while, a show will struggle early on. Almost all of them do. It is rare that season 1 is the best season of ANY show. Everyone early on is discovering the characters and the world. This groundwork needs laid down before you can open it up. Last 2 episodes were far better from the show's earlier ones. I think they're beginning to find a formula that will work. It's been bumpy, but I still have faith in this show.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is one of my favorite shows. As is Angel. Season 1 of both shows were good, but nothing special. It wasn't until the 2nd and 3rd seasons of both those shows that it hit their peaks. Same I think will hold true for Agents of SHIELD.

 

[Shikamaru]

So is it true that we'll only get 2 new episodes per month from now on? I checked the date for next episode and it is February 4th.

If that is true, that makes me really upset. The show finally gets good and picks up pace only for it to not air as often?

 

[Quasimod0]

So is it true that we'll only get 2 new episodes per month from now on? I checked the date for next episode and it is February 4th.

If that is true, that makes me really upset. The show finally gets good and picks up pace only for it to not air as often?

I'm not sure why they are going on break again. But I don't think it will be a regular thing.

 

[The Question]

It's because of the winter Olympics, isn't it?

 

[Human Torch]

I think Tom would be happy to be on the show,the only problem would be getting it to line up with what's going on in the movies right now.But,it klnda makes sense in a way to bring Coulson's story full circle . Of course,the other problem is,most laymen would be expecting Thor to show up,which is even more unlikely. They could always have the Warrors Three deal with Loki in the short term ,I suppose.

 

[Crimson King]

Your premise implies that the Thor movies were better written than Agents of SHIELD. I see no evidence of this.

The evidence was Thor 1 and 2. Both were better written. AoS writing is a level below anything in the MCU.

Edit: Just to clarify, I don't think either Thor film was all that great from a writing standpoint. However, they're both far and away better than AoS.

 

[Shikamaru]

Despite both Thor films being average IMO, I'd take both of them over Agents of SHIELD at the moment.

 

[Quasimod0]

It's because of the winter Olympics, isn't it?

That would make sense. Just didn't know when that was airing.